The Official Election Thread

[silkk]

4 more years..

[Radian]

Uh, ignorance is lack of knowledge. So you mean to tell me if I asked you questions about Bush's stance on any issue out there, you can answer them?

And I don't see how someone who can lie and not admit fault can be considered moral and trustworthy. Maybe I was just raised differently.

And again my first question remains unanswered.

Vicki you are thinking about it wrong. You are assuming that people in the united states are critical thinkers with the skills (and desire) to laboriously go though each issue, research it, and determine each candidates stance.Most people don't care that much and just go on their 'gut feeling'.

In ohio 24% of voters said that morality was the single most important issue. 21% said the economy an 15% with with Terrorism.

What does morality mean to those people? Religion, gay rights, stem cell research, abortion. Basically they chose the candidate that would help them forcably impose their belifs on other people.

Sad but true.

Ron Suskind (senior national affairs reporter for the WSJ) summed it up well in a NYTs article on the faith-based presidancy:

">>And for those who don't get it? That was explained to me in>>late 2002 by Mark McKinnon, a longtime senior media adviser>>to Bush, who now runs his own consu lting firm and helps the>>president. He started by challenging me. ''You think he's>>an idiot, don't you?'' I said, no, I didn't. ''No, you do,>>all of you do, up and down the West Coast, the East Coast,>>a few blocks in southern Manhattan called Wall Street. Let>>me clue you in. We don't care. You see, you're outnumbered>>2 to 1 by folks in the big, wide middle of America, busy>>working people who don't read The New York Times or>>Washington Post or The L.A. Times. And you know what they>>like? They like the way he walks and the way he points, the>>way he exudes confidence. They have faith in him. And when>>you attack him for his malaprops, his jumbled syntax, it's>>good for us. Because you know what those folks don't like?>>They don't like you!'' In this instance, the final ''you,''>>of course, meant the entire reality-based community."

Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10...4da28

I live in San Francisco. I'm going to stay in my liberal bubble where gay marrige is legal, pot is legal, and the green party had candidates elected to the board of supervisors.

In a way it is good that Bush got reelected. He will shoulder complete responsibility for the quagmire in Iraq (among so many other issues) and the 100,000 + people that have already died as a result.

[Jesda]

I support gay marriage, but it was voted down in California, in case you forgot.

[MaineExport]

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As a republican I am glad things turned out the way they did. BUT, I'm not gloating or happy about the fact that others are upset.

The fact that some people are upset that Bush won is not something I take comfort in. I hate to speculate, but had the tables been turned and Kerry won, I imagine there would be a lot of "rubbing it in" going on. This is particularly evident by the immature manner in which some of our members are handling the defeat of their candidate.

You don't have to like Bush, you don't have to be happy about the results, and you don't have to just take your licks and move on... but to whine and complain about "four more years of doom and gloom blah blah blah" is just immature and unnecessary.

[fiznat]

sigh. I really hope all you bush supporters are right. You place your trust in him where I really see him as someone willing to minipulate with fear and money to get what he wants.

Still, I hope you guys are right- for the sake of all of us.

With an election this close, Bush should do what Kennedy did, and include some democratic members in his cabinet. Give the other guys just a little bit of ground, and be dignified about it. Seems to make sense to me.

[Radian]

Do you think Bush will put democrats in positions of power? With the dogma that Bush's administration perpetuates it seems doubtful to me that he will. Bush won't hear from people in his own party that disagree with him. Unquestioning loyalty is rewarded and view straying from his are swiftly punished. I would be very, very surprised if Bush would make a move like that.

[BuudWeizErr]

unbelivable.

this country never ceases to amaze me. how anybody can vote for bush i will never understand.i propose a new vote. california seceding from the union. let all the half wits east of california do whatever they want. Let them have fun with THEIR president whos singlehandedly destroying the country.

this is actually a reall good picture, too bad being part of canada is not an option.maybe in 12 months the rest of the country will realize what they've done by electing him again. or maybe after we're attacked again.

[Jesda]

Im thinking about starting a charity fund for angry Americans seeking political asylum in Canada, to help pay for their relocation expenses.

One less Democrat in America is one less Democratic voter.

[The Mic]

I hope there is a draft, that'd be a gut-check for the country and could give us buyer's remorse

[SoCalS14]

What does morality mean to those people? Religion, gay rights, stem cell research, abortion. Basically they chose the candidate that would help them forcably impose their belifs on other people.

Sad but true.

Right on...the bible belt can kiss my a$$!!!

[Nathan]

Well whoopee here's to 4 more years of me not having medical insurance

And who's fault is that? I'm guessing its oh wait...YOURS. This mentality is what I hate most, it is NOT the governments job to watch out for you, its yours...if you have wants needs and desires then ****ing go out and get them yourself. As for what I agree with Bush on (for Vicki) its the following: Abortion (although I take a firmer stand then he does...NO abortion is right in my mind), foreign policy (we ARE the foremost power in the world, its only right we act so), defense (the more the merrier in my mind), stem cell research (I only agree with using stem cells or fetuses allready in existence, NOT creating more for further research), gay marriage (I'm against anything that gives gays more rights...that means they get more tax breaks and that means the government will eventually come looking towards us good straight people for a little more money, I dont want my money supporting butt sex dammit!), most of the other issues that bush supports I have little knowledge of and dont particularly care about. Just to make you feel better, I DO disagree with him on a few things: department of homeland security (really, do we need ANOTHER security agency? We need a massive restructuring and slimming down of our security agencies) and the patriot act (its a time-bomb waiting to go off imo).

[fiznat]

Do you think Bush will put democrats in positions of power? With the dogma that Bush's administration perpetuates it seems doubtful to me that he will.

It seems doubtful to me as well, even though it might be a smarter thing to do to help depolorize this stupid country. ...Although with that quote you posted, it doesnt seem that he'd really be all that interested in that either.

I'm really angry with the Democratic party for not putting up a better canidate. I realise everything is easier in hindsight, but the most widely heard quote around the country before yesterday was "I dont really like kerry, but I guess I'll vote for him just because I dont like bush." Obviously that strategy didnt work: simply "I'm not the other guy" is not an effective campeign to run on, and I'm really upset that the D party felt it could relax and just ride that wave on up to Capitol Ave.

Once again, Democratic idealism is beaten by the real world emotional/manipulative/numbers game that the Republicans play. When are we going to wake the hell up?

...Maybe with Edwards in 2008? Jeez...

[fiznat]

Holy **** nathan. I could probably write 10 paragraphs arguing with you on every point you made but jeez... I think just an astounded "holy ****" can cover it for now... wow

oh and btw thursday is cool , email me a tracking # when you get it!

[skydragoness]

I hope there is a draft, that'd be a gut-check for the country and could give us buyer's remorse

Ditto. Nothing like a draft to change people's minds.

unbelivable.

this country never ceases to amaze me. how anybody can vote for bush i will never understand.i propose a new vote. california seceding from the union. let all the half wits east of california do whatever they want. Let them have fun with THEIR president whos singlehandedly destroying the country.

this is actually a reall good picture, too bad being part of canada is not an option.

maybe in 12 months the rest of the country will realize what they've done by electing him again. or maybe after we're attacked again.

Sweet! Delaware is in the green part!

Well whoopee here's to 4 more years of me not having medical insurance, 4 more years of troops in Iraq with the possibility of a draft, 4 more years of a crap economy, 4 more years high oil prices, 4 more years of me paying Social Security which I won't get, but hey who cares.........I'll have my 10 dollar tax return this year!!!! YEAH!!!!!

To add to that list : 4 more years of color-coded M&M's of TERROR, 4 more years of me getting $2k less of financial aid for my classes than before 2000, 4 more years of profit for Haliburton and the Carlyle Group, 4 more years of the biggest deficit ever, 4 more years of grade-school kids taking ludicrous standardized tests despite the fact their teachers are incompetant or don't have to tools to teach them better, 4 more years of being looked down upon by the rest of the world. Oh yeah, i'm better off now than 4 years ago.

As a side-note, although i voted for Kerry this year, I really didn't have any real beef with Bush until he decided that looking for Osama/hunting terrorists in Afghanistan (something that was definitely more tangible) was less important than blowing up a country because of a 'maybe.'

[Nathan]

Holy **** nathan. I could probably write 10 paragraphs arguing with you on every point you made but jeez... I think just an astounded "holy ****" can cover it for now... wow

oh and btw thursday is cool , email me a tracking # when you get it!

You'd argue with me on the dept. of homeland security and patriot act? Your a glutton for disagreements I'll let you know man, sorry about the wait...its been a bad transportation week for me.

[BuudWeizErr]

wow, this is the time to be a republican. they now control the house as well.

greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

checks and balances? ol GW don't need those any more.

[biggie]

First off that 'article' up there, just called every 'normal' hard working American stoopid and ignorant. When those are the people that have all the common sense in the country. If you have all the money in the world then you don't know sh*t about daily life of an American. This is a big differnce most people see in Bush, even though he had money he seems to be normal, not the same can be said for Kerry.

Next, if California would become part of Canada or something, that would be fine with me, then we could stop all those damn emissions problems (they would be in another country). PS leave the governator, I like him.

There won't be a draft, people know that. At the same time, probably 90% of the people who voted for Bush have served,are willing to serve, or are currently serving in the military.

That's enough for now.

[BuudWeizErr]

oh snap, i just thought of something.

every president for the last what like 160 years in 20 year increments had a shot taken at them. it was george bushes turn, and it didn't happen in the first term, but that just means the possible assassins have 4 more years to do it! come on guys, come out of the woodwork!

[Nathan]

You've reached a new low...are you really THAT bitter Ryan? Your acting rather immaturely, which does nothing but hurt your cause.

[BuudWeizErr]

You've reached a new low...are you really THAT bitter Ryan? Your acting rather immaturely, which does nothing but hurt your cause.

yes, i actually am that bitter. at one point i had faith in the people in this country. i guess that faith was ill conceived. though, this really would be an assassination term though.

[Nathan]

I guess it works out allright then, you lost faith and I regained it..the scale is still balanced

[gniknave]

I'll admit I ALMOST sucked it up and voted for Bush just because I'd know what to expect from him. I decided to go with Kerry anyway because...well he isn't Bush. I agree with Jesda, this election year sucked. In my opinion the results are based on fear. Fear that we'll be attacked again and who most people feel more comfortable with defending us. I still don't see how a guy that's lied to the public about numerous issues going on in Iraq talking s**t about us making progress in the war on terror (we're obviously not if troops are staying longer than expected) yet, passed on the opportunity to capture Bin Laden, I don't understand how a guy who because of his lack of patience in sending us to war has 1100 dead service men, has a lack of support around the world, has other countries not trusting America, I don't see how this guy deserves a second chance in office. You just don't make those mistakes and deserve re-election .

Someone mentioned a draft. Bush better hope for his own life that it doesn't come down to that. Because if it does there's going to be a domestic war, against HIM. How will he handle that one? Thousands of kids under 25 going to war unwillingly and feeling like they have nothing to lose, why not get a piece of Bush? I know some of you wont agree with what I'm saying but I think this guy is one big scam. I don't trust a word the guy says. Just the way he talks, he sounds like he's always hiding something. Can anybody honestly say this country is in good shape right now? I've never been so pissed off about anything involving politics in my life!

[Nathan]

Where the hell do people get the idea of a draft from? It might just the THE most unlikely thing that could happen during the next 4 years. The military is doing decent on getting new people, when my friend joined the Marines he could NOT get into the infantry...it was full. Dont worry folks, there's plenty of young people with a hardon for killing that'll keep the ranks filled sufficiently.

[StrangeLove]

Half of america does not support the president, that is bad, no matter how you look at it.

I do not understand how anyone can support bush, I have lost faith in America, much like the rest of you.

As the gap between poverty and the wealthy widens, as oil prices skyrocket, as the value of the dollar drops to an all time low, as more people are killed in iraq, and as Osama plans for another attack... I'll be sitting at home just waiting for the perfect chance to say "I told you so"...

As long as bush is in office, my sig will stay!

[gniknave]

The agenda for the next 100 days: Bush is changing the national Flag

PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH TODAY ANNOUNCEDTHAT HE IS CHANGING THE NATIONSEMBLEM TO A CONDOM BECAUSE IT MORE CLEARLY REFLECTS HIS ADMINISTRATION'S OFFICAL & POLITICAL STANCE.

HERE ARE A FEW REASONS THAT HAVE CAUSED HIM TO DO THIS.THIS IS COMPLETLY BACKED BY INTELLIGENCE REPORTS THAT HIS ADMINSTRATION HAS RECEIVED AND REVEIWED.

A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed.

BTW I'm not actually calling anybody a bunch of pricks, just liked the joke...

[f1seb]

And who's fault is that? I'm guessing its oh wait...YOURS. This mentality is what I hate most, it is NOT the governments job to watch out for you, its yours...if you have wants needs and desires then ****ing go out and get them yourself. As for what I agree with Bush on (for Vicki) its the following: Abortion (although I take a firmer stand then he does...NO abortion is right in my mind), foreign policy (we ARE the foremost power in the world, its only right we act so), defense (the more the merrier in my mind), stem cell research (I only agree with using stem cells or fetuses allready in existence, NOT creating more for further research), gay marriage (I'm against anything that gives gays more rights...that means they get more tax breaks and that means the government will eventually come looking towards us good straight people for a little more money, I dont want my money supporting butt sex dammit!), most of the other issues that bush supports I have little knowledge of and dont particularly care about. Just to make you feel better, I DO disagree with him on a few things: department of homeland security (really, do we need ANOTHER security agency? We need a massive restructuring and slimming down of our security agencies) and the patriot act (its a time-bomb waiting to go off imo).

You dont know a fuking thing about me and my life so I'd appreciate if you keep your fuking mouth shut.

[Nathan]

You dont know a fuking thing about me and my life so I'd appreciate if you keep your fuking mouth shut.

What is there to know? If you dont have health insurance and want it, its within your reach. Get a job that has good benefits. If you are unable to get said job, its undoubtedly thanks to a decision you have made in the past and yet again...your fault. I'm sorry, I dont feel the government should be supporting you or anyone else just because they couldn't hack it.

[f1seb]

What is there to know? If you dont have health insurance and want it, its within your reach. Get a job that has good benefits. If you are unable to get said job, its undoubtedly thanks to a decision you have made in the past and yet again...your fault. I'm sorry, I dont feel the government should be supporting you or anyone else just because they couldn't hack it.

As i said before you don't know a fuking thing about me and it's obvious that you are some little stain in somebodys undershorts who is on mommys or daddys health insurance and doesn't have to worry about it for now, but a time will come and you will start to learn about life.

[gabossie]

Come on now kids, lets not get this closed with irrational bickering. The election is over, those of us that don't care for the result, will just have to deal with it for the next four years and hope we have a better candidate next time. There is nothing we can do about it now, so crying isn't going to help at all. If you want a better result next time, perhaps you should consider becoming more involved politically, things don't change by themselves, and that was the problem w/ this election. The Dems thought they could just ride the wave of desired change... almost worked, but not quite.

[StrangeLove]

holy **** nathan, SHUT UP