Vigor's kit thread

[300ZXttZMAN]

I agree that Vig should attempt his goals from a coach building perspective. Way to difficult to modify a unibody car properly.

This forum needed some entertainment, so it'll be open through the holidays, then I'm locking it again

No personal attacks or immature name calling, or I'll lock it right away. Civility.

Bye bye vig thread (after the holidays)

Good call T.

[TTkickedin]

This kit will be my first release and it needs to make me money, so far I'm planning for it to look like a $375000 car (copy), if you think that's hideous bodyworkthen you are in the minority of the general public's feeling.

good luck with that one. It will look like 50 cents and drive like it's a mack truck with the 100 pounds of bondo you plan to be slapping on. Not to mention your designs really don't look like 300k+ USD. they look like cars from Burnout Revenge, in all honesty.

In the general public maybe 10% would pay for a cheap LFA repilca looking car where only like .015% would pay the same money for a high horse power Nissan 300zx.

The general public does not consist solely of automotive enthusiasts. We (real enthusiasts) only make up a fraction of the general population. I don't know where your sources are for these figures, but they're way off:

30,700,655 which is 10% of the population of USA would want your LFA KNOCKOFF?



Also finding an investor to build my designs would be like finding a needle in a hay stack.

Well i guess that "In the general public maybe 10% would pay for a cheap LFA repilca looking car" doesn't apply then.

I dont have any money and I dont want to work at McDonalds or a gas station for 10 years to start one.

You could try getting a real education like 18 year olds do after high school ?

What you're doing is like taking a fiero and making a lamborghini out of it, and keeping the stock 4 cylinder. Everyone will laugh at you when they realise what it really is!
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/01/s ... /?pid=4544

Even a company cranking out knockoff supercars will increase power depending on the customer's budget. If you want to build a supercar, there's a reason why it's super, and it's not just because of its looks. See definition of supercar here:

Supercar: (n)- A term used most often to describe an expensive high end car. It has been defined specifically as, "a very expensive, fast or powerful car".[1] Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match", "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own."

If you want to build a REPLICA, REPLICATE what it is then.

[VigorousZX]

Lots of people would buy this beautifully sculpted and nice interior car for under 15 grand (I would charge more of course) if you put it in front of them. Who in their right mind would pass this up and buy/keep a regular Honda, Toyota or Ford instead?



But to show someone this idea and ask them to invest money into it is a whole different story.

[somebody5788]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice+

[bartZ32tt]

Lots of people would buy this beautifully sculpted and nice interior car for under 15 grand (I would charge more of course)

Not that I feel this thread deserves any more insight nor that any of it will get through to you, but your above statement is just comically ridiculous. Ofcourse "lots of people" would buy that $300k+ car for "under 15 grand"...HENCE why it's $300k+. Then you add "(I would charge more ofcourse)". Then wtf was the point of that statement?!

This thread is a huge marijuana-and-conspiracy-theory-induced pipe dream void of facts; but furnished by speculation and ill-informed nonsense. I'll consider it your Christmas gift to us of joy and laughter

[VigorousZX]

An already established business can buy Zeds at dirt cheap prices and mass sell converted replicas of the LFA all for under 15k and still profit. Just making my point that many people would buy that over a stock looking ZX with high horse power.

[TTkickedin]

Lots of people would buy this beautifully sculpted and nice interior car for under 15 grand (I would charge more of course) if you put it in front of them. Who in their right mind would pass this up and buy/keep a regular Honda, Toyota or Ford instead?



But to show someone this idea and ask them to invest money into it is a whole different story.

THATS A REAL LFA DUDE. Compare it to yours and THAT would be a different story.

Your stubbornness....And blatant disregard to reality.... is beginning to pinch the wrong nerve.

The difference between you and replica car manufaturers like factory five?
1. They don't halfass their work
2. They're fully prepared to do the work
3. They manufacture most of their own parts
4. Their products actually look good
5. They can PERFORM, unlike this incomplete idea of yours

The similarities between you and people that make lamborghini kit cars out of a fiero?

1. They often don't make the car perform
2. The design itself is usually way off despite hand crafting the s***
3. Doesn't perform

The differences between you and a ricer?

1. Nothing

In all honesty, you'll find a larger market in manufacturing frp/cf body parts than you will stealing grills and crap off astons, jag's, and lfa's. That's called being a copycat. That's taking tademarked designs and performing sacrilege to the manufacturers that create them. That's making yourself out to be a d-bag.

You've been on 10+ forums with you damn ideas and not once have made it successful. Beyond.ca wasn't, clublexus, civic forums, etc, 90% of the members don't like it. There's people that like the lfa kit idea but hate the fact that there's no performance involved, (wait till you tell them you won't be properly maintaining these cars either.)

Why don't you make knockoff barbie dolls instead of just coming here trying to "get us to invest" on something we all clearly despise?

[TTkickedin]

The technology of these cars is way beyond your level of education in the field. Ten bucks says you can't even come close to the lfa. You won't even be able to replicate those gauges of the Lfa, no cnc machine is gonna help with that. You'd be hard pressed to find someone that can and would be willing to.

Try even affording the in dash monitor. Or the high quality interior fabric and leather. I'd like to see you even begin developing the suspension setup necessary to make the thing driveable. Or getting a paddleshift setup correct. Getting a v10 in the damn front of the car so it can actually be close to the capability of the lfa.. Because right now, it seems as thought his thing might (loosely using this term) resemble a LFA, once a minivan pulls on you, or someone sees that the doorhandles aren't the LFA's mechanism, and the interior has distinct qualities of half-a**'ism, they will point and laugh.

The facts are evident, your idea is nothing more than child's play and more intangible than the crisis room of the white house.

[curtalcorn]

Honestly, you have the wrong idea for this kind of build. You're looking at the money side of it, and who are you presenting it to? J-body and Honda owners, which, aren't very known for a good taste in cars. A body kit isn't going to make the cars worth much more, if any. People don't want a garage built kit that's glued on and filled with fillers. If you want to do something like this, you want to make a plug to cast the ENTIRE fender, not some part that glues on. Not discouraging you, just offering my $0.02.

[nick1809]

if anything, this while thing will lead to more headache for EVERYONE. leave the rice to the hondas and cavaliers. keep it AWAY from this japanese work of art. in todays world, you cant just invent s*** outta the blue anymore. it takes experience, education, commitment, resources, etc. one guy with (being generous here) average skill with R&D and the actual physical concepts isnt going to come ANYWHERE close to big names. and if you cant come close to or beat big names, you FAIL. making everything you've worked SO hard for, WORTHLESS. so simply put, this is all a pipe dream. keep the Z original. dont like the design? sell it. and buy a car you DO like. as for this one, repair the damage that your sawzall has done, and drive it.

[somebody5788]

THATS A REAL LFA DUDE.

And I believe that's Paris Hilton driving it. I certainly could never own a car Paris Hilton would own.

[300ZXttZMAN]

Lots of people would buy this beautifully sculpted and nice interior car for under 15 grand (I would charge more of course)

Not that I feel this thread deserves any more insight nor that any of it will get through to you, but your above statement is just comically ridiculous. Ofcourse "lots of people" would buy that $300k+ car for "under 15 grand"...HENCE why it's $300k+. Then you add "(I would charge more ofcourse)". Then wtf was the point of that statement?!

This thread is a huge marijuana-and-conspiracy-theory-induced pipe dream void of facts; but furnished by speculation and ill-informed nonsense. I'll consider it your Christmas gift to us of joy and laughter

Haha yea I agree... ^

Vig your crazy.

[300ZXttZMAN]

THATS A REAL LFA DUDE.

And I believe that's Paris Hilton driving it. I certainly could never own a car Paris Hilton would own.

It is Paris Hilton.

The best part is that I think someone gave it to her as a gift....
I cant remember who and don't care to look it up.

BUT REALLY A GIFT????
WTF I guess LFA keys make good stocking stuffers.

[VigorousZX]

The LFA is an experience which the rich can afford, not a track car.

THATS A REAL LFA DUDE. Compare it to yours and THAT would be a different story.

Your stubbornness....And blatant disregard to reality.... is beginning to pinch the wrong nerve.

The difference between you and replica car manufaturers like factory five?
1. They don't halfass their work
2. They're fully prepared to do the work
3. They manufacture most of their own parts
4. Their products actually look good
5. They can PERFORM, unlike this incomplete idea of yours
8. Cost more then TTkickedin can afford.

The similarities between you and people that make lamborghini kit cars out of a fiero?

1. They often don't make the car perform
2. The design itself is usually way off despite hand crafting the s***
3. Doesn't perform
4. Can look identical and be attainable, unlike with the greater populace who will never own a car with super car curves in their life time.

The differences between you and a ricer?

1. Nothing

In all honesty, you'll find a larger market in manufacturing frp/cf body parts than you will stealing grills and crap off astons, jag's, and lfa's. That's called being a copycat. That's taking tademarked designs and performing sacrilege to the manufacturers that create them. That's making yourself out to be a d-bag.
The ZX was copied, you cant disprove that unless you have some kind of miracle concept sketch preceding that Ferrari. Now that you're informed, are you going to be that righteous man (the opposite of d-bag) you typed yourself to be, and not ride around in a wanna be looking Ferrari?


You've been on 10+ forums with you damn ideas and not once have made it successful. Beyond.ca wasn't, clublexus, civic forums, etc, 90% of the members don't like it. There's people that like the lfa kit idea but hate the fact that there's no performance involved, (wait till you tell them you won't be properly maintaining these cars either.)
People are sheep, just like when I finish my LFA look alike I just have to say "you know Paris Hilton owns one of these" to some streeters and the money will start flying in.

Why don't you make knockoff barbie dolls instead of just coming here trying to "get us to invest" on something we all clearly despise?
But its not finished yet, only when you see video of the car with girls heads turning while it passes... is when you'll realize that your stock Z is'nt cutting it with the wow factor anymore.

The technology of these cars is way beyond your level of education in the field. Ten bucks says you can't even come close to the lfa. You won't even be able to replicate those gauges of the Lfa, no cnc machine is gonna help with that. You'd be hard pressed to find someone that can and would be willing to.

Try even affording the in dash monitor. Or the high quality interior fabric and leather. I'd like to see you even begin developing the suspension setup necessary to make the thing driveable. Or getting a paddleshift setup correct. Getting a v10 in the damn front of the car so it can actually be close to the capability of the lfa.. Because right now, it seems as thought his thing might (loosely using this term) resemble a LFA, once a minivan pulls on you, or someone sees that the doorhandles aren't the LFA's mechanism, and the interior has distinct qualities of half-a**'ism, they will point and laugh.

The facts are evident, your idea is nothing more than child's play and more intangible than the crisis room of the white house.

The cost of this car will be in a competitive line with your general older Honda's, Toyota's and 5hit box Fords. If I wanted to market a replica to high end earners and I had capital, sure, that LFA screen could be outsources to india, high end materials used and a v10 installed.

Honestly, you have the wrong idea for this kind of build. You're looking at the money side of it, and who are you presenting it to? J-body and Honda owners, which, aren't very known for a good taste in cars. A body kit isn't going to make the cars worth much more, if any. People don't want a garage built kit that's glued on and filled with fillers. If you want to do something like this, you want to make a plug to cast the ENTIRE fender, not some part that glues on. Not discouraging you, just offering my $0.02.

I dont think one even needs to be a car enthusiast to appreciate the nice smooth body of the LFA, its as if a large rock was withered down over a billion years design.
The way I plan to make the panels and ends of the car are by creating a large ground pit and heating plastic to form over my cnc carved piece.

if anything, this while thing will lead to more headache for EVERYONE. leave the rice to the hondas and cavaliers. keep it AWAY from this japanese work of art. in todays world, you cant just invent s*** outta the blue anymore. it takes experience, education, commitment, resources, etc. one guy with (being generous here) average skill with R&D and the actual physical concepts isnt going to come ANYWHERE close to big names. and if you cant come close to or beat big names, you FAIL. making everything you've worked SO hard for, WORTHLESS. so simply put, this is all a pipe dream. keep the Z original. dont like the design? sell it. and buy a car you DO like. as for this one, repair the damage that your sawzall has done, and drive it.

I'll gamble to make the first affordable LFA kit and use a Z because its the best donor. I would like to see what marketing researcher would have to say because my idea has no competition and should always sell if the price is right.

edit, some videos
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NceAhR0xSg8[/youtube]

Interior and rear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2mUZaBPAnQ

Compared to the Ferrari 599
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYTWt9C77WE

[NolimitZ32]

The hell you say?!



Vig, best of luck to you, let me know when you make your first 20k, FYI I wont be holding my breath.

[TTkickedin]

That's it. There's no getting through to this guy. His frontal lobe has been burned, chopped, and screwed since the first blunt.

Vig do whatever the f*ck you want, but keep the sh*t off these forums. Nobody here even wants to hear about it, and nobody evens wants it here, CLEARLY. If this page doesn't give you a clue as to what you SHOULD be doing with your time, (rather than d!ck around making a 20 year old car something it's not and expect to get rich off of,) I honestly don't know what will. Maybe some common sense. By the looks of it though, if you haven't got the point by 7 YEARS, i think you've just gone psycho...

http://www.ricerforums.com/

^ Your new home to your backyard bondo box.

I have to take a virgorous dump, should I just take it on my z? No need for wiping, that's what the interior is for right?

-us Go for it, lets see your design.

"well, i wan teh zee teh look like EL EF AYz."



"No brah i got dat cnc machine. i can do it up like a lfa, my design is better anyway. blah blah blah CNC blah PLASTIC blah blah BONDO more blah MARKET blah customers blah blah blah."

- i think he missed the part where we all say we hate it. All show no go = FAIL

"AHH... well blah blah supercar blah blah blah beauty blah LINES CURVES blah blah blah blah honda acura nissan honday chevy the d's will never get me. THis proves that i'LL GET CUSTOMERZ."

-

"But its not finished yet, only when you see video of the car with girls heads turning while it passes...( ) is when you'll realize that your stock Z is'nt cutting it with the wow factor anymore.

Seriously. He sounds more like Borat every day. teh p**** magnet! I NEEDS TO MAKE IT!! lol what about when a female auto enthusiast sees it, and trolls you. THAt, would amaze me, not this piece of sh*t. I'm happy witht he way the z looks, and quite frankly, even if i had the money, i STILL wouldn't buy a supercar. I'd have several cars. and they would all be faster than a lfa.

^this is what I interpret a Vigorous zx argument to consist of..

[300ZXttZMAN]

I have to take a virgorous dump, should I just take it on my z? No need for wiping, that's what the interior is for right?

-us Go for it, lets see your design.

"well, i wan teh zee teh look like EL EF AYz."



"No brah i got dat cnc machine. i can do it up like a lfa, my design is better anyway. blah blah blah CNC blah PLASTIC blah blah BONDO more blah MARKET blah customers blah blah blah."

- i think he missed the part where we all say we hate it. All show no go = FAIL

"AHH... well blah blah supercar blah blah blah beauty blah LINES CURVES blah blah blah blah honda acura nissan honday chevy the d's will never get me. THis proves that i'LL GET CUSTOMERZ."

-

"But its not finished yet, only when you see video of the car with girls heads turning while it passes...( ) is when you'll realize that your stock Z is'nt cutting it with the wow factor anymore.

Seriously. He sounds more like Borat every day. teh p**** magnet! I NEEDS TO MAKE IT!! lol what about when a female auto enthusiast sees it, and trolls you. THAt, would amaze me, not this piece of sh*t. I'm happy witht he way the z looks, and quite frankly, even if i had the money, i STILL wouldn't buy a supercar. I'd have several cars. and they would all be faster than a lfa.

^this is what I interpret a Vigorous zx argument to consist of..

LOL

[randOmcLamsheLL]

y not just keep it simple and design maybe just a lip or something? no intent to troll at all, i joined this forum like 2 years ago, and since then with no knowledge whatsoever, took apart and de-riced for 1st Z, bought a parts Z, bought a TT and learn how to compression test a motor and did it to see that it was shot to s***, got another Z, learned a plenum pull, EGR delete, learned how to run codes and read them properly, learned to drive a stick, and become a total Z nut..now im not showing myself up in any way cuz i know im still a total n00b to the Z, point being i made progress since i joined here..all i have seen from you are photoshopped pictures and your "plans"..get your game face on vig..step it up or step off. u need to be realistic about this..you bit off WAYYY more than you can chew with this

[TTkickedin]

Vig, maybe you need to take some classes http://www.dericethai.com/

I'm sure they can de-rice you.

[300ZXttZMAN]

[TTkickedin]

You've put new parts in it but there are lots of other aging parts... the thought of breaking down can be stressful and when you factor in the chances of snow, I wouldnt want it myself as a daily driver.

If you made this statement, and don't plan to do any maintenance on these "cheap as dirt" z32's you plan on selling, why start with a z as a base anyway? Why do this to any car this old.

How about you invest in your education and save up for a lfa/aston/ferrari instead of endorsing copycatting.

And manufacturers copycat BASIC/general ideas, they don't go off directly taking aston martin grilles or making replicas of existing cars unless they are explicitly paying for those copyrighted designs. You are copycatting blatantly, much like the chinese manufacturers do.

Don't believe me, what car looks exactly like the z32? what cars are you trying to mimick? Your argument is invalid.

[300ZXttZMAN]

^ EPIC

[VigorousZX]

The hell you say?!
DId I offend with my Ferrari comments

Vig, best of luck to you, let me know when you make your first 20k, FYI I wont be holding my breath.

Thanks

http://www.ricerforums.com/

, members that hate the idea of my conversion kit dont have to click in here to see whats going on.
Cool ricer site btw.

y not just keep it simple and design maybe just a lip or something? no intent to troll at all, i joined this forum like 2 years ago, and since then with no knowledge whatsoever, took apart and de-riced for 1st Z, bought a parts Z, bought a TT and learn how to compression test a motor and did it to see that it was shot to s***, got another Z, learned a plenum pull, EGR delete, learned how to run codes and read them properly, learned to drive a stick, and become a total Z nut..now im not showing myself up in any way cuz i know im still a total n00b to the Z, point being i made progress since i joined here..all i have seen from you are photoshopped pictures and your "plans"..get your game face on vig..step it up or step off. u need to be realistic about this..you bit off WAYYY more than you can chew with this

You would have saved yourself lots of trouble man if you just bought a low mileage Z or had someone else do the repair work. But I think it comes down to money at the end of the day. If I had lots of money I'd just lay down $8,000 and buy a CNC machine the same size Im making now to cut foam, but I dont have any cash so I have to take the long route and it will all pay off at the end.

If you made this statement, and don't plan to do any maintenance on these "cheap as dirt" z32's you plan on selling, why start with a z as a base anyway? Why do this to any car this old.

You probably know this but putting money and time into maintenance before reselling a used car is not going to get its full invested money back. There are probably 1000 300zx craiglist ads out now where most of the cars have some known or unknown problems... would you message those sellers and ask them to repair any problems before they sold their Z?
If I buy a mint Z for top dollar, Im going to flip it for more. Im not going to resell a broken Z for the same price of selling a clean Z. The price will reflect how much the donor cost me and how much I want to add for the kit.
Why do this to any old car? I wont go into the details of designing cars but if you know of any donors that are affordable for the regular working man and would fit the slick LFA, I would like to see it.

How about you invest in your education and save up for a lfa/aston/ferrari instead of endorsing copycatting.

This is unrealistic, I doubt anyone on the whole of Nico forums will ever be able to afford a 300k car unless they have rich parents to fund them in some kind of business. Might a lawyer or doctor emerge from the members of this forum, they still wouldnt buy an overly priced exotic, and if they do, they'd probably take 30 years to pay it off.

And manufacturers copycat BASIC/general ideas, they don't go off directly taking aston martin grilles or making replicas of existing cars unless they are explicitly paying for those copyrighted designs. You are copycatting blatantly, much like the chinese manufacturers do.

Don't believe me, what car looks exactly like the z32? what cars are you trying to mimick? Your argument is invalid.

I have lots of favorite car designs, I get influence from lots of them... this is how cars are designed, no one comes up with a whole car design that at-least doest hint shapes that have already been made before.
Nissan has been copying Ferrari's almost blatantly for decades, even the first Z was a copy.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6918/vvvvvvzxc1.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/35n58c0.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/4v1d83.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/2wdpxmb.jpg


These leaked pictures from last week are what the new Lexus concept is suppose to look like... pretty close to my Vigor kit I have to say.

[TTkickedin]

These leaked pictures from last week are what the new Lexus concept is suppose to look like... pretty close to my Vigor kit I have to say.

Nowhere close to your vigor kit. performance wise also the farthest thing from your vigor kit.

And I think somewhere you mentioned manufacturers don't make beautiful affordable cars, right? Well, they have, and you're actually ruining one of them. In case you didn't know.

Your idea probably would've had much more success when fast and furious 1 came out. But the industry has changed. If cars don't have performance, and is marketed as a sports car, nobody is going to buy it. Seriously, no matter how you market it, or repeat your idea, you're only further convincing yourself, and nobody else of the success of this blatant fallacy.

I'll give you a limited amount of props if you put some go behind the 100 pounds of added show, but until then, this idea fails.. it's gonna have 200 horsepower (realistically 180-160 if poorly maintained, which it is.) who in their right mind would ever buy that?

For example, take a look at the classifieds, name the top 5 items that sell. Are they custom bodykits?
fs-1990-300zxtt-600hp-t540589.html 600hp z32, people WANT to buy it. Not once has anybody said theyd buy your z, and that's probably becaus eyou don't want to make it have the power that matches its looks.

We're really only trying to steer you away from a route that will ultimately put you in debt for no good reason. You might sell one, but getting to the point of mass producing the kit, good luck with that.

[NolimitZ32]

No you didn't offend me, "The hell you say?!" was because most of the time I just can't comprehend what comes out of your mouth/keyboard, its like you speak a different (stoned) language and even a baked Chong can't understand you. And was referring to your reference about Ferrari: if you did your homework you would know that the Z32 was NOT copied from the Testarossa or the 512 but was designed by the same guy that headed Ferrari's design division during the development of the Testarossa and partnership with Pininfarina in the early 80s.

[VigorousZX]

Thats an interesting fact and that guy could even be the actual designer of all the Ferrari's copied but it's still replicating another companies products. Could be that after a certain number of years pass, designs could be legally copied but i dont mind what Nissan did, just to show TTkickedin that the Z and Nissan were following Ferrari car design trends.

These leaked pictures from last week are what the new Lexus concept is suppose to look like... pretty close to my Vigor kit I have to say.

Nowhere close to your vigor kit. performance wise also the farthest thing from your vigor kit.
You dont see the resemblance... you might enjoy this stretched out 4 door Zed then


And I think somewhere you mentioned manufacturers don't make beautiful affordable cars, right? Well, they have, and you're actually ruining one of them. In case you didn't know.
Taking inflation into account the Z was over 50k and if you buy one these days owners tend to call them money pits.

Your idea probably would've had much more success when fast and furious 1 came out. But the industry has changed. If cars don't have performance, and is marketed as a sports car, nobody is going to buy it. Seriously, no matter how you market it, or repeat your idea, you're only further convincing yourself, and nobody else of the success of this blatant fallacy.
Blatant fallacy is saying no one would buy a LFA looking replica, a car that most people will say looks better then a Z.

I'll give you a limited amount of props if you put some go behind the 100 pounds of added show, but until then, this idea fails.. it's gonna have 200 horsepower (realistically 180-160 if poorly maintained, which it is.) who in their right mind would ever buy that?
Someone who appreciates automotive art.

For example, take a look at the classifieds, name the top 5 items that sell. Are they custom bodykits?
fs-1990-300zxtt-600hp-t540589.html 600hp z32, people WANT to buy it. Not once has anybody said theyd buy your z, and that's probably becaus eyou don't want to make it have the power that matches its looks.
Someone who appreciates automotive art would buy it

We're really only trying to steer you away from a route that will ultimately put you in debt for no good reason. You might sell one, but getting to the point of mass producing the kit, good luck with that.
I dont see how I would get in debt or have problems mass producing the kit if the demand was there.

[NolimitZ32]

Vig, everything you have done so far is absolutely the farthest thing from automotive art, you took a Monet, threw purple paint on it then called it a Picasso. NO!!!! you are dreaming if you think you can market this monstrosity you call a LFA replica and you're dreaming even more when you think you can produce this car without getting a call from Toyota's Legal Department.

[VigorousZX]

Well the kit will be at-least 10% different from the LFA which should make it legal to sell and if they still come after me my corporate legal "persons" wont own anything for them to take anyway.

The kit could double as an LFA replica if certain panels and the lights from the 2012 Toyota are made into it.


My current render is still rough, I still have some designing to do and to incorporate the rear Z lights also.

[300ZXttZMAN]

Vig, everything you have done so far is absolutely the farthest thing from automotive art, you took a Monet, threw purple paint on it then called it a Picasso. NO!!!! you are dreaming if you think you can market this monstrosity you call a LFA replica and you're dreaming even more when you think you can produce this car without getting a call from Toyota's Legal Department.

y not just keep it simple and design maybe just a lip or something? no intent to troll at all, i joined this forum like 2 years ago, and since then with no knowledge whatsoever, took apart and de-riced for 1st Z, bought a parts Z, bought a TT and learn how to compression test a motor and did it to see that it was shot to s***, got another Z, learned a plenum pull, EGR delete, learned how to run codes and read them properly, learned to drive a stick, and become a total Z nut..now im not showing myself up in any way cuz i know im still a total n00b to the Z, point being i made progress since i joined here..all i have seen from you are photoshopped pictures and your "plans"..get your game face on vig..step it up or step off. u need to be realistic about this..you bit off WAYYY more than you can chew with this

[BigTDogg (MA)]

There has never been a better anti-weed campaign than everything that VigorousZX types.

I don't even think it's weed though, has to be crack to make him think like that.