Vigor's kit thread

[SBC300]

All you needed to do was get it close with lightweight filler then take it to a body shop to have them finish the panel forming and contours. A good body shop could have knocked it out almost perfect in a few days.
If I were you I would get ot close as possible, have a shop get it close, make refinements, take it back and have them final it, then just finish the panels and pop molds off it. Simple, fast, less expensive than what you have probably already spent, not to mention countless hours of your time thrown away. As Jack Sparrow would say.... Mate, you need a girlfriend.

[VigorousZX]

Not having a girl friend was the initial motivator 8 years ago and having no income is the reason why I have taken the amateur one man route.
With this machine I wont need to sand or sculpt anymore, hopefully, I can just lay the fiberglass which I have some experience with now.
In a few weeks I should have the front carved out, maybe I can cut out aluminum brackets to secure the kit too.

[tg]

Yeah, we were kind of watching with amusement as you paper mache'd yourself away... but if you were serious about it, you should have foam blocked it to get a prototype, then you make moulds from that and you're off, next step is production which is pretty easy as far as making panels from moulds, get the parts together to make kits -> sell the kits -> ship them, done.

[InfinitiEric]

Unashamed bump. Any updates Vig?

[VigorousZX]

Nothing sufficient;
I made a poor mans sound reducing enclosure around the machine
and I failed miserably at cutting out a mount for a larger drill (router), which I will be switching to wood instead of plastic

Once I fit the larger router Im going to carve out a few RC size cars then start making the Vigor kit.

[InfinitiEric]

Nice. I'm stilling waiting to see the final version of this kit! Hopefully sometime soon? When's the anticipated finished date these days?

[Barry (NJ)]

OK, serious question... Why use the Z32 as your base? If you want to build your own unique car, why not start with a blank slate and build it? Get a Factory 5, or some other kit-car chassis, and design and build your own skin for it. Then you can source what ever head-lights, tail-lights, etc. you want to encorperate into your design. You really are going about this the wrong way. The Z is a beautiful car, with a long heritage, no need to deface it the way you are. If you want a Z, get a Z and keep it a Z. If you want something else...

[VigorousZX]

Nice. I'm stilling waiting to see the final version of this kit! Hopefully sometime soon? When's the anticipated finished date these days?

Ive over come lots of obstacles and little problems along the way that from here on it should be smooth sailing. I think by the end of the month I will definitely have a complete kit in foam then I'll need to adapt the 2010 Mazda3 headlights I have for it and engineer a way to attach it all. Hopefully the old headlights can also be used as an option and still look good.

OK, serious question... Why use the Z32 as your base? If you want to build your own unique car, why not start with a blank slate and build it? Get a Factory 5, or some other kit-car chassis, and design and build your own skin for it. Then you can source what ever head-lights, tail-lights, etc. you want to encorperate into your design. You really are going about this the wrong way.

All this takes money or investors that I dont have and the Z as a base has many advantages that other cars dont even come close to.

The Z is a beautiful car, with a long heritage, no need to deface it the way you are. If you want a Z, get a Z and keep it a Z. If you want something else...

The Z is a beautiful car but I feel my design is more beautiful. I think some Aston martin and Ferrari designed cars also look better but those cars will never be in my price range... even 20 years from now a Ferrari 430 will carry a hefty cost of ownership that a working class person would have to be irresponsible to spend so much for.

Something interesting to think about with Nissan design trends and Ferrari's
http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... alike.html

[ZombieWolf]

Okay Vig, I've been reading your threads for the past hour. I'm suprised you're still at this, and frankly, it impresses me that after 2 years of work, you are still pursuing the project.

But with that two years you've spent doing this, you've failed to make anything notable. You're taking the hard way and not really thinking things through. You're making up manufacturing processes that are for lack of a better word, dumb. In my opinion after 2 years of this nonsence, it's time to move on and learn about the car you've been fascinated with trying to destroy, or pay someone to make the kit for you.

Just my $.02

Surely being about 30 years old, you don't honestly think you can make any money doing what you're doing at the rate you're doing it with the methods you're using to do it. Thinking that at the age of 28 in the first place was unbelievable, a 15 year old has more common sense. You'd have better luck making a living selling lemonade on the side of the road. I know all that I just wrote is harsh, but it's really just sad that you haven't finished and even more so that you haven't figured out a better way to accomplish this yet. I'm honestly expecting your next post to read something like this:

"Today I bought $1400 worth of lego sets that I'm going to piece together to make the basic contours of the kit, I'm then going to lay paper-mache over the legos to get a smoother shape, finally im going to vacuum bag paper-thin plastic over the paper-mache to make the finished bumper. I should have it done in another another another 2 months, but it'll probly turn into another 2 years of half-baked get-rich-quick scheems to pick up underage girls."

Sorry for being an ***hole, but damn Vig. damn.

[worldisgrand]

Vig...I've been watching and reading this thread ever since I first joined this forum. Now I do applaud your dedication to try and customize it to your liking and how you want it to look. A lot of the time it does make me laugh at how you are going about it. A question to you is, why if you are trying to redesign the car are you not starting off with a scale model of it first and using less material and money to make changes and then work on the full sized version once you've perfected those changes. Unless you know something that all the other manufacturers and even architects don't know. They all start with scale models, why because it is cost effective. They even have a lot more money to work with than you do at this point and they still start with scale models.

Start with clay, make a scale model, it allows you to mold it how you need and change anything very quickly without having to waist any material. From that you can perfect the body lines. The thing about clay is you can reuse it over and over.

Hell, if you use clay and make a scale model you could even possibly use the little cnc machine you made on it.

I myself am a professional artist, throughout my many years of doing art I have learned many things. Firstly never start out with a full scale model. Be willing to take critism (you apparently can do that with all the comments on this topic of yours). Work smarter not harder. Learn from others. A lot of the guys on here have given you some pretty good advise on what to do to make it more efficient for yourself in completely your Z32 transformation. If you had been taking some of there advice you would already have a production line and been selling the kits within a month.

If your hell bent on forming full sized body kits without doing a scale model, just cover your entire car in 5 inches of foam and start sanding and cutting down from there. The foam takes about 20 to 30 minutes to cure and you could have a body kit formed out in less than a day. Not 2 years.

Sorry for the rant, but common vig. Some on here are just waiting to say told you so, Im wanting to see if you can walk the talk so I can stop....

[VigorousZX]

My way of creating concepts, before doing full scale work, was in the cheap form of photoshop and along the way the design changed over time because of my evolving taste and my goal with the adaptation of a cheap bolt on kit. Initially problems where the protruding fenders and stock positioned headlights, after it was about incorporating the original hood into the design.
Surely with my new setup I will be making a smaller scaled model for fun but Im confident that the new design will look as nice when machined out in full size.

Okay Vig, I've been reading your threads for the past hour. I'm suprised you're still at this, and frankly, it impresses me that after 2 years of work, you are still pursuing the project.

But with that two years you've spent doing this, you've failed to make anything notable. You're taking the hard way and not really thinking things through. You're making up manufacturing processes that are for lack of a better word, dumb. In my opinion after 2 years of this nonsence, it's time to move on and learn about the car you've been fascinated with trying to destroy, or pay someone to make the kit for you.

Just my $.02

Surely being about 30 years old, you don't honestly think you can make any money doing what you're doing at the rate you're doing it with the methods you're using to do it. Thinking that at the age of 28 in the first place was unbelievable, a 15 year old has more common sense. You'd have better luck making a living selling lemonade on the side of the road. I know all that I just wrote is harsh, but it's really just sad that you haven't finished and even more so that you haven't figured out a better way to accomplish this yet. I'm honestly expecting your next post to read something like this:

"Today I bought $1400 worth of lego sets that I'm going to piece together to make the basic contours of the kit, I'm then going to lay paper-mache over the legos to get a smoother shape, finally im going to vacuum bag paper-thin plastic over the paper-mache to make the finished bumper. I should have it done in another another another 2 months, but it'll probly turn into another 2 years of half-baked get-rich-quick scheems to pick up underage girls."

Sorry for being an ***hole, but damn Vig. damn.

Very humorous post ZombieWolf These past years have lead me to where I am today, with a beautiful design in the making and I dont expect everyone to recognize that. Even when I was hand making it and was in no position to build and fund a cnc machine, I think I did pretty good.

Just have a look see at these pictures, the 3D model I made here was the previous Vigor design that I had planned 4 months ago and just last week the world famous design company Zagato made Aston Martin something very similar.




http://www.revscene.net/forums/gave-my- ... 16p27.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS1j3bF5RyU

in terms of making money, redesigning and reselling cars might seem impossible to you with my garage setup but I take chances in life and since not too many people are doing the same, like selling lemonade, the odds are in my favor.

An update so far is that I busted one of my machines axis's while I was cutting wood so now Im upgrading the parts on it.

[Khiem]

This is a crime

[Mr93z32]

Dude, don't mean to hate or anything, but this is horrible,
You should probably just stick to something like the tsx guy did,
his job looks nice overall, i wouldn't do such a thing to any car, but
thats just me, but his came out pretty nice,

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797561

theres the link in case someone missed it!

If you ever do finish it, i would like to see the turnout,
probably wont like it, if you finish! lol but good luck nevertheless!

[Mr93z32]

Dude, don't mean to hate or anything, but this is horrible,
You should probably just stick to something like the tsx guy did,
his job looks nice overall, i wouldn't do such a thing to any car, but
thats just me, but his came out pretty nice,

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797561

theres the link in case someone missed it!

If you ever do finish it, i would like to see the turnout,
probably wont like it, if you finish! lol but good luck nevertheless!

[ZombieWolf]

"Redesigning" cars in your garage while using a homemade CNC that breaks while cutting wood doesn't just SEEM impossible, it almost possitively IS impossible. At least for someone that doesn't come from any kind of Mechanical or Manufacturing engineering background. MAYBE if you made some notable progress, like actually having some kind of kit by now, I'd be saying that you making money producing aftermarket parts is possible. But you haven't even done that, how do you expect to literally REDESIGN a car? You underestimate the VAST amount of knowledge, skill, and money it takes to design a car in the first place.

I mean come on, over the past two years with the amount of drive you obviously have for the project, you could very well have gotten an aprenticeship under someone that ACTUALLY has the skills to do what you're trying to do. And you'd be well on your way into the aftermarket industry, but like I said, you're strongly underestimating the amount of work, time, money, and know-how it takes to design a car.

[VigorousZX]

By building my machine I have used mechanical, electrical and CNC software to create a 3D model. By making a 3D car model in the virtual world, I have given birth to a new car design.
I am basically a one man automobile design house... atleast I will be once I carve the car in foam and apply fiberglass to it. I dont need an apprenticeship, I am boss.

Dude, don't mean to hate or anything, but this is horrible,
You should probably just stick to something like the tsx guy did,
his job looks nice overall, i wouldn't do such a thing to any car, but
thats just me, but his came out pretty nice,!

Having a 3D printing machine means I can take the side curves of any car and apply it to the Z, much easier then the route that guy took...

[A Paratroopers 300zx]

but I take chances in life

Haha. So, am I to understand that "taking chances in life" means that a 30 year old pot head that still lives at home is failing at making a half-assed design and not taking the sound advice (or at least looking into the advice) of others? That's for sure taking chances man haha. Why not start an apprenticeship? You certainly have the dedication for it...

Vig., seriously... $hit or get off the pot dude. 2 years. Wow. Here's a real question... how much money in weed did it take you to get this far? Now, how much of that could have been spent to actually make some progress? You have people like SBC300, who actually built his own custom drag car... worldisgrand, who is an educated artist... and all the people with credible design and fabrication backgrounds at your disposal! USE THEM AND QUIT TRYING TO DO IT THE WRONG WAY. One of the signs of an intelligent human being is the ability to source the relevant information that was previously unknown. I noticed that you only respond to the people that negatively criticize you, but can't ask questions to the people who are trying to help you.

I'm not even interested in this anymore, because I know that nothing will come of it. Sorry to be a pessimist, but prove me wrong!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!1!111!1!!!!one

[Z32TT]

Another new design, and more photoshopping... nothing new here.

[VigorousZX]

but I take chances in life

Haha. So, am I to understand that "taking chances in life" means that a 30 year old pot head that still lives at home is failing at making a half-assed design and not taking the sound advice (or at least looking into the advice) of others? That's for sure taking chances man haha. Why not start an apprenticeship? You certainly have the dedication for it...

I hear people change their job many times in life before they find something that their satisfied with... if my business takes off, my wasted youth will be worth it. If an apprenticeship inside a design studio was available I would love to do it, but realistically only dirty undesirable opportunities are available the way I see it.

Vig., seriously... $hit or get off the pot dude. 2 years. Wow. Here's a real question... how much money in weed did it take you to get this far? Now, how much of that could have been spent to actually make some progress? You have people like SBC300, who actually built his own custom drag car... worldisgrand, who is an educated artist... and all the people with credible design and fabrication backgrounds at your disposal! USE THEM AND QUIT TRYING TO DO IT THE WRONG WAY. One of the signs of an intelligent human being is the ability to source the relevant information that was previously unknown. I noticed that you only respond to the people that negatively criticize you, but can't ask questions to the people who are trying to help you.

I'm not even interested in this anymore, because I know that nothing will come of it. Sorry to be a pessimist, but prove me wrong!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!1!111!1!!!!one

I smoke weed only periodically so that my brain doesnt get used to it and the other benefit is that a small amount gets me going. Doing this for 2 years, without weed I wouldnt have gotten as far as I have... sometime things just didnt get accomplished without it I always taken in advice and had someone told me to build a cnc machine from the start, my kit would have definitely been finished by now... but in these many years I have also seen thousands and thousands of car designs and hopefully my current one will make me lots of money

Hopefully WorldisGrand will share some of his art work in this thread so that we may criticize if he is an artist or not :p

[NolimitZ32]

^ this explains everything

[InfinitiEric]

Vigorous look……



He'll be stuck staring at this for the next two years muhahaha!!

[whiteknight52]

This isnt a new design. You just copied Austin Martin's design and since you cant afford one you are trying to make your 20 year old Nissan look like one. Should of left the Nissan stock. This is just ridiculous.

[VigorousZX]

In my previous design I just used the One-77's grill only, but if copying a grill makes a whole car a copy, then maybe Aston martin in reality copied Nissan and slapped their own iconic grill on it.


Also sorry to break your heart but the Z is a nice copied design of Ferrari because most people cant afford the real thing.



Whats funny is that my two early renders smashed together could be the child of my final design


But I also found out recently that the Ferrari Scaglietti resembles it closest of all cars.

[Mr93z32]

Dude, What the fling baby d!ck are you talking about? I don't get what your trying to say with the whole g37 aston martin thing?
As for the Ferrari and the 300, i don't see much resemblance,

Sir, You speak Bafoonaries!

[VigorousZX]

Its in response to whiteknight's claim that I straight copied an Aston, where I only copied its grill... point being with that terminology in this picture one can say Aston copied Nissan as a whole.


Also when the Ferrari in that picture is squeezed, it's basically the same as the Z, how you dont see the resemblance I baby d1cks dont know

[InfinitiEric]

You need to stop f*** around in Photoshop and actually get outside and use your hands and brain. And when I say brain, I'm not referring to one that under the influence of marijuana. If you can't muster up enough motivation or ideas when you aren't high on weed, then this business isn't for you. Find something that you can do honestly in your right mind.

I have a question - is this the only thing you've been working on for the past two years? Is this the only project that you can put your name to and feel a sense of accomplishment with? If you died tomorrow, would your tombstone read: "Vigorous: Spent two years designing nothing". Do you have anything else going for you? I sure hope so, for your own sake. For the amount of time you've managed to waste with this project you more than well could have gotten a degree or found yourself a woman and settled down. Instead, you have a yard full of s*** and a computer full of .jpg design files. Spend some time looking at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what you've accomplished in your life. I mean really, reflect on the past two years. If you have a sane mind and aren't high on weed, then you come to a conclusion that it's time to move on to a project or career that would be more profitable to your life.

[VigorousZX]

You need to stop f**king around in Photoshop and actually get outside and use your hands and brain. And when I say brain, I'm not referring to one that under the influence of marijuana. If you can't muster up enough motivation or ideas when you aren't high on weed, then this business isn't for you. Find something that you can do honestly in your right mind.

I have a question - is this the only thing you've been working on for the past two years? Is this the only project that you can put your name to and feel a sense of accomplishment with? If you died tomorrow, would your tombstone read: "Vigorous: Spent two years designing nothing". Do you have anything else going for you? I sure hope so, for your own sake. For the amount of time you've managed to waste with this project you more than well could have gotten a degree or found yourself a woman and settled down. Instead, you have a yard full of s*** and a computer full of .jpg design files. Spend some time looking at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what you've accomplished in your life. I mean really, reflect on the past two years. If you have a sane mind and aren't high on weed, then you come to a conclusion that it's time to move on to a project or career that would be more profitable to your life.

Not everyone has the same view point on accomplishment. With the skills that I think I have learned along the way, I can apply them to other business ventures. Sure I dont have any official papers to prove my skills, but I dont need to, I plan to always have my own business and not work for anyone.
I enjoy what I do, somethings are tedious and not everything turns out as planned, but I like my work and yes making this kit has taken most of my time for the last 3+ years.
I can get a menial job and search for a women who would like me for who I am, but finding one that is beautiful will be one hell of a challenge... I can imagine that these women have hundreds of guys to choose from... why would they even try to know a guy who has to run around most of the day to pay the bills when there are lots of rich guys, that may be as nice, to chose from.
By taking the long route and trying to start my own business Ill have a better chance of being successful.
This project has also taken a long time because Im kind of a perfectionist and that being low income brings about lots of obstacles, like making my own CNC machine.
I wonder what other members here can put on their tombstone if they died today... Rebuilt VG car engine? Put together 500rwhp car... I doubt anyone with lots of money would do these things with their own hands. Had I been born rich I could probably have my own kit car built from scratch in only a few months.

[A Paratroopers 300zx]

God... I love how everyone still thinks that money is the key to being successful! Most "rich" people are lonely and empty. Most "successful" people are surrounded by the people and things they love. You think a quality girl is going to really care about your financial situation? You have a lot to learn about the way the world works man.

Who really cares what their tomb stone would read? You'd be dead! Personally, I am satisfied with how my life is right now. If you aren't... F*CKING CHANGE IT! If you are really gonna sit here and complain about how you are a broke a$$ pot head that can't do anything of worth when not inebriated by a mind altering substance... You deserve everything you have. I f*cking hate people that just b*tch and b*tch, yet do jack to change it. It's laziness. Thank you for playing into your stereotype jacka$$. Damn, people are dumb.

[A Paratroopers 300zx]

I smoke weed only periodically so that my brain doesnt get used to it and the other benefit is that a small amount gets me going. Doing this for 2 years, without weed I wouldnt have gotten as far as I have... sometime things just didnt get accomplished without it I always taken in advice and had someone told me to build a cnc machine from the start, my kit would have definitely been finished by now... but in these many years I have also seen thousands and thousands of car designs and hopefully my current one will make me lots of money

Hopefully WorldisGrand will share some of his art work in this thread so that we may criticize if he is an artist or not :p

Once again, Vig. not actually addressing the fact that there are multiple people here willing to help him. If you want help, you can't just hope for them to add their knowledge. You have to ask them. It's called the art of conversation... it takes two to Tango, d!ck sneeze.

[VigorousZX]

Other then some Z information, I can find information about almost anything on the internet... so far my needs have been met, I just need to put this machine back together again.

God... I love how everyone still thinks that money is the key to being successful! Most "rich" people are lonely and empty. Most "successful" people are surrounded by the people and things they love. You think a quality girl is going to really care about your financial situation? You have a lot to learn about the way the world works man.

With society being tainted by corporate television as it is, a beautiful girl will know her worth and the luxuries in life that she can have. I would find it hard to believe that such a girl would struggle with a poor man to make ends meet, maybe 1 out of 100.

Who really cares what their tomb stone would read? You'd be dead! Personally, I am satisfied with how my life is right now. If you aren't... F*CKING CHANGE IT! If you are really gonna sit here and complain about how you are a broke a$$ pot head that can't do anything of worth when not inebriated by a mind altering substance... You deserve everything you have. I f*cking hate people that just b*tch and b*tch, yet do jack to change it. It's laziness. Thank you for playing into your stereotype jacka$$. Damn, people are dumb.

Im not dependent on weed, but it makes things that I dont like tolerable, like laying hazardous fiberglass or reshaping something for the 10th time.
Designing a car isnt simple when your broke and neither is having much of a social life. But my emphasis on having money is more due to the uncertainty in the environment that I live... where unless you've spent 10 hard years studying to get some master degree, the jobs out there will be dead ends as competition now will be spread over seas and the government isnt going to put tariffs on things to protect the home land, no, its all about the 2% rich getting richer, to make the middle class poor, and a goal to enslave the ones in poverty. Good luck changing ones financial security if you dont have much to begin with.