Why Nissan?? Why the 350z and not the s15 or Skyline??

[-HyJynX-]

Z owners......mid 20's?? All I see is old people driving them here. The young people are buying the Cobra, there are some older people,

Here in southern cali all I see are young men and women driving 350s...and maybe a couple 30-40yr old men. Its all on location..

[AREITU]

Sorry fellas, I stand firm, the 350 is crap, and it's very slow....especially for what the thing costs. I'm just disappointed that Nissan doesn't have an "entry level" car like the s14 anymore. I knew lots of people would disagree, but, I think Nissan, along with alot of other car companies, miss the boat when it comes to what people really want. I must say, the G35, IMHO looks great....however, for the price I'd buy a Cobra or an STI.......sorry Nissan.......I do LOVE my S14 though.

You haven't ridden in a 350Z with the technosquare ECU flash, then. Nissan has an "entry level" car. It's called the Sentra SE-R. Step up to the Spec V and you get a helical LSD, a short ratio gearbox and Brembo front brakes. Rockford-Fosgate anyone? Not everybody cares about RWD. I can explain why they don't produce a RWD coupe but your head might explode.

I think, Nissan, along with a lot of other car companies, miss the boat when it comes to what you really want. I can explain, but your head might explode.

If Mustang Cobras are so great, why don't you go get one? Depreciation means you wait a year and they're very affordable. You can go pick up a Cobra pretty cheap now, or even a Bullitt, Mach1 (cobra w/o Supercharger) or a GT (they have IRS now, just buy some BIlsteins). Considering how much S14s are worth nowadays, you can make a pretty hefty down payment. A Cobra is faster, gets more power per dollar, turns better, brakes better and sounds better than an S14.

You wouldn't buy an STi because I know your type already. You want a sporty coupe. You'll have excuses like, It's ugly, it detonates, it dosen't handle as well as the EVO, I'm too tall to fit in it, or "it's marked up" You wouldn't buy an STi for the same reason.

So go buy your Rustang. I see them pretty cheap nowadays. What're you waiting for? Oh wait, you want to be different. How many people are buying S14s now to be "different"?

[hatebobbarker]

first off, smith i want your bronco,secound offpostwhore, i mean cory... look at my cars, im 20 didnt even consider a mustang of any type, cause its crap, hell i watched a brand new one throw a belt at the drag strip in my one trip there.everyone that called the 350z "slow" please elaborate on why. i beat SR powered 240s, so im pretty sure a z isnt threatened.

get off this board and go buy a mustang, its obvious were your heart lies. ill stick with nissan, cause i know better.

[AREITU]

Because Americans are like the Ugly guys of the car-buying world, we will take whatever we can get. Why give Americans the GT-R or S15 when they will pay S15 prices for a 240SX. It make sense:(

America is the largest car market in the world. It has extremely varied terrain and roads. Every state has different emissions laws so they have to meet the strictest one. Our crash and saftey laws are different, and ou gasoline is different. Back when the GT-R was in production, nobody would go near a $40,000 Japanese sports car with a ten foot pole, thus the demise of the Supra, 3000GT, 300Z and RX7. The R34 was too different from any other Nissan or Infiniti model in the US so it wouldn't have helped their image at all. An R34 GTR would have come out to about $40,000, and they probably know that not enough people would pay that much for the car to care at all. They would have had to redesign the R34 slightly ,retool the factory and crash test a few. That's a few hundred thousand dollars of R&D, and for what? Low volume sales? Many laymen, the same people who could afford the car, consider the Skyline ugly. If you ever sit in any Skyline and you're larger than the average Japanese person, you're not going to fit very well.

The S15 didn't come for the same reason. Name another Nissan sold in the US that even vaguely resembles the S15. It'd only jumble the brand image more, and we would have gotten a KA in it, anyway. Besides, the floor is shallow, the interior is plain, has some gear noise from the transmission, and the back seat is close to useless, for the US market. Carlos Ghosn knows what he's doing. Be glad that Nissan is even around at all and be glad they even produced the 350Z and G35. If you don't know who Carlos Ghosn is, I question your enthusiasm in the Nissan world.

[spec-v5150]

As somoen said, look at the sticker price of a 240sx back in the day. Sticker price of 20000!!!! Inflation as they already said, pushes the price close to the base model Z. Now how many 240 enthusiasts would be on this board right now if they had to pay 28000K for a damn 240sx??? I am thrilled with the current car market. You have the SpecV, SRT4, RSX, 350z, and a slew of other cars. And the GTR...dont even get me started on that. From the article I read, you can tell it is going to be in the UPPER price range and not available to the peopel who really care about it....the young guys (and gals). The GT3 players, fast and furious watcher (LOL), the car tuner...not some 50 year old rich pansy who buys one just because. I think from a business standpoint, people dont care about RWD. The "average" car buyer doesnt say damn why cant I get a RWD vehicle. Enthusiasts complain about stuff like that but dont look at it fom a bigger picture. IF nissan made a RWD for the few thousand people on this board, they would go broke. I heard some guy over at the honda board complaining the other day about the 01 civic not being tuner friendly...HELLO, they didnt make the civic to be a tuned car from the factory

[lessthanjakejohn]

There is a new Evo coming out that is completely stripped. $27k

[hatebobbarker]

and your point is?

[APEXi240]

Stupidest thread so far this year?

[hatebobbarker]

dude he drives a mustang, keep tabs on the skyline section if you want to see stupid threads

[BoostFab]

most ignorant post EVAR!!!

Quote »let me elaborate

1. 350Z is faster then S152. S15 is not an economically sound venture for nissan3. 350Z does NOT ride like crap4. 350Z styling is VERY popular with many many people5. the skyline is here you douchebag, i own one[/quote]You can’t just compare plain horse power between the 350z & the Mustang; it’s more to it than just HP, IMO Mustangs are a$$ ugly and more of a POS then 350z. beside, the Z show more class and hold value better than Mustang....face it' it's the fact.

[SeVa-S13]

Hey SmithSR heres your list

Sports Cars Under 20,000:Eclipse Lancer RSX (on the broader)MX-5 Miata (on the broader)Impreza Mustang Tiburon

Sports Cars?! Wait for it...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. *Breathe* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Althought I do have to give the Miata some respect for it's sheer handling capability, even though it proabably one of the least hetero vehicles on the planet. =\

Edit: Seriously though man, thanks. That brightened my day, I'm still laughing.

[creophus]

Ok the 350Z and G35 are both great with loads of power but Nissan has watered down these two cars so much you dont even fell the power as you sit behind the wheel. And Nissan i have one question, "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE TURBO OR THE TWIN TURBO? And why doesnt the 350Z have the 4WD option like the old 300ZX?" Nissan is a great company but they are letting down the enthusiasts that support them through thick and thin. Why cant i go to the dealer and buy a 2000+ Nissan sports car for under 20,000? The sports cars are dying and being replaced with luxury sedans.

Take it easy man. Look at the direction that some of these compaines are going now...few of them offer turbo charged vehicles that offered them in the past. Nissan, Mazda, and Toyota used to have turbo charged vehicles, none of them do now. I do recognize the EVO, WRX & SRT4 are new (at least to us) cars that are turbo charged, but turbo charged cars cost the company a lot of money. The parts have to be forged and because they generate a lot of heat, there are more problems with warranty issues, and its tough to meet CARB regulations with these cars. AREITU brought up the fact that the R34 would have cost like $40,000 if it came over, but I believe it would have been more like $50,000+ because of the emissions laws. The turbo supras were extremely expensive when you could buy them new. Even an S14 would have ran you $24,000 in 1996! If anything the cars are getting cheaper compared to the performance that you can get now. I believe that the sports car is coming back. No company wants to loose money on a vehicle :rolleyes so they're cautious about introducing new models. But soon I believe Toyota will have to have an answer for the 350Z, just like Mitsubishi had to have an answer for the WRX. So now you can get an EVO for less than you could get a VR4...don't cry about that...its a good thing!!! I believe it was SUVs that led to the market shifting away from Sports Cars. Americans like big vehicles, and they didn't have the same emissions laws so you could get a lot for your money. But like I said before, I believe everyone will offer a competitive sports car. Soon they will have to. The return of the Z led to the return of other sports cars and soon there will be an even better market. That's just my opinion

[hatebobbarker]

the gtr selling for $50k only makes areitus point stronger.

as far as im concerned the miata is the only sports car on that list.

[creophus]

Why don't you consider a Mustang a Sports Car?

[SeVa-S13]

Piggish, overweight, poor handling, and you can get a brand new GT for under $20k? Not doubting you totally, but I would think that a cheap mustang would be a V6 model...and those are just a joke.

[hatebobbarker]

what he said, and honestly what about the mustang IS sporty? if you say v8 im gonna laugh

[Metroyed]

Just piping in here, could be completely wrong. But wouldn't a mustang GT be concidered a muscle car?

[victim_of_a_down]

what he said, and honestly what about the mustang IS sporty? if you say v8 im gonna laugh

Let's see archaic suspension, chassis flex, spongy brakes, poor shifter and cheap materials for the interior. It seems like Ford's just saying "this engine puts out good power, forgive all other sins." It doesn't offer the well-rounded, refined driving experience a real sports car should. Now the Cobra's a different story.

[Silvia2b]

Wouldn't it be cool if companies like Motorex decided to import s15s to? I mean if you want a GTR call them and lay down the cash you can have one right? there are plenty available in Japan.Although the price is way out of the $30,000 range even for the R32 gtr. So bang for buck argument still applies.

[hatebobbarker]

weve talked about s15s its just not reasonable a spec r would haveto sell for around 40k think about that a used s15 for 40k ...ouchthers always talk about "someone" who is trying to make s15s legal, maybe itll happen one day but by then hopefully well have a newer model sivlia, and america wont get a jewed motor.

[AREITU]

cory2081, what do you have to say? We await word from your all-powerful butthole.

[cory2081]

Ugh, I'm not gonna bother reading all of these posts. It's very obvious some people misunderstand where I'm coming from, or blowing things out of proportion. To shut up anyone that thinks the Cobra isn't a better car, better value, and just plain out makes sense....I give you this....It has already been proven that an '03 Cobra can getinto the high 9's in the 1/4 mile with stock internals, it's already been done!! Let's see your precious Z do that. I'm quite sure that engine would explode before even coming close. As for the rest of you who think I'm some kind of Mustang lover and the others that think they know specs on Mustangs, get a clue. I didn't buy a Mustang b/c I have already owned one, along with a Buick GN. Another point I wish to make is that I judge cars by what they do in the real world, not on some track. I'm a street racer, always have been, so telling me that the 350Z handles so great on the track doesn't mean jack out here on the street. Oh....I wouldn't buy an STI?? I LOVE that car!!! I just don't feel like spending $30,000 on a car right now, I also don't want the high insurance and taxes. I would totally buy one, it would be a toss between that and the Cobra honestly. I didn't mean to piss anyone off, I started this thread mentioning the 350Z's on used car lots, lack of power, and why didn't Nissan bring something else here. I was just wanting everyone's opinion. You Mustang haters only hate them b/c you probably get beat by them. Those claiming they are unreliable cars, I drove my '99 130,000 miles in 4 years with absolutely NO PROBLEMS and the car ran 8.70s at 81 MPH in the 1/8th. Anyway, I gotta go now, I've wasted enough time here. I have band practice and an H22A swap to do. Later.

[hatebobbarker]

Ugh, I'm not gonna bother reading all of these posts. It's very obvious some people misunderstand where I'm coming from, or blowing things out of proportion. To shut up anyone that thinks the Cobra isn't a better car, better value, and just plain out makes sense....I give you this....It has already been proven that an '03 Cobra can getinto the high 9's in the 1/4 mile with stock internals, it's already been done!! Let's see your precious Z do that. I'm quite sure that engine would explode before even coming close. As for the rest of you who think I'm some kind of Mustang lover and the others that think they know specs on Mustangs, get a clue. I didn't buy a Mustang b/c I have already owned one, along with a Buick GN. Another point I wish to make is that I judge cars by what they do in the real world, not on some track. I'm a street racer, always have been, so telling me that the 350Z handles so great on the track doesn't mean jack out here on the street. Oh....I wouldn't buy an STI?? I LOVE that car!!! I just don't feel like spending $30,000 on a car right now, I also don't want the high insurance and taxes. I would totally buy one, it would be a toss between that and the Cobra honestly. I didn't mean to piss anyone off, I started this thread mentioning the 350Z's on used car lots, lack of power, and why didn't Nissan bring something else here. I was just wanting everyone's opinion. You Mustang haters only hate them b/c you probably get beat by them. Those claiming they are unreliable cars, I drove my '99 130,000 miles in 4 years with absolutely NO PROBLEMS and the car ran 8.70s at 81 MPH in the 1/8th. Anyway, I gotta go now, I've wasted enough time here. I have band practice and an H22A swap to do. Later.

time for personal attacks cause you make it so easy.if you read them youd see we make good points1 mark towards you being an idiotyour still missing the fact that zs are $26-27 unlike the the cobras 35k base price2 idiot pointsyour a street racer3 idiot pointsall the 240 owners and many of the z owners i know regularly vist the track, alot of 240 owners a big on autocross, research!4 idiot pointsif a mustang was so great, and we are all so jealous why dont we buy them? since they are SOOOOO cheap we can all afford one.5 idiot points, congratulations sir you are an idiotdo you want an sti because hot rod magazine was split on whether the sti or cobra was a better car?the vq35 has a very nice powerband, how hard have you driven one?

i guess it doesnt really matter since you said your not reading what we say(at least you admit to it, unlike other forum tools.

since theres no PMs AREITU CALL MY CELL!!!!

[TrunkMonkey]

time for personal attacks cause you make it so easy.

how about no time for personal attacks because it's not tolerated.

-demetrius

[jdmfreak]

Well......Hmmmmmm......Nothing left for say but can you guys post a pic or link of an S15?

[TrunkMonkey]

the s15...



-demetrius

[jEzTeR]

In the real world...I spent 3 months researching my new car.I started looking at 4 cars.

1)G35c2)350z3)STI4)EVO VIII

I looked at price and longivity more than anything else because performance between the 4 of them is so close. Real prices in my area were..G35c w/ lots of goodies=$36-38K350z Enthusiast 6-spped = $30KSTI = $32.5KEVO = $28-29K After I drove the Z, EVO, and STI (I gave up on the G because of price) I spent some time thinking about each car.I even took photos of each and made a folder on my desktop of each.The EVo and STI are pretty much the same type of car = AWD turbo and they each had their pros and cons. Main things for me were the EVO has no cruise control and the STI has no radio.The STI is also about $2.5K more than I was looking to spend.(BTW: The STI feelt like a much better car when driving it)

Then there was the Z.Hard to compair the other two cars to as it is RWD N/A but still does real well in the performance area.The Z was a blast to drive and felt plenty powerfull.Lots of low end torque.When driving the Z I got more looks and heads turned than any of the other cars(and the EVO I drove was yellow).I think the 2 door body style that the Z has is just super sexy!Then there is the fact that it is a Z!I used to have a 1991 Z back in the day.Owning a Z is like owning a Corvette or Harley.You belong to a group of real Enthusiast!The Z is not slow!The aftermarket mods for the Z that are out now will take care of whatever N/A phobias that you have.There are several TT kits as well as superchargers.The Z is a car that I will have for 10-20 years.There arn't too many other cars that I would say that about.

As far as the Mustang goes...I never have been much of a mustang fan but I do respect tha car.Ford has made some really great cars over the years.The 03 Cobra is also supercharged.

[jdmfreak]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha*cough cough* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I feel soooooo stupid. I wasnt even thinking. In my head I was thinking S15? WTF??? How come I never knew it was produced? I totaly forgot about what the S15 was. I even have pics of the damn car on my computer. And my name is jdmfreak? You guys must think Im an idiot. Feel free to crack jokes. I deserve it.

[TrunkMonkey]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha*cough cough* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I feel soooooo stupid. I wasnt even thinking. In my head I was thinking S15? WTF??? How come I never knew it was produced? I totaly forgot about what the S15 was. I even have pics of the damn car on my computer. And my name is jdmfreak? You guys must think Im an idiot. Feel free to crack jokes. I deserve it.

i was thinking wtf? ...but i decided not to say anything .

-demetrius

[jdmfreak]

I need to be slapped for that dumb *** comment. You shoulda said something.