Coilovers

[shimizu_17]

megan racing or form and function ftw

Megans are fine for most people, but for serious track performance megans will not cut it, gotta pay to play. Koni yellows/ground control is nice, ohlin if you can find a nice used set.

There are a lot of good suggestions like silkroad, cusco, yashio factory, KW, etc. etc. you will probably be happy if you get any of those.

[White Comet]

megan racing or form and function ftw

[Chris28]

Hey ddgsxr504 I have Sustec Pro Type II's. I daily and them and they are really nice, as I said before make the car feel firmly planted but they don't feel as harsh as other coils I've ridden on. If you want to be slammed don't get them, I wish I had another inch of travel up front but sadly I don't.

I have Tanabe sway bars front and back as well, and they are quite beefy and do their job well. One complaint is that up front one side's sway bar bushing (one that goes around the bar, on the bracket) doesn't fit. I'm thinking the previous owner had it off one day and lost the Tanabe supplied one, so I had to cut my stock one to fit. Other than that I'm pretty happy with them.

[ztunelover]

well i would like some on site adjustability. i dont think the koni yellow ground control offers damping and rebound adjustment.

and for the list i think you forgot moton.

[PHeller]

Koni's are so damn good your set and it and forget it.

If you really need all of those adjustments, don't you think the auto-x guys would have gotten that by now?

Nope, they deal without because ya know what? They are faster on Koni's than just about anything else out there, with a few exceptions.

top adjustment knobs be damned.

[Xj220gt]

I love my JIC coils, but they are way too rough for the streets where I live..... I ended up switching over to agx and s-tech...... sad day for me.

Anyways, I have heard a lot about the ground control setups, but I have not heard about how they ride. any comments on that?

[eidk]

See i have heard so much of koni yellows (what springs?) and ground control sleeves. But how do they ride on the street? which coilovers aren't you able to fit a bigger tire? So how big of a tire can you fit with koni? Also what about camber settings?

[PHeller]

With GC's you can get different springs rates, so depends on your application. Since Koni's probably have the best valving of any of the sub-$1500 setups we've mentioned, you can run lower springs rates (better ride quality), and the low compression dampening of the out-of-the-box Koni Sports will be comfortable on the street. Many companies go much firmer on compression dampening on their setups and that leads to blown shocks, or crappy ride on anything but smooth roads.

Run too tight of compression, and your going to lose as much grip as you will without it. You'll essentially bounce of the road surface as opposed to gripping it.

Rebound is just that, how quickly the tire returns to the ground. Very quick rebound will provide good traction over rough or uneven surfaces, but it makes the ride feel jarring, so you slow it down for better ride quality.

Anyway, you can have tons of rebound dampening, which many of the current coilover offerings have, but if you blow the compression damping in the first year, then your sacrificing much more than you'll gain back with all those adjustment. Many guys in the auto-x world will tell ya, Koni sports don't need tons of adjustment because your either performance or your street, set it and forget it.

Koni builds a quality strut that will last thousands of miles over some of the most gruesome street applications, combine that with some stiffer springs and quality coils, and I think it's hard to beat.

[ztunelover]

QUOTE=PHeller]Koni's are so damn good your set and it and forget it.

If you really need all of those adjustments, don't you think the auto-x guys would have gotten that by now?

Nope, they deal without because ya know what? They are faster on Koni's than just about anything else out there, with a few exceptions.

top adjustment knobs be damned.[/QUOTE]

do they now? it seems im sadly misinformed. would i need the damping adjustments for bigger tracks tho? Because i know VIR and buttonwillow cannot be run properly on the exact same suspension setup.

but ya i just might go for the konis then? so its which ones the yelow units with ground control right? ill look up on them a bit more then.

[PHeller]

It's my understanding that the effective adjustments of Koni's are far superior in their price range than to others.

I don't know enough about Stance, and I've never seen anyone compare similar priced Stance vs Koni, but I think the fact that Koni's can be revalved just about anywhere would sell me.

Or it could be that Stance is just so similarly priced that searching around for a used set is worth it.

I look at it this way, what's the setup the fastest 240SX guys are running in the USA? J-Rho's winning auto-x machine had Koni's, and that was said to be the fastest 240SX on a tight course. Outside of that, I get lost.

Another reason I'd go with Koni's is that you could pick up the inserts and stuff now, run them, and go with the Ground Control kit later on. That's what I plan on doing. For only $200 over what you'd spend for KYB AGX, you'll get a nice riding, nice handling, mostly stock setup for the time being. If you wanted to sell them, you could probably still get $80 a shock. In today's economy, I like not having to drop a ton of money all at once. Hell, I may get the fronts first and the rears after a few months.
Modified by PHeller at 10:49 AM 2/21/2009

[shimizu_17]

hit up veilside180sx I think he fabs up a nice set of koni yellows with his own housings or something.

http://nissanroadracing.com/vbulletin/index.php

[hbpignosePA]

well i would like some on site adjustability. i dont think the koni yellow ground control offers damping and rebound adjustment.

and for the list i think you forgot moton.

koni has a huge racing history

fronts have a knob you insert into the top of the struts to adjust on the fly

the rears are a pain in the a** since you gotta take the strut out, compress it by hand and turn to tighten

i have had this setup for a year and i love it (oo my koni's are paired w RSRs

ill probably eventually get GC sleeves, but for now thats all you need for auto x and light track duty. coils are way overrated. build your own set with sleeves for under 1500 and be happy to know yours are far better than any entry coils to boot

[Kalypso]

i have had this setup for a year and i love it (oo my koni's are paired w RSRsill probably eventually get GC sleeves,

what are rsr's and GC sleeves,

I asked this question earlier about making custom coilovers but no one knew the answer.

but for now thats all you need for auto x and light track duty. coils are way overrated. build your own set with sleeves for under 1500 and be happy to know yours are far better than any entry coils to boot

can you also adjust ride height?

can you explain what goes into a custom shock setup starting with koni yellows?

[ztunelover]

i can also get the lower forked bottom thing for the back too right? cuz i am doing z32 uprights eventually.

[hbpignosePA]

oo, well RSR's are just springs; pretty stiff with a decent drop for lowering springs.

GC sleeves are threaded like coils. just do a google search and you can get an idea of what im talking about. you will also need a pillowball mount for the fronts to adjust camber.

sleeves are height adjustable while my setup with the RSRs are one height

[ztunelover]

so rsr's are good? i was thinking about the eibachs if i did the koni unit. im guessing those are good springs cuz eibachs in f1. i was thinking spring rates roughly around 8kg front 6kg back or maybe 7kg back. or is that too stiff?yikes so apparently the JIC are not supposed to be any good according to that link. nope i think i just might head towards either a set of konis
Modified by ztunelover at 1:42 PM 2/22/2009

[YOUNG240SX]

megans are if you on a budget and still want kill a$$

also stance are pretty good band i see tons of people rocking

[SleepyHB]

I'm thinking about getting these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ories

max drop are -1.8 front, and -2.2 rear, these are not low enough to make my car look slam, does it? I got 18' and 15' sets of wheels, s13.

[White Comet]

why is it that everytime you click to enlarge a pic, it shows a spring kit and not a coilover kit?

[ztunelover]

thats pretty cheap. but i always wondered why ppl rock teins? in all honesty they kinda suck. thats what ive noticed out of most of the supras that have them. They are way too hard and their damping is pretty bad.

[95silvia14]

lets put it this way most of the stuff on that list from the autox thing is expensive.

i payed 6500 for my ohlins for my 14 ill admit that they where the best thing i ever drove on but if your not taking your car to road atl, vir, sebring...ect there not really worth it

[SleepyHB]

It was those tein's basic or KTS, thought I save myself couple hundred bucks.

[ztunelover]

i know ultimately it wont be cheap at all, but i will track this car, i need setup data later on. everything im doing to this car, and possibly a second car i buy would be test mule data essentially, everything. suspension, aero, engine, weight management(balance). All this data will help me sort out the r32 because hell im spending massive amounts of time and money into that. might as well do this the right way and gather as much field data i can. my 240sx is there for that exact reason, gather all the data i can for the gtr. hell i dont even know how much my sachs damper eibach spring combo will cost me because i know my setup will be very similar hardware wise as what nismo used for the z-tune.

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...06627

and i quote the report for those that cant be bothered to read. "Along with its reinforced chassis, this GT-R also gets specially tuned, race-spec Sachs three-way adjustable dampers. At $20,000 a set, they deliver a ride quality unheard of in a car this hard-core." no with that kind of money i really dont have any margin of error on the gtr. thats why i need all the r&d done before that car rolls out. granted it will be a good few years before it sees the daylight, but the more time i have to gater as much research as i can the better.

20 grand?!!!!!!

and if anyone is willing to share data with me it will be much appreciated.

oh and 95 is there a less expensive variant of the ohlins? i would like lighter than stock units withe full adjustability. and yes i will most certainly be tracking the car a lot.

[95silvia14]

yea but i couldnt tell you the price on them mine where 2way but yea im sure they prolly have a cheaper variant of them

[ztunelover]

damn ohlins and sachs. why are their dampers so damn expensive?

so was it 6500 for the coilover or just the dampers?

can you give me recommendetions then? i cant really afford coils of that much money. i know motons arent much cheaper, im pretty sure they are good, but damn man those are 5 grand. im not trying to cheap out or anything. but my gtr isnt leaving much on the side.

penskes i dunno anything about them cept theres a lot of racing goin on for them. sachs. i know half of f1 if not more uses them. ohlins is probably the most popular touring damper so that makes sense too.

so i guess im back to konis. so they can be revalved? how much does koni charge for it to be revalved? and im hitting up the tech pages to see. i really need to try out everything in this budget to get all the data.

[95silvia14]

Yea in that case i would go with konis and sleeves also look into bilstin

but the ohlins were 6500 for the coilover set up

[PHeller]

Have you ever been on track or to an event?

If you haven't, you should really just take you stock car, or maybe mild suspension (springs/shocks) and some better pads, and have it at it.

At anywhere between $150 and $400 for a track event, you'll want to first see what it's all about before you go dropping 5 grand on a car that may never see the track.

Too many paper racers and not enough drivers out there.

[95silvia14]

aint that the truth. especially if you are thinking of tracking the gtr dont waste the money on expensive stuff for the sx when ur just going to do it on the 3-2

[ztunelover]

well ya and ill get a good idea o how to tune the suspension to perfection if i get some track data.

[Kalypso]

oo, well RSR's are just springs; pretty stiff with a decent drop for lowering springs.

GC sleeves are threaded like coils. just do a google search and you can get an idea of what im talking about. you will also need a pillowball mount for the fronts to adjust camber.

sleeves are height adjustable while my setup with the RSRs are one height

like this!?



awesome... now im intrigued... with the sleeves can these slam low like any set of coils!?

my world is opened.