Why Nissan?? Why the 350z and not the s15 or Skyline??

[Cold_Zero]

To end this argument,Nissan is too busy selling Altimas in the US to really worry about bringing over the S-15 (which sky has pointed out that was discontinued) and the GTR (which would probably be sold in the US at a genuine sport scar out of the reach of most people.) Since 2002 they have revamped almost all of their entire line up and even added a new crossover (Murano), SUV (Armada) and a full-size truck (Titan), which is a great move for Nissan. SUV's and Trucks sell units here in the US. Is Nissan stupid for worrying about selling cars and trucks and making money? No, if they weren’t worried about this, I would wonder why they made cars.

Now,The Z car has always enjoyed an enthusiast following here in the United States. The concept behind the car has always been the common man's sports car. So why make it out to be more than what it was designed to be?

The G35 is the Skyline. It might not be the GTR-34, but the US got the next incarnation of the Skyline before Japan did. As Fred has pointed out, this is a sports coupe. We have all heard rumors about a Nissan Skyline R-35, which was promised by the President of Nissan. If they come through with it here in the US, it will be cool.

I really think we can put to rest this argument before we start beating a dead horse.

[hatebobbarker]

its long dead.

[Cold_Zero]

After some searching, I found that 13,476 Cobras were made in 2003. I cannot find numbers on the Z, it probably is higher though. I did stuble across MANY forums where this same arguement is being made (how odd). People comparing cars in the same price range, and alot of them opt for the Cobra b/c of its sheer power and alot of people complaining about the Zs lack of power. I also found out that Ford did the R&D to ensure that the Cobras engine can safely handle 600HP without any problem or premature wear at all. The Cobra is capable of 10's with the stock blower and required a larger blower (Kenne Belle blowzilla, they already have a kit) to run in the 9's. A 10 second Cobra would be totally streetable as it only requires a few bolt ons (pulley, chip, exhaust, injectors, etc) to run that. Here's a lil video of one with a few bolt ons.....

Because you and most of America have been duped by the Big 3's savvy marketing, into thinking that power is the most important factor in buying a car. How many times do I have to hear "Does that thing have a Hemi in it" in those retarded commercial? Yes the SRT-4 is a great exercise in this marketing. Take a small car, slap a turbo on it and fly down the road. At the end of the day you are still driving a Neon. It may be faster than some BMW's, but you probably wont get the looks from the girls in it.

People buy cars for different reasons. 1/4 mile racing (drag racing) and pure power is only one aspect of racing. There are other factors when buying a car.

[hatebobbarker]

good point too bad hes just gonna ignore it

[R4v3n]

Since when does exceeding in just 1 type of racing make a car "better" than another?

The Stang is a fast straightline racer, no doubt about it. F*** all your numbers, nobody is argueing with you about that cory. Personally I wouldn't buy one because I like the 350s looks and because I just love Nissan in general. So what, that makes me stupid for buying it? I'm wasting money on a car that is slower in the 1320 than another? Please... Your getting what you pay for, that's why the prices are the way they are. The 20k Neon is fast too, but like it has been said its cheaply made. Of course, thats why you would buy it, because its a cheap race car.

Apples and oranges kid, all these cars excell in different areas and appeal to different buyers. Obviously these people in research are paid good for what they do because a company wouldnt release a car and say F*** it, lets see how it sells. They take into consideration tons of factors that you obviously don't understand and try to end up making a profit. Thats how the business works.

Your not the President of Nissan, nor are you the Pres of Ford little boy. Leave the car building industry to real men and women. Don't hate on any car because of your stupid insignificant opinion, because in the end, you can't run the company any better.

I don't like MB, nor do I like Lexus. Do you see me saying any of their cars suck and everyone should go and buy a Mustang because they are faster in a Drag race? No you don't, and I bet you don't see any of these fine Nissan/Infiniti enthusiasts running around in Ford forums and hating on their stangs. Read that section in NICO about not being a troll kid...

[C-Kwik]

How many times do I have to hear "Does that thing have a Hemi in it" in those retarded commercial?

Hemi, the most overrated term in automotive history. Meni's made their mark when they were released as it was new technology that made more power. The motors that used this technology were referred to as Hemi's. But now, it's rather old technology. Dodge is really just playing off the name recognition. Hemi engines used a hemispherical head shape, which was revolutionary at the time since heads used to be flat. Now we have pentroof designs that are much more efficient and detonation resistant. I can't say for sure if the new Hemi motors use the old technology, but that would be a waste. I think they are just using the name.

[Rex]

From Popular Mechanics it's based on the 99's, so I figure we can find a nice used 1999 Firebird and that should settle everything

Ford F-150 SVT Lightning

Base price: $29,995, Price as tested: $30,600Engine: 5.4L/330.0 CID SOHC 16v supercharged V8HP: 360 @ 4750 rpm, Torque: 440 ft.-lb. @ 3000 rpmTrans: 4A, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.55:1 limited-slip w/9.75-in. ring gearCurb weight: 4670 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 13.0Horsepower per liter: 66.7, Tires: 295/45ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.04 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.34 sec.1/4 mile: 13.62 sec. @ 101.16 mph

Jaguar XJR

Base price: $68,450, Price as tested: $69,060Engine: 4.0L/244.0 CID DOHC 32v supercharged V8HP: 370 @ 6150 rpm, Torque: 387 ft.-lb. @ 3600 rpmTrans: 5A, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.06:1 w/electronic traction controlCurb weight: 4026 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.9Horsepower per liter: 92.5, Tires: 255/40ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.23 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.41 sec.1/4 mile: 13.62 sec. @ 104.21 mph

Ford Mustang Cobra

Base price: $27,995, Price as tested: $28,190Engine: 4.6-liter/280.0 cu.-in. DOHC 32v V8HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 317 ft.-lb. @ 4750 rpmTrans: 5M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.27:1 limited-slip w/8.8-in. ring gearCurb weight: 3430 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.7Horsepower per liter: 69.6, Tires: 245/45ZR17Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.25 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.41 sec.1/4 mile: 13.51 sec. @ 103.45 mph

Mitsubishi 3000GT

Base price: $44,600, Price as tested: $45,140Engine: 3.0L/181.0 CID DOHC 24v twin turbo V6HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 315 ft.-lb. @ 2500 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/awdFinal drive: 3.87:1 w/center viscous couplingCurb weight: 3737 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 11.7Horsepower/liter: 106.7, Tires: 245/40ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.70 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.00 sec.1/4 mile: 13.44 sec. @ 101.79 mph

Chevrolet Camaro SS

Base price: $20,870, Price as tested: $27,466Engine: 5.7-liter/346.0 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8HP: 320 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 345 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slipCurb weight: 3439 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.8Horsepower per liter: 56.1, Tires: 275/40ZR17Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.27 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.27 sec.1/4 mile: 13.42 sec. @ 106.15 mph

Mercedes-Benz E55

Base price: $69,100, Price as tested: $72,290Engine: 5.4-liter/330.0 cu.-in. SOHC 24v V8HP: 349 @ 5500 rpm, Torque: 391 ft.-lb. @ 3000 rpmTrans: 5A, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 2.82:1 w/electronic traction controlCurb weight: 3746 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.7HP/liter: 64.6, Tires: f: 245/40ZR18, r: 275/35ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.23 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.32 sec.1/4 mile: 13.39 sec. @ 106.06 mph

Porsche Carrera

Base price: $65,030, Price as tested: $71,680Engine: 3.4-liter/207.0 cu.-in. DOHC 24v H6HP: 296 @ 6800 rpm, Torque: 258 ft.-lb. @ 4600 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: rear engine/rear driveFinal drive: 3.44:1 w/electronic traction controlCurb weight: 2901 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 9.8HP/liter: 87.1, Tires: f: 205/50ZR17, r: 255/40ZR17Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.98 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.93 sec.1/4 mile: 13.30 sec. @ 107.10 mph

Acura NSX

Base price: $88,000, Price as tested: $88,745Engine: 3.2-liter/194.0 cu.-in. DOHC 24v V6HP: 290 @ 7100 rpm, Torque: 224 ft.-lb. @ 5500 rpmTrans: 4A, Drivetrain: midengine/rear driveFinal drive: 4.62:1 w/electronic traction controlCurb weight: 3160 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.9HP/liter: 90.6, Tires: f: 215/45ZR16, r: 245/40ZR17Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.94 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.97 sec.1/4 mile: 13.17 sec. @ 107.65 mph

Firebird Formula

Base price: $23,065, Price as tested: $26,800Engine: 5.7-liter/346.0 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8HP: 320 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 345 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slipCurb weight: 3341 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.4Horsepower per liter: 56.1, Tires: 275/40ZR17Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.08 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.94 sec.1/4 mile: 13.15 sec. @ 108.27 mph

Ferrari F355

Base price: $127,200, Price as tested: $138,115Engine: 3.5-liter/213.3 cu.-in. DOHC 40v V8HP: 375 @ 8250 rpm, Torque: 268 ft.-lb. @ 6000 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: midengine/rear driveFinal drive: 3.61:1Curb weight: 2976 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 7.9HP/liter: 107.1, Tires: f: 225/40ZR18, r: 265/40ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.05 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.94 sec.1/4 mile: 13.13 sec. @ 107.56 mph

Chevrolet Corvette

Base price: $38,197, Price as tested: $40,237Engine: 5.7-liter/346.07 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8HP: 345 @ 5600 rpm, Torque: 350 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slipCurb weight: 3174 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 9.2HP/liter: 60.5, Tires: f: 245/45ZR17, r: 275/40ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.95 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.74 sec.1/4 mile: 12.98 sec. @ 108.85 mph

Lotus Esprit

Base price: $83,725, Price as tested: $87,920Engine: 3.5L/213.8 CID DOHC 32v twin turbo V8HP: 350 @ 6500 rpm, Torque: 295 ft.-lb. @ 4250 rpmTrans: 5M, Drivetrain: midengine/rear drive, twin-plate racing clutchFinal drive: 3.89:1Curb weight: 3043 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 8.7HP/liter: 100.0, Tires: f: 235/40ZR17, r: 285/40ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.83 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.43 sec.1/4 mile: 12.85 sec. @ 110.96 mph

Dodge Viper

Base price: $65,725, Price as tested: $72,425Engine: 8.0-liter/488.0 cu.-in. OHV 20v V10HP: 450 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 490 ft.-lb. @ 3700 rpmTrans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear driveRear axle: 3.07:1 limited-slipCurb weight: 3319 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 7.4HP/liter: 56.2, Tires: f: 275/35ZR18, r: 335/30ZR18Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.82 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.06 sec.1/4 mile: 12.08 sec. @ 118.51 mph

[Rex]

Oh, and then there's the 3 (WRX, Evo & SRT) in this Comparo

[cory2081]

"Little boy" eh, onefastj30?? Now that got me laughing. Oh, what's that?? Ok, you want Apples to Apples. Well, well.....for all you know it alls, here is the end to your argument about the Cobra only being fast in a straight line. Geez, looks like I gotta take you lil boys to school now......this is straight from your beloved Car and Driver Cobra vs. G35 vs. RX-8......the Cobra didn't win overall.....but, it beat BOTH cars in the 1/4 mile (DUH) AND AT YOUR PRECIOUS ROAD COURSE!!! Wow, 3,600 lb. cars CAN handle can't they?? Good Lord, what good is a car that handles like it's on rails without POWER?? NONE!!! If the car can't POWER out of the turns, and blast down the straights, all you have is a car that can a corner fast. Looks like the G35 and the Z just do that. You wanted Apples to Apples.....there you go, the G35 is the same price as the Cobra and basically the same car as the Z (it may not handle quite as well, but, close enough I'm sure) So, you might not wanna challenge a Cobra to a road race either....it just may be a big mistake.....you DEFINITLY don't want to challenge a Cobra R. Enough said.

[Mr1der]

good lord someone needs to just lock or delete this thread and I need to quit reading it...

[JustinStrife]

Hey Cory... Cool it. You're losing supporters the longer you drag this out. Just let it go. Leave the dead horse alone.. To quote a very old show... "He's dead Jim"

I'm done. I refuse to write in this thread again.

[cory2081]

I'm done.....point made. thread closed

[Mr1der]

damnit Jim, this is what I get for reading this thread again, I'm a doctor not a moderator damnit!

[hatebobbarker]

whats your pointive never criticized the cobras performance, my main focus from the begining has been comparing a 26k car to a 35k car its a lame argument.you refuse to acknowledge this fact

[SmithSR]

$26k vs. $35k

What say you, Cory?

[R4v3n]

You want apples to apples? Well here goes:

2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra = 34,575.00

2003 Nissan 350Z Enthusiast model = 28,350.00(Includes LSD and TCS)

Stillen Supercharger kit = 3,795.00

Stillen Complete Carbon Fiber Hood = 795.00(Neccesary to fit Supercharger Kit)

Cobra = 34,575.00 Supercharged 350Z = 32,940.00

The Z owner still has 1,635.00 to spend.

Road and Track Tested Stillen's new SMZ car at low 13s.

Watching a 350Z destroy a Mullet wearing Mustang owner who claims his car is the fastest thing on wheels? = Priceless

How you like them apples?

[jEzTeR]

You want apples to apples? Well here goes:

2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra = 34,575.00

2003 Nissan 350Z Enthusiast model = 28,350.00(Includes LSD and TCS)

Stillen Supercharger kit = 3,795.00

Stillen Complete Carbon Fiber Hood = 795.00(Neccesary to fit Supercharger Kit)

Cobra = 34,575.00 Supercharged 350Z = 32,940.00

The Z owner still has 1,635.00 to spend.

Road and Track Tested Stillen's new SMZ car at low 13s.

Watching a 350Z destroy a Mullet wearing Mustang owner who claims his car is the fastest thing on wheels? = Priceless

How you like them apples?

I like them apples.BTW: that 1,635.00 would go along way to get the NISMO S tuned Exhaust.

[PalmerWMD]

It is clear Cory is trolling he admitted as much, this thread is closed.

Fred...

[Cold_Zero]

I'm done.....point made. thread closed

By locking this thread, it does not make you a martyr or even correct in your assertion.Please enjoy your S-14 or what ever car you agree on as being the best. People buy cars for different reasons, (price, power, handling, looks, utility, gas mileage, endurance, loyalty, convenience or ease of use) and there is really nothing productive in knocking cars that fit the different needs of the masses. If we all drove Cobra SVT’s it would be a boring world.