Why Nissan?? Why the 350z and not the s15 or Skyline??

[AREITU]

I figured there's no way an auto E55 can run low 12's...

Yes those are hoosiers. Who wants to host the large pic?

[krazy skwerel]

Well, it's late, I'm tired, I love the Z and every freakin Nissan ever. I'm sorry I pulled everyone's chain, but, I just had to create the most useless discussion on the forums. Thanks for your participation

[creophus]

what he said, and honestly what about the mustang IS sporty? if you say v8 im gonna laugh

Well, I've done some driving of the mustang. I was gonna get one before I got my 240. I personally didn't like the handling and the feel of the mustang...but, make no mistake, its very sporty.

Here's what I mean when I say its sporty: It has nice sport styling, it has very sporty performance, and its designed from the ground up to be a sports car. Regardless of whether you like Ford, domestics or whatever, the mustang is in fact a sports car. To take it one step further, if it weren't for the mustang, there wouldn't be a lot of other sports cars out there. Even if you hate the car, you must recognize that its a bench mark that many other manufacturers measure they're sports cars. Regardless of what you go out and get (S14, S15, 350Z, EVO, STI, etc.) If you ever run up on a GT or ...heaven forbid... a Cobra you're not gonna walk away from it like it was a slow piece of junk.

Now you might be ready to scream about archaic technology or specific output or price/performance ratio, and I won't disagree with that. Remember I drove a couple and I decided against getting one. That doesn't mean the car is worthless. What it does mean is that the mustang just wasn't for me. But its good that the mustang is out there because it give other companies a big target to shoot at. Competition is good for the consumer and regardless of whether you love it or hate it, the mustang is a sports car.

Bottom line: If you don't like it, don't get one. But don't disrespect it because you don't like it.

[Zeratul]

as far as i know, the only skyline you can purchase in the US without importing is that horrible looking/slow one. the good ones have to be imported :/no ignorance intended, but jesus it was toned way down for the US and made uglllyyyyi'd like to have a 350Z myself, or an S15 for that matter. i plan on importing one after college though :O

[Mr1der]

G35 is the skyline, just not a GT-R. GT-R seems to be the ONLY Skyline to a lot of people...

no WAY is it an ugly car, take that haterade somewhere else son!

same goes for you goobers blasting the mustang, people always talk about the V6 too, what about that horrid 4 cylinder from the 80's? HUH HUH? yeah, that's what I thought...

[Zeratul]

the new skyline is the v35, jamesg35 is infiniti:o?

and i'd take an r33 gt-s as well

[MasterMan]

must... not... comment...

[hatebobbarker]

skyline=g35 v35 is the chassis code for both cars and they are damn enar identical(japan has slower motors as options and is rhd) i have the japanese skyline brochure, go ahead challenge me.

[JustinStrife]

I'm gonna throw one out here.

the G35 is ugly. Same as the 350z. Give me an S15 or a Skyline(GT-S or GT-R) anyday...

I don't like bubbly bodies. I like streamlined. I like more straight lines then big curves. I'm not into the space age crap. Like the interiors of the new Ford 05' Mustangs and their new F150's. Crap.

[Mr1der]

isn't it fun getting the brochures for the car you own? I'd like to find a canadian T Bird one to match the dealer brochure I got off ebay for a few bucks...

yeah Dustin, the whole Skyline/G35 thing has been brought up before and proven it's the same car, just different badging and name...

have you looked at the sticky for the history of the skyline? it's pretty cool...

I like the cab design of the F150, it's setup to feel more like a car and I see that as a big plus. The manual is supposed to have a shorter console mounted shifter too...but yeah, the whole space age thing is annoying, I wish we still had metal dashes and just the small pad space, less to have to restore:D

[SeVa-S13]

Creophus, I was in now way disrespecting the entire Mustang line and heritage, God knows there are some absolutley insane vehicles that bear that name...but for under 20k, you're looking at a V6 model. 190hp, sloppy suspension, base styling (which, to me, looks far from sporty...think about - who do you see driving these cars? 16-30 year old females) and Ford reliability.

Now I must admit that the first car I wanted was 91 GT. They just look and sound hardcore, it's great. But that's where this comes into play, "Muscle" and "Sports" are two different ideas. Old school '69 Yenko Camaro with the orgasmic 427? Muscle. Porsche 911 GT3? Sports. Sure a GT will beat a 240 from stoplight to stoplight, but even with the 100hp advantage, put them on a track and the story will be very different...

[AREITU]

Creophus, I was in now way disrespecting the entire Mustang line and heritage, God knows there are some absolutley insane vehicles that bear that name...but for under 20k, you're looking at a V6 model. 190hp, sloppy suspension, base styling (which, to me, looks far from sporty...think about - who do you see driving these cars? 16-30 year old females) and Ford reliability.

Now I must admit that the first car I wanted was 91 GT. They just look and sound hardcore, it's great. But that's where this comes into play, "Muscle" and "Sports" are two different ideas. Old school '69 Yenko Camaro with the orgasmic 427? Muscle. Porsche 911 GT3? Sports. Sure a GT will beat a 240 from stoplight to stoplight, but even with the 100hp advantage, put them on a track and the story will be very different...

IMO, the last good mustang was built in 1972.

I admit, I like the looks and sexy sounds of the current New Age mustang, but the chassis dynamics and ergonomics are left over from...well, 1972.

[Mr1der]

the last really good one was built in '00

Cobra R = race car:D

it looks kinda funny though...

[Zeratul]

well i learned something new today. i thought the new skyline was the v35. so both the skyline and g35 are the same? that's pretty crazy. Quote »I'm gonna throw one out here.

the G35 is ugly. Same as the 350z. Give me an S15 or a Skyline(GT-S or GT-R) anyday...[/quote]Agreed :O although i like the 350z :/

[hatebobbarker]

when i get home from work ill list off the trim levels

[cory2081]

Creophus, I was in now way disrespecting the entire Mustang line and heritage, God knows there are some absolutley insane vehicles that bear that name...but for under 20k, you're looking at a V6 model. 190hp, sloppy suspension, base styling (which, to me, looks far from sporty...think about - who do you see driving these cars? 16-30 year old females) and Ford reliability.

Now I must admit that the first car I wanted was 91 GT. They just look and sound hardcore, it's great. But that's where this comes into play, "Muscle" and "Sports" are two different ideas. Old school '69 Yenko Camaro with the orgasmic 427? Muscle. Porsche 911 GT3? Sports. Sure a GT will beat a 240 from stoplight to stoplight, but even with the 100hp advantage, put them on a track and the story will be very different...

Just want to focus on the "Ford reliabilty" The new "modular" V8's from Ford are VERY reliable. I didn't have a single problem out of mine for 130,000 miles. I didn't drive the car lightly either. From the drag strip, to street races, to going from Atlanta to Greenville in 1 hour (speeds up to 130MPH), and doing crazy stuff like just pegging the speedo (150MPH) on the highway for fun. These engines do have a long timing chain for the cams......and it lasts the life of the engine (which is more than I can say for Nissan) Mine never leaked oil (which is more than I can say for my 240, the front seal already needed replacing) I didn't have bushings wear out (240 needs TC Rod bushings BAD, gotta pick them up tomorrow) The fact is, ALL cars have their own little problems here and there. You just have to live with it, I know some cars are just total junk (Pinto, Vega, older GM 4 bangers, etc.) but, the Mustang is far from unreliable. Back to my point about 350Zs being for sale.....look up "2003 350Z" and "2003 Cobra" on ebaymotors. I think you'll see what I mean not that it matters, it just supports my beleif that SOME people MAYBE dissatisfied with the new Z. It's just a theory......for all of you Z lovers, I hope that I am wrong and that the Z is here to stay......and MAYBE Nissan will bring the Silvia here to directly compete with Mustang sales lol

[Rex]

... I know some cars are just total junk (Pinto, Vega...

AGREED, I had a Vega and it was junk, fill the oil, check the gas.

Back to my point about 350Zs being for sale.....look up "2003 350Z" and "2003 Cobra" on ebaymotors...

Not a REAL (or fair) comparison, as there are several trim levels of the 350Z and you're selecting 1 specific trim level of the Mustang, but your point <both cars have a "fair" amount avaiable on ebay> is not necessarily indicative of an unhappy customer. There is a number of each being offered with little to no miles as the dealers are trying to take advantage of buyers in markets that have more demand than supply.

I think all in all we can THANK Ralph Nader for the lack of affordable Sports/Performance cars.

[hatebobbarker]

your still not paying attention!the 350z is selling en masse, this summer there were already more Zs sold then supras in all its years of production. its perfectly natural for some people to sell them, it doesnt make it a bad car. theres people who cant afford what they buy theres others who end up needing more then a 2 seater, theres ones that sell them for g35s.im selling my g35 not because its a bad car, but because i want a skyline GTR much more.theres not as many cobras as 350zs, howbout you do some real research: find out how many cobras sold to this date, and how many 350zs. check autotrader online and see how many are being sold of each, then adjust the ratio to account for the smaller amount of cobras. btw dont forget about the convertible versions of each.

and stop begging for the silvia, its out of production there hasnt even been a peep about it being brought back. for them to bring the car over they haveto produce it first. its been gone over in length in this thread about the silvias discontiuance. do you just have nothing better to do?everythign youve said has been put to bed, now let the thread die

[hatebobbarker]

THANK Ralph Nader for the lack of affordable Sports/Performance cars.

AMEN!!!!!!!

[MaineExport]

I would certainly agree that the 350Z is slower than it should be. I was surprised that it was a bit doggish off the line and not a real thrill ride in the acceleration department.

However, it would hand a mustang it's own a$$ in the corners. I had the 350 I drove doing 90 degree corners at 60 MPH or more. Body roll just doens't seem to exist in the new Z car. And it held the road better than anything I can remember driving..... ever. I've been in a handful of Porshes 944s, and it felt more secure and sure footed than those. Right from the factory it had better handling characteristics than most auto-x and hillclimb prepped cars I've driven. I was very pleasantly surprised to see that they had done such good work with it in that regard.

[cory2081]

After some searching, I found that 13,476 Cobras were made in 2003. I cannot find numbers on the Z, it probably is higher though. I did stuble across MANY forums where this same arguement is being made (how odd). People comparing cars in the same price range, and alot of them opt for the Cobra b/c of its sheer power and alot of people complaining about the Zs lack of power. I also found out that Ford did the R&D to ensure that the Cobras engine can safely handle 600HP without any problem or premature wear at all. The Cobra is capable of 10's with the stock blower and required a larger blower (Kenne Belle blowzilla, they already have a kit) to run in the 9's. A 10 second Cobra would be totally streetable as it only requires a few bolt ons (pulley, chip, exhaust, injectors, etc) to run that. Here's a lil video of one with a few bolt ons.....

http://www.nvlope.org/_video/cobra1165.mpg

here's just 1 of the discussions I found on this subject

http://www.350zmotoring.com/fo...=1893

Anyway, doesnt matter to me eitherway which car people like best....but I'm not alone when I say the Z is underpowered.

[hatebobbarker]

im not alone when i say any post 72 mustang is crap either. whats your point?thank you for researching though, id still like to know the answers to MY questions.

and why do epople consider them in the same price range. the z is nearly $10k cheaper!

[JustinStrife]

Still ugly. Still prefer Evo or STI

But would prefer Skyline GT-S/GT-R or S15 over all of the above...

[cory2081]

10k cheaper, what the heck are you smokin???? they cost the same. the Cobra is only $31000. Good Lord people. If my comparisons are so lame, why do the magazines compare the 2 cars?? if they arent in the same class, what class is the 350 in?? a class by itself?? ok, I'll play that game, I'll go out on a limb.....for $20,000 the SRT-4 is faster than the Z. how do you like that one??

[MainEvent212]

the 350Z is faster then the 300zx turbo so i dont see the issue...

[MainEvent212]

umm...ok, and? for $12,000 a GSX-R is faster then the Cobra...what's your point?

[AREITU]

10k cheaper, what the heck are you smokin???? they cost the same. the Cobra is only $31000. Good Lord people. If my comparisons are so lame, why do the magazines compare the 2 cars?? if they arent in the same class, what class is the 350 in?? a class by itself?? ok, I'll play that game, I'll go out on a limb.....for $20,000 the SRT-4 is faster than the Z. how do you like that one??

Everyone already knows the SRT-4 is faster than the Z. The SRT-4 is faster than a lot of cars. A week after it came out, someone did a 13 1/4 wiht less than $1000 of mods.

You won't spend $31,000 on an STi (which actually proves my point that you'd never buy it), but you would for a Cobra? You're weird. In SoCal, numerous people buy a much more expensive and slower BMW over the 350Z and Cobra. Out of the six M3s driven by students from my university, I've only counted one new supercharged Cobra, and one older round-ish one driven by the same demographic.

How about I just go buy a $40,000 BMW 330i Performance? It cost more than the Cobra, 350Z and at some point, the G35. It has four doors, dosen't go nearly as fast as the Cobra, a little porkier than the G/Z. Don't think it has as much power either.

[cory2081]

bikes are the biggest bang for the buck of them all, i bet a 350Z cant outhandle that!!!

The 350 is slow,The Cobra jumped off the dyno,The Silvia got the knife,And so did the GTR,So Nissan built something...That just wasn't up to par.Behold the new Z!!It zigs, it zags,Out of the hole...It lags.With faster cars,It shares price tags.That is my story,And I'll stick to it.So feel safe in a Z,B/C it doesn't have enough power to make you lose it!!

(man, people are gonna be pissed about this one, that's ok, it's just b/c they know it's the truth)

[JustinStrife]

Cory you walk on egg shells my friend. Just because I agree with half of your logic doesn't mean I have to like your attitude on here

[hatebobbarker]

he hears "whats your point alot," must ring in his earsive been under the impression the cobra starts at $35k of course fords own website could be wrong... i mean its only FORDS websiteand nissans website says the z starts at $26k $9k sounds pretty close to $10k to me.i saw the mach 1 get compared against the Z and the cobra get compared against my car in car and driver.

so whats your point?and answer my questions!!!! im long past frustrated and you contiue to skip past any point i suceed in making.