Why Nissan?? Why the 350z and not the s15 or Skyline??

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

What in the world was Nissan thinking when they brought the 350Z here instead of the S15 or Skyline?? I don't think that their sales on the 350 are doing so well. Yeah, they have sold some here....but they are already ending up on used car lots!! People are buying them and then trading them after just a few months?? I'm not talking about 1 or 2, I'm saying that there are quite a few of them on used lots. Why didn't they leave that POS in Japan and bring us the S15 or the Skyline?? Who wants a slow 350Z that rides like crap and looks like an Audi TT on crack?? I'm sure there are those of you who like the 350, but, isn't the S15 just bad a$$?? I would be driving one right now if they were sold here. What is everyone's opinion on this, I gotta know?? Are there 350Zs on used car lots near you??

Post by **glacier985** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

I have yet to see one used 350z for sale in my area, but then again there is not a lot in my area at all. I would've rather seen the s15 then the 350z, just because it looks better and is in more peoples spending range.

Post by **MainEvent212** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

most ignorant post EVAR!!!

Post by **MainEvent212** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

let me elaborate

1. 350Z is faster then S152. S15 is not an economically sound venture for nissan3. 350Z does NOT ride like crap4. 350Z styling is VERY popular with many many people5. the skyline is here you douchebag, i own one

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Cory:I respectfulyl disagree:The 350Z has been a fantastic seller for Nissan and it a great car to boot.

It is more car than an S15 would be, The skyline is coming ( as an Infiniti $$wise different class if car).

The reason some are already on usd car lots is a phenomenon they share will all other pure 2 seaters.

Fred..

Post by **skydragoness** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Not to mention the S15 was DISCONTINUED in Japan.

Post by **MainEvent212** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

good one sky

Post by **Zenki** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Yes I have seen 350z's on used lots here in Sacramento... and yes Nissans should have gotten the S15 or the Skyline... I'm so disappointed...

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Sorry fellas, I stand firm, the 350 is crap, and it's very slow....especially for what the thing costs. I'm just disappointed that Nissan doesn't have an "entry level" car like the s14 anymore. I knew lots of people would disagree, but, I think Nissan, along with alot of other car companies, miss the boat when it comes to what people really want. I must say, the G35, IMHO looks great....however, for the price I'd buy a Cobra or an STI.......sorry Nissan.......I do LOVE my S14 though.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

A Cobra starts mid 30's a G35 Coupe starts 29k.The Corba is a sports car the G35 a Sports Coupe different class of vehicle that wont be cross-shopped by many.Verylow 14.s is not slow, its a bit faster than the V8 engined Mustang GT.

Fred...

Post by **Hijacker** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

one big reason why we haven't received a GT-R (i'm assuming when you say skyline, you mean that) is because of the niche market. it's cost prohibitive and the car would only be bought true enthusiasts. Since the Mitsubishi Evo 8 has done so well in its market, Nissan has realized that the GT-R could do well also and that's why it's slated for release by '07.

I haven't driven a 350 yet, but I don't feel that 270 HP is slow.

And we all just need to accept that the S15 was cancelled and just wait for Nissan to hopefully release a new Silvia soon. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one at least.

Post by **Hijacker** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

PalmerWMD wrote:A Cobra starts mid 30's a G35 Coupe starts 29k.The Corba is a sports car the G35 a Sports Coupe different class of vehicle that wont be cross-shopped by many.Verylow 14.s is not slow, its a bit faster than the V8 engined Mustang GT.

Fred...

Fred, my SR powered S13 pulls away from my dad's GT, i just fall behind for the first second or so while the turbo spools up

Mustangs weigh too much IMO

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Haha, you think that POS 350Z is faster than a new Mustang GT?? I had a '99 GT, a 350 would get owned by a new GT. I don't care what the magazines say, I'm telling you from experience. Hell, my friend with a Grand Prix GTP already beat one, and my Mustang could smoke him. Let's see, a Cobra is not really a sports car, it isn't a 2 seater, it also has 390 HP....which is more than any other new car for the price. Maybe other people would rather have a G35, it's a pimp *** ride, looks much better than the Z, but lacks in the performance department. Oh, and Cobras are $31,000 for a hard top.

Post by **SmithSR** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Still a trade off between all around performing, and hard hitting power found in the Cobra.

I should know, I've driven the cars you've mentioned at 7/10 or better, on winding roads and wide open straights.

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

tenkawa_akito wrote:one big reason why we haven't received a GT-R (i'm assuming when you say skyline, you mean that) is because of the niche market. it's cost prohibitive and the car would only be bought true enthusiasts. Since the Mitsubishi Evo 8 has done so well in its market, Nissan has realized that the GT-R could do well also and that's why it's slated for release by '07.

I haven't driven a 350 yet, but I don't feel that 270 HP is slow.

And we all just need to accept that the S15 was cancelled and just wait for Nissan to hopefully release a new Silvia soon. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one at least.

EXACTLY!! Geez, we have to wait til '07?? Man, these car companies need to get it together. Strike while the iron is hot. While there may not be a huge market for these cars, don't you think the GTR would outsell the 350 here?? That's the only point I was making. The 300 already failed here, as did the Supra b/c the Z28 and Trans Am gave people more bang for the buck!! That's the bottom line, Greenville is swarming with '03 Cobras.....there's a reason for that!! I have yet to see an '03 Cobra on a used car lot here.

Post by **MikeMurphy** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

I would take a guess and say that nissan was suffering from brand cannibalism. They werent spreading out their product lineup and thus not selling what they needed to sell.

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

I've driven them too, my friend Nick has an '03 Cobra 10th Anniversary SVT. One powerful car to be bone stock!! I just wish that car companies would give us more for our money. I know it's getting better, in some cases, but I get tired of seeing awsome concepts and cars that should be sold here not becoming available. It just sucks. If I hadn't come across the deal I got on my S14, I would be driving an '03 Sonic blue Mustang GT.......just like everyone else around here....lol.

Post by **skydragoness** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

I'm happy there is a damn Z. It's been a long time coming, and although it's n/a. It's still the rebirth of a legend, an icon that made them famous in the late 70's and early 80's (the GTR was an icon too, but not stateside) and that has to be recognized.

Furthermore, Nissan is still getting back on it's feet, with Renault's help they're slowly making a comeback. You just have to wait. It doesn't happen overnight so stop bellyaching and buy an Sti. I would... if i had the money.

Post by **Hijacker** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

hell, if you're a ford fan, wait for the next thing shelby's gonna do with ford (please please please be a new GT500!)

Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

2004 CobraMSRP Coupe: $35,200($34,575 MSRP, plus $625 Dest & Del, from Ford.com)

Performance0 - 60 mph [secs] 4.5 0 - 100 mph [secs] 10.4 1/4 mile [secs at mph] 12.9 at 111 Top Speed [mph] 155 (electr. limited)

2004 Nissan 350Z TrackMSRP $34,720.00 ($34,180 MSRP, plus $540 Dest & Del, from Nissanmotors.com)

Performance0 - 60 mph [secs] 5.4 0 - 100 mph [secs] 13.6 1/4 mile [secs at mph] 14.0 at 102 Top Speed [mph] 156

Just the facts...

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

A mustang GT does the quarter in mid 14's a 350Z does 'em in low 14's.

Z you are likely to meet are perhaps not driven in or the driver doesnt wanna oush 'em so hard at low miles?

Fred...

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Rex:

Everyone knows the Corbra is a lot faster than the Z.The only guy I ever met w/ a Cobra had a lot of problem w/ it and hated it Z ownerson the otehr hand love their machines.

Also there is a lot to be said for the purity of an all-motor application

Fred...

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

You're right, the Z is legendary. I do like the older ones, actually thought about getting one at one point in time. I know there are people out there that love those cars. I just see the things all over town on used car lots. It's very odd, I just got the impression that people are disappointed with it, which, they must be given the number that have traded them in. Some dealers have several on the used lot....at least, around here they do.

Post by **skydragoness** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Yes, and when the WRX first came out, many of them turned up in used car lots within the following year. Doesn't hurt their popularity one bit.

Like Palmer said, two seater cars have that kind of turnover rate

Post by **Rex** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Oh, my point was ... how does a second make a car a POS??

I mean that's the point of this thread, right? That the Z is a POS, b/c would a whole second behind the SVT (Special Vehicle Team) Cobra.

Post by **cory2081** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Rex, those are MSRP. Go to the dealership and look at the sticker. The Cobras here are priced at 31,000. A Track for $34000?? Not here. They must be doing some price gouging here or something. Even if it were $34000, there is noway I would pay that when there are cars like the STI, Cobra, and (God forbid) the EVO for a couple thousand less. I'm just saying that I think the Z car is gonna fall victim to overpricing....AGAIN. alot of problems with an '03 Cobra?? I know several owners, no problems yet. It's all opinion on who would rather have what. I'm just saying that I think the Z falls way short in the bang for the buck department. In this country, that spells T.R.O.U.B.L.E.

Post by **Hijacker** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

i honestly wouldn't compare an SVT cobra to a Z. different classes entirely. A 3 liter V-6 versus a 5.6 (?) liter V-8. Put the Z and the Cobra on something other than a straight line, and I'd say the Z would have a quicker time

Post by **SilviaBoston** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Ok the 350Z and G35 are both great with loads of power but Nissan has watered down these two cars so much you dont even fell the power as you sit behind the wheel. And Nissan i have one question, "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE TURBO OR THE TWIN TURBO? And why doesnt the 350Z have the 4WD option like the old 300ZX?" Nissan is a great company but they are letting down the enthusiasts that support them through thick and thin. Why cant i go to the dealer and buy a 2000+ Nissan sports car for under 20,000? The sports cars are dying and being replaced with luxury sedans.

Post by **SmithSR** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

tenkawa_akito wrote:i honestly wouldn't compare an SVT cobra to a Z. different classes entirely. A 3 liter V-6 versus a 5.6 (?) liter V-8. Put the Z and the Cobra on something other than a straight line, and I'd say the Z would have a quicker time

And you'd be right.

Phil:)

Post by **SmithSR** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:13 pm

Boston, name a sports car for under $20k

you can't because today's market dictates that performance cars hover at the $30k mark.

Why Nissan?? Why the 350z and not the s15 or Skyline??

Why Nissan?? Why the 350z and not the s15 or Skyline??

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