Seattle officer punches 17 yr old girl in the face

[IanS]

B**** deserved it.

End of story.

He was a single officer who was forced into a very bad situation. When the first girl started to resist, and the second one joined the fray, she could have easily had a knife or some other weapon. Girls or not, guarantee you he feared the worse, and made the decision to take control of the situation. THAT IS HIS JOB!!!!

Making snap decisions when you believe your life to possibly be in danger is a whole lot harder than chatting about it on the internet.

Kids these days have no respect.

She put herself in that situation, and she got licked. Life's tough, get a dam helmet, or stay the f*** down.

I'm willing to bet that the officer approached the female and was going to issue a warning. She probably copped and attitude that caused the whole situation to escalate.

For once in my life I agree with PMQ.

[Watermelonwarrior]

i did the video started with the 2 ladies confused and scared than a whole bunch of get the f*** off of me than pow right in the kisser lmaoo

EDIT: they are kids dude 17 years old come on now its right by a highschool.. the cop had his adrenaline running u know.

EDIT AGAIN: the way he pulled her arm up her back will have her shoulder f*** for the rest of her life, little lesson i learned in judo. She dont wanna comply pull out tazer ask her to calm down and comply if not buuzzzzzz time lol.

Sorry 17 years old is not a kid. At 17 you know what you should and should not do and how to act with a cop.

[RED_DET]

If that would have been here, I guarantee she would have "taken a ride on the lightning". Just like the last guy I gave a ride to a couple days ago. Works like a charm everytime.

Hopefully for the next time she learned a valueable lesson... Quit meddling.

[IanS]

If that would have been here, I guarantee she would have "taken a ride on the lightning". Just like the last guy I gave a ride to a couple days ago. Works like a charm everytime.

Hopefully for the next time she learned a valueable lesson... Quit meddling.

You should have tazed the guy who backed into your G in Omaha.
It would have doubled the epicness of the weekend.

[RED_DET]

I got money in my pocket out of that deal, so it could have been worse....

[naladude911]

He was a white guy in a bad black neighborhood. He had a lot of pressure. He had to keep both hands on the suspect and couldnt use his radio.

[PoorManQ45]

He was a white guy in a bad black neighborhood. He had a lot of pressure. He had to keep both hands on the suspect and couldnt use his radio.

Thanks for clearing that up for us

[Mr1der]

f*** that. that cop was totally justified in punching her in the mouth. one was resisting and the other was interfering with an arrest. the situation needed to be controlled so he handled that one chick. and she still resisted. the baton should have come out.

what he said.

people need to back the f*** up on police. we keep neutering their authority and they'll be about as effective as mall security.

[Looneybomber]

She should be glad she got punched and not pepper sprayed. I would take a light punch to the face over mace to the face any day.

[Jesda]

This is one situation where the taser would have been beneficial for everyone.

[TOMMY VERCETTI]

This does not surprise me at all. Cops will be Cops.

[plalm]

Before anyone else starts trying to defend the girl and call the officer a retarded rookie, do yourself a favor and google Graham vs Connor and objecitve reasonableness.
From my professional point of view, unbiased he did what he had to. Hindsight's a b****. Police have to make split second decisions pretty often, the idea is it should fall back on your training. He used justifiable non-lethal force in the lowest manner necessary to control the situation. Pepper spray is messy and would have effected more than just her. He could have gotten hit himself and that only reduces his safety from there. With the girl climbing on him while he's already dealing with another resisting authority, a tazer wouldn't be possible considering he didn't even have the abilty to use his radio.
Think about it. She did not get arrested for jaywalking, but for resisting and and interferring with official business by an on duty, uniformed officer of the law. When it comes down to it, the safety of the officer is number one in priority. If he goes down then how can he help you? Jaywalking is not a very serious offense, and sure other things may have been more important. The law, however, was not written to be a buffet where you pick and choose which rules to obey.

[f1seb]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsznX8-hL0o[/youtube]

[Jesda]

Before anyone else starts trying to defend the girl and call the officer a retarded rookie, do yourself a favor and google Graham vs Connor and objecitve reasonableness.
From my professional point of view, unbiased he did what he had to. Hindsight's a b****. Police have to make split second decisions pretty often,

Split second, WRONG CHOICE.

He didn't break the law. He didn't break any code of ethics. No one's making any claims like that except the girl who earned a punch and the criminal he arrested. But he handled the situation very poorly.

Rookie retard. They sent him for more training and he'll probably come out better prepared for something like this in the future.

[Jesda]

Oh hello there

[plalm]

I agree with you for the most part. The reality is, however that cops MUST. Make decisions to maintain control. Good decision or not, he remained safe, nobody else was hurt, and order was restored. Training can only be good of it is applied correctly. In all honesty, I more than likely would have handled it the same way. Alternate means of handling the situation fall into three catagories. Unavaiable, excessive, or ineffective. This isn't demolition man where we live in a semi-utopian society where talking to someone is always the most effective way. I don't think it was a rookie move, he just did what he had to.

[confused9]

definitely got was she deserved but doing it in front of all those people made him and the seattle police look bad..i f*** hate spoiled bishez always getting what they want and she thought she could treat a cop the same way she treats her parents f*** that.

[93coupe]

Hate crime! Kill whitey!

[nissangirl74]

I saw this on TV last night. TBH, I haven't studied it very closely but from what I gather, she was in the wrong for getting in his face, and resisting arrest, and acting aggressively. What would people's reaction have been if she had wrestled his gun away from him and used it against him, or someone else? What kind of conversation would we be having it that were the case? Was it PC of him to hit her? No, of course not. But she escalated that situation with a quickness. All she needed to say was "Yes sir, No sir, and I'm sorry." This is her learning moment of "When to keep her mouth shut. "

[Jesda]

We can assume a few things here:
The person he tried to apprehend is an irrational idiot.
The girl who punched him is an irrational idiot.
He, the officer, is certainly more rational than both.

The decision then is to weigh costs vs benefits in a very short period of time in the middle of an intense conflict. He was vulnerable and in a position where someone, anyone in that crowd, could have overpowered him, taken his vehicle, or taken his weapon. That would then create a danger for the public. Since she wasn't apparently armed or posing an immediate threat (until she resisted arrest and got very physical), the rational choice was to disengage, regain control, and call for backup. That's the better, safer option for the neighborhood, the people he is obligated to serve and protect. He's the rational one, the only one with the power to diffuse, and if you can't do it physically, you have to find other methods before it spirals out of control. It was probably covered in his original training but it spiraled out of control quickly.

Its the same decision process in car chases. If you're in an urban area, do you go after the suspect with everything you have, risking the safety of the public, or do you let the suspect go in the short term and try to find them later? It varies by department.

[AZhitman]

This is one situation where the taser would have been beneficial for everyone.

Nope. That's outside of the continuum of force and not warranted.

Close-combat situations are not Taser-friendly. The only people whining about this are the uninformed / untrained.

[Blutenn]

That's pretty intense. There were 10+ very large dudes around that one officer, I would have been s*** my pants if I were him. He could have had his a** handed to him at any moment, if they weren't so worried about videotaping for Youtube. It's ridiculous how resistant she was though. Doesn't surprise me though. The state of the current generation of teenagers is so depressing. :/

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'm with James: the more power we take from the police through silly controversy like this, the less power they have to do what we need them to do when we really need it.

You have to remember, you can't fight irrationality with rationality. It's very easy to say he should have just stepped back and regained control, but how do you know that would have worked? What he did worked.
And the argument that someone could have stolen his car or gun is silly. Someone could grab his gun at ANY time. You can't use that for an argument regarding use of force. He can't very well just walk away. Doing that just tells people if they resist they'll get away! He had to regain control and he was absolutely justified in hitting her.

What he really needed was a Civil Protection stunstick.

[ADDirishboy]

If anyone goes for his gun, they get shot 3 times anyway. That's for ANYONE carrying a weapon. Someone goes for your gun, you can only assume they are going to use it against you and others, and they get one to the head and two to the chest.

[93coupe]

This is one situation where the taser would have been beneficial for everyone.

Nope. That's outside of the continuum of force and not warranted.

Close-combat situations are not Taser-friendly. The only people whining about this are the uninformed / untrained.

This is one situation where the taser would have been beneficial for everyone.

Nope. That's outside of the continuum of force and not warranted.

Close-combat situations are not Taser-friendly. The only people whining about this are the uninformed / untrained.

I see this birthday is really taking a toll on you.

[AZhitman]

And the argument that someone could have stolen his car or gun is silly. Someone could grab his gun at ANY time.

Not really. It's actually quite valid.

No LEO lets anyone get that close to them. Ask Mike.

[93coupe]

If anyone goes for his gun, they get shot 3 times anyway. That's for ANYONE carrying a weapon. Someone goes for your gun, you can only assume they are going to use it against you and others, and they get one to the head and two to the chest.

Don't you go two in the chest, then one in the head?

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Wouldn't one in the head be enough? Lol.

[Jesda]

This is one situation where the taser would have been beneficial for everyone.

Nope. That's outside of the continuum of force and not warranted.

Close-combat situations are not Taser-friendly. The only people whining about this are the uninformed / untrained.

This is one situation where the taser would have been beneficial for everyone.

Nope. That's outside of the continuum of force and not warranted.

No, its not. A belligerent, angry, loud-mouthed person with an undeserved sense of entitlement is unlikely to become magically submissive when the cuffs come out.

"Oh s***, you're arresting me? In that case I'll let you do whatever you want. Here, check my butthole for heroin balloons since you asked nicely."

Tasers come into play when the officer believes that the situation may become dangerous and the person he needs to apprehend will not comply with orders. It requires -- wait for it -- a modicum of forethought and situational analysis. Its safer for everyone. He should have figured she was out of control by the way she behaved. Its difficult to make an appropriate decision when it escalates so quickly, but that's the way it is.

The officer HAS to be in control to safely execute an arrest. He wasn't, and the arrest itself did not create control.

This is why he was sent back for reeducation -- to analyze what went wrong and prevent it from happening again, for his own good, for the department's safety, and the safety of the public. This will happen again if they aren't prepared, and he wasn't.

And really, a meaty hoodrat is a far cry from a "girl"

[AZhitman]

With respect, if you haven't been to Academy, your position is invalid.

Taser is outside the continuum of force for the situation and the wrong tool for that immediate instance. Period.

Minimum force to get the attacker off you and subdued is what IS warranted, and she got it.

A punch is quick, effective, non-lethal, and unlikely to misfire.

He was "sent back" for training to appease the NAACP and people defending someone who desperately needed to be KTFO. Not to prevent future occurrences.