The Official Election Thread

[Nathan]

Too loosely quote someone I heard recently: Theresa Heinz Kerry has the money of a small country and the class of a white trash hooker. I consider that pretty accurate. If anything is more telling than Kerry's back and forth record, its his terrible choice in a wife, she would be an embarassment and a liability as first lady.

[MaineExport]

Quote »"fox news being the fairest of the news networks.....BUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Now thats comedy people!!!!!!![/quote]Well, back up that insightful comment with some evidence.

Remember, they never claimed to be unbiased; they make more of an effort than any other mainstream news source (that I've encountered anyway) to provide more than their own slanted view on things.

So, either keep the pointless argumentative posts to yourself (to avoid getting a good thread closed) or bring on some evidence to refute their claim.

[JustinStrife]

fox news being the fairest of the news networks.....BUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Now thats comedy people!!!!!!!

Ummm okay then who is the fairest? Care to tell us oh wise one?

[f1seb]

Do a google on Rupert Murdoch and be enlightened, but then I need to ask you have you ever watched The Factor or the Hannity and Colmes shows? And then after you do watch it please come back here and tell me that fox is still the fairest. And as far as me knowing who is the fairest, I don't know, but I do like to read what BBC writes.

[base9se]

Ummm okay then who is the fairest? Care to tell us oh wise one?

Al-Jazeera?

[w1ngzer0]

damn NM hicks hurry up already shesh. You have less people then arizona and you can't turn in your votes lol.

But bush is back on the horsey :P

Well i am going to bed. If kerry wins, I am going to start packing.

[MaineExport]

Do a google on Rupert Murdoch and be enlightened, but then I need to ask you have you ever watched The Factor or the Hannity and Colmes shows? And then after you do watch it please come back here and tell me that fox is still the fairest. And as far as me knowing who is the fairest, I don't know, but I do like to read what BBC writes.

I know all about Rupert, and obviously I have watched those shows. Bill is a very biased man. AGAIN... in case you missed it the first two times... no one ever accused them of being UNBIASED. Hannity is also very conservative and biased... and his partner on the show is VERY liberal and biased. AGAIN... in case you missed it the first three times... no one ever accused them of being unbiased!!!

They bring forth EDUCATED, INFORMED, AND WELL SPOKEN people from both sides and present a "balanced" program. No other news media source that I know of does as much to ensure this fair representation of the issues.

The BBC has it's own biases.

Oh, and at 12:42am... Fox News Channel reports that Bush takes Ohio. If this holds true... looks like it's over for Kerry!!! I'll quietly keep my fingers crossed.

[f1seb]

Well if you know all about Rupert Murdoch then you should know why you should retract that statement about Fox being the fairest. And as for all the news networks, they all have educated and overeducated people. Fox isn't special in that category.

[fiznat]

I want to know what everyone really sees in bush. I keep hearing people say that he's "stronger" and a "good leader" and all that... but does anyone have any better reason than "oh he's going to protect our country" or some BS like that?

Seriously, where is Bush ahead in economics, where is he better in health care or tax rates for the middle class (read: MOST OF US HERE)? I can (sorta) see how people feel comforted with the whole terrorism/homeland security thing (even though I think it's trumpd up to make people scared), but where do you bush supporters see the president stand on domestic issues that matter as much if not more??

Not trying to antagonize here, I'm really just trying to find out why SO MANY people voted for this guy.

[base9se]

C'mon OHIO, who's it gonna be. I need to go to sleep dangit!

[Jesda]

I think its over.

[Nathan]

I want to know what everyone really sees in bush. I keep hearing people say that he's "stronger" and a "good leader" and all that... but does anyone have any better reason than "oh he's going to protect our country" or some BS like that?

Seriously, where is Bush ahead in economics, where is he better in health care or tax rates for the middle class (read: MOST OF US HERE)? I can (sorta) see how people feel comforted with the whole terrorism/homeland security thing (even though I think it's trumpd up to make people scared), but where do you bush supporters see the president stand on domestic issues that matter as much if not more??

Not trying to antagonize here, I'm really just trying to find out why SO MANY people voted for this guy.

I think a lot of it is people voting for the character of the man. For me, I stand with Bush on most issues, but certainly not all. However, when it comes down to first impressions, and gut feelings...I just plain trust Bush more. I cant put my finger on it, but with Kerry, there is just something "off" about him to me. Its one of those gut feeling things, and it is very important to me. I have a feeling I'm not the only one who has reservations about Kerry based solely upon gut feelings.

[KDashy]

One more state and its over.

[jdmfreak]

And Bush gets Ohio!

[base9se]

too close to call says CBS

[gabossie]

Well. looks like after 4 years of terror, the people want more. I don't understand it, but I'll respect it, lets all just try to keep the sore loosing and sore winning to a minimum.

[cd1921]

one more state and Bush gets it. or Kerry has to win the rest of the states to tie it..

Bush wins... its over!!!!!!!!!!

[fiznat]

Nathan, a gut feeling that you trust bush?

What about all the shady questions that surround him? Sure I know you beleive we should have gone into Iraq- but do you deny COMPLETELY the fact that bush may have wanted to in the 1st place for other reasons, and used 9/11/al queda/the saddam "threat" as an excuse? Sure he might not have, you probably beleive not-- but there's no "gut feeling" about that? It doesnt strike ANY off tone with you?

...What about Bush's tax cut? A tax break that supports mainly the top 10% incomes in the U.S., touted to be passed only to "stimulate the economy" (which it obviously DIDNT)- RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR?? Bush was asking for money from congress and spending it at the same time giving it back to the rich elite--- that doesnt bother your gut at all?

The fact that MOST people who voted for Kerry did so because THEY didnt trust bush? If bush is such an upstanding character, why dont all THOSE people trust him? Are they just wrong, their guts dont work so well?

I donno... again I'm not trying to antagonize, just trying to understand where bush supporters are coming from. They say he stands for all this moral stamina and trustworthyness, and I just dont see it at All.

Guess it doesnt really matter now that the votes are in, but I'd still like to hear it--- we're all going to be forced to get a little more comfy with bush for the next 4 years...

Oh and dude my AIM is acting wacko--- didja get a chance to get those parts out to me yet? Email me: [email protected] or post here....

[JustinStrife]

Disregard this post as for some reason my laptop sent it out before I could put down what I wished to say. read the long windy post after this one

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[JustinStrife]

Nathan, a gut feeling that you trust bush?

What about all the shady questions that surround him? Sure I know you beleive we should have gone into Iraq- but do you deny COMPLETELY the fact that bush may have wanted to in the 1st place for other reasons, and used 9/11/al queda/the saddam "threat" as an excuse? Sure he might not have, you probably beleive not-- but there's no "gut feeling" about that? It doesnt strike ANY off tone with you?

...What about Bush's tax cut? A tax break that supports mainly the top 10% incomes in the U.S., touted to be passed only to "stimulate the economy" (which it obviously DIDNT)- RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR?? Bush was asking for money from congress and spending it at the same time giving it back to the rich elite--- that doesnt bother your gut at all?

The fact that MOST people who voted for Kerry did so because THEY didnt trust bush? If bush is such an upstanding character, why dont all THOSE people trust him? Are they just wrong, their guts dont work so well?

I donno... again I'm not trying to antagonize, just trying to understand where bush supporters are coming from. They say he stands for all this moral stamina and trustworthyness, and I just dont see it at All.

Guess it doesnt really matter now that the votes are in, but I'd still like to hear it--- we're all going to be forced to get a little more comfy with bush for the next 4 years...

Oh and dude my AIM is acting wacko--- didja get a chance to get those parts out to me yet? Email me: [email protected] or post here....

I disagree with almost everything you said fiznat. lmao but i'll try and tackle them one at a time. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO IRAQ. we didn't finish the job in the first gulf war. Sadam had been bucking the U.N. for 12 years and 17 resolutions. He was a hair trigger. Everybody I've talked to who has served over in Iraq says he had WMD's and that they skipped over to Syria and Iran. Regardless of whether you believe we should be there though, we are there now. And we have to finish the job we started. Pulling out is not an option. France and Germany WILL NOT send troops in even if Kerry is elected. The troops do not want a change in leadership especially now of all times.

as for the tax cuts. The rich are what do the most hiring. Or at least your definition of the rich. The majority of jobs come from corporations and big money. It's a fact of life. As it is not the job of the government to supply you and I with jobs. We're in a capitalist society not a communist or social society. As for trusting Bush over Kerry. Kerry flipflops on EVERY freaking issue. You want to vote for a guy who has no stance? It's your vote. I at least know what I'm getting.

Last thing. Bush supports the military. Kerry does not. I have ALOT of facts to prove this if you want to hear them. Nuff' said.

[Nathan]

You know your one of my favorite Kerry supporters right Foster? hehe...as for your parts, it looks like they'll leave for you on thursday, I wont be able to do it tomorrow and the Jeep is having problems I'll have to let you listen to the new noise its making, I recorded it...rather hideous. Back to the topic, all the Iraq business doesn't bother me. You are correct in assuming that I think highly enough of Bush to believe that he went in thinking there were WMD's and all that jazz. Even if we went in for oil...good, I want cheaper gas dammit! As for the tax cut, the economy seems to be doing fine, although I'm not too informed about it (the joys of being a poor college student eh? I just dont really care...my family is employed and thats what counts). Besides, truth be told I wish we'd go to a flat tax system, it just makes soooo much more sense. Yet again, its just that gut feeling...it doesn't hurt that my church was started by Bush's home church...my minister knows him, my mom is friends with someone who babysat the twins, its like he's practically family man! Besides, he's from Texas

[DeathBy240SX]

edited by 90Q45blue...you can't say that.

[JustinStrife]

God I hope not.

[gabossie]

While that sounds like a novel idea, just remember who's behind him. I hate Bush, but the last thing I want is d!ck running the country...

[fiznat]

I disagree with almost everything you said fiznat. lmao but i'll try and tackle them one at a time. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO IRAQ. we didn't finish the job in the first gulf war. Sadam had been bucking the U.N. for 12 years and 17 resolutions. He was a hair trigger. Everybody I've talked to who has served over in Iraq says he had WMD's and that they skipped over to Syria and Iran.

Maybe. But if all that is completely obvious and plain, why didnt the UN itself agree? He probably DID have WMDs that were moved over to Iran, he definetly WAS a bad guy who murdered his own people and could have proven to be a potential threat down the road. ....But since when has that been enough to go ahead and march right in? The UN didnt think it was enough-- and even if it was -on some rediculious moral army model- how come we havnt marched on to "fix" other problems around the planet? There are LOTS AND LOTS of "moral monsters" kickin' it in other countries, why isnt bush looking there also? ....and as far as reducing a terrorlst threat to the U.S, you dont kill terrorism by cutting off the snake's head (Saddam)--- U.S. Intelligence KNOWS this. There is no doubt in my mind that we've created more enemies than friends over there, and taking saddam out will only delay - not prevent.

Quote »Regardless of whether you believe we should be there though, we are there now. And we have to finish the job we started. Pulling out is not an option. France and Germany WILL NOT send troops in even if Kerry is elected. [/quote]I agree completely. We made the mess, we are now obligated to fix it.

Quote »The troops do not want a change in leadership especially now of all times.[/quote]If you want to start taking advice from the army, why not ask them? I bet 99.999% of them will say "get me the **** out of here." Not exactly relevant.

Quote »as for the tax cuts. The rich are what do the most hiring. Or at least your definition of the rich. The majority of jobs come from corporations and big money. It's a fact of life. As it is not the job of the government to supply you and I with jobs. We're in a capitalist society not a communist or social society.[/quote]...And yet the tax cuts still failed to stimulate the economy and produce jobs. This was the result predicted by MANY MANY finantial analysits at the time that the cuts were being considered. The tax cut plan was simply not economically sound: it did not work. Bush must have been well informed of the outlook of his plans: and if he wasnt, that's even worse. In light of the abundance of information that was presented to him that contradicted his tax cut plan, what other reasons can you attribuite to him going through with it other than more personal - less honerable- reasons?

Quote »As for trusting Bush over Kerry. Kerry flipflops on EVERY freaking issue. You want to vote for a guy who has no stance? It's your vote. I at least know what I'm getting. [/quote]True enough. My point is that I dislike bush so much that I'm even willing to go with the wild card. At least Kerry hasnt already proven himself unfit.

Quote »Last thing. Bush supports the military. Kerry does not. I have ALOT of facts to prove this if you want to hear them. Nuff' said. [/quote]"Supporting the military" is an incredibly broad thing to say. We have to decide how much money we want to devote to those ends-- simply wanting to spend less does not mean Kerry "does not support" our defense (offense? cough.)-- it means - to me - that he has other priorities, other places to spend money. I can respect that.

[Nathan]

Hey Foster, have any friends in the military? I have a few...both of them are fine with being in Iraq, and one is happy about it.

[fiznat]

Yep. 3 Marines, 2 of them want to get the hell out, the other one likes it --- but he's crazy man haha.

current electoral votes:bush: 249 kerry: 242

Wow. Come onnnnnnnnnnn Ohio!

[Jesda]

Finishing election night with a pint of Guinness. Wheeee!

[90Q45blue]

99% of the precints reporting in Ohio and Bush is up by 140,000 votes. They are estimating that right now there are 76,000 provisional ballots and as many as 200,000 total after they wait 10 days for mailed ones to come in. This means that Kerry would have to virtually win all the provisional ballots, assuming they are all counted.

Ergo, I say Bush has won the election.

Nick

[gabossie]

I'm still not sure how anyone could end tonight happy, regardless of who wins. Bush has not been a good president, Kerry would not be a very good president. It was a battle of ****heads, where we loose either way. Oh well... it's only 4 years...