Seattle officer punches 17 yr old girl in the face

[ADDirishboy]

Don't you go two in the chest, then one in the head?

Yea, I just put it the other way around. Either way, you're not gonna live.

[ADDirishboy]

Don't you go two in the chest, then one in the head?

Yea, I just put it the other way around. Either way, you're not gonna live.

[Jesda]

I'm with James: the more power we take from the police through silly controversy like this, the less power they have to do what we need them to do when we really need it.

You have to remember, you can't fight irrationality with rationality. It's very easy to say he should have just stepped back and regained control, but how do you know that would have worked? What he did worked.

It didn't "work." It teetered on disaster.

As for the power of law enforcement, it goes both ways. We can't restrain them, and we can't give them free reign to do what they want. A small percentage of them are flawed, enough that it poses a danger to the public.

On one extreme, you have belligerent jerks running around terrorizing neighborhoods. On the other hand, you have Detroit and the 1967 riots.

Remember the thread I posted about the police in St George MO? The department was disbanded and the chief is now in jail for kiddie p0rn. Like ALL professions, not everyone with a badge is on your side. Most are, a handful aren't. There's even corruption among doctors, including insurance fraud, malpractice, and patient misconduct. You have to write rules and regulations accordingly.

[Jesda]

With respect, if you haven't been to Academy, your position is invalid.

Taser is outside the continuum of force for the situation and the wrong tool for that immediate instance. Period.

Minimum force to get the attacker off you and subdued is what IS warranted, and she got it.

A punch is quick, effective, non-lethal, and unlikely to misfire.

He was "sent back" for training to appease the NAACP and people defending someone who desperately needed to be KTFO. Not to prevent future occurrences.

That's a s*** argument Greg. That's like saying I can't criticize the president if I've never been President.

[93coupe]

I'm seeing double!

I just look go in between and shoot necks.

[MinisterofDOOM]

And the argument that someone could have stolen his car or gun is silly. Someone could grab his gun at ANY time.

Not really. It's actually quite valid.

No LEO lets anyone get that close to them. Ask Mike.

She DID get that close.

[Jesda]

Oh and happy birthday broseph

[AZhitman]

No, it's not. You're guessing at what is SUPPOSED to be used, PER POLICY, when you haven't read it or been trained on it. Using a Taser would have been inappropriate AND a violation of policy.

That's all. No need to get aggro.

Besides, you can criticize the Prez all day long. You're well-versed in politics.

Oh and happy birthday broseph

Thanks brothaman!!!

[AZhitman]

She DID get that close.

And what happened?

[Jesda]

No, it's not. You're guessing at what is SUPPOSED to be used, PER POLICY, when you haven't read it or been trained on it. Using a Taser would have been inappropriate AND a violation of policy.

That's all. No need to get aggro.

Besides, you can criticize the Prez all day long. You're well-versed in politics.

Then I'm going to lean on your expertise.

When is a taser authorized? When is it prohibited?

[MinisterofDOOM]

She DID get that close.

And what happened?

That's exactly what I was getting at.

[AZhitman]

Tomorrow. Bedtime for old people. <3 ya.

[Jesda]

Poor city can't catch a break.

I'm trying to find out what her criminal record actually entails. Since one girl was 17 and the other 19, I suspect it was all part of their juvenile record. They aren't exactly model citizens.

The SPD said they were concerned about what the officer had done, but didn't specifically cite the punch as the problem as a swift punch is part of their training. I think they were likely looking at how he failed to establish control early on, especially of the crowd. NAACP hasnt gotten involved, thankfully, but the Urban League is trying to use it to manipulate the political process and they probably wont be happy unless the next police chief is black.

[VigorousZX]

s***, the officer should be charged with assault, I think he punched the one girl because the two of them were tall and black.
There was no immediate danger, you guys can throw 1000 variables at this but at the end of the day, 2 little, but tall girls were crossing the street.
A punch is still lethal, although less then a heart stopping tazer... in this scenario a punch would be warranted if the officers balls were attacked.
No human should be treated this way, either mentally sound or retarded, this s*** happens too many times... Im disgusted that everyone here defends the officer, guys like this should lose there job and be replaced by sincere police men.
Problem is the whole system is corrupt, Ive seen hidden video where a white guy couldnt even file a proper police complaint against an officer at multiple police stations.

[Jesda]

bullsh*t, the officer should be charged with assault, I think he punched the one girl because the two of them were tall and black.
There was no immediate danger, you guys can throw 1000 variables at this but at the end of the day, 2 little, but tall girls were crossing the street.
A punch is still lethal, although less then a heart stopping tazer... in this scenario a punch would be warranted if the officers balls were attacked.
No human should be treated this way, either mentally sound or retarded, this s*** happens too many times... Im disgusted that everyone here defends the officer, guys like this should lose there job and be replaced by sincere police men.
Problem is the whole system is corrupt, Ive seen hidden video where a white guy couldnt even file a proper police complaint against an officer at multiple police stations.

Come on bro, lethal? Its not like she was bleeding, nor did she hit the ground. He popped her in the face just enough to get her to back off.

Heart-stopping taser? They don't do that.

Pretty absurd to ticket people for jaywalking, but thats a separate issue.

[93coupe]

I think he punched the one girl because the two of them were tall and black.

WNBA players are fukced!

[MinisterofDOOM]

This post reminded me of the awesomely drunk jaywalker I saw last summer when I was in Las Vegas. He didn't-quite-fall across both directions of Las Vegas boulevard, and I'm AMAZED he didn't cause an accident. A couple cars made some pretty impressive stops, no one was rear-ended fortunately. The guy stopped a few times to regain his balance, then continued on each time. Finally, he made it to the other side, stepped up on the sidewalk (still not falling!) and proceeded to crash into and tumble over a waist-high fence. Everyone on both sides of the street for a block was staring at him. I don't recall anyone helping him get back up.

Pretty absurd to ticket people for jaywalking, but thats a separate issue.

Gotta disagree there. Jaywalking is another example of peoples' incredible determination to be stupid necessitating equally stupid-sounding laws.
If people didn't make it a problem, we wouldn't need laws to "solve" it.

[VigorousZX]

To never j-walk is something Ned Flanders would do.

Come on bro, lethal? Its not like she was bleeding, nor did she hit the ground. He popped her in the face just enough to get her to back off.

Heart-stopping taser? They don't do that.

Pretty absurd to ticket people for jaywalking, but thats a separate issue.

Well she took it pretty good, her nose could have been jammed in, she could have been knocked out, hit the concrete and have a swollen brain.
If tazers are placed around the heart I believe it can shock the electrical rhythm of your heart and kill you.
happened in my cities airport a few years ago, this guy is dead at the end of the video
youtube watch?v=IPe_hf7aBXM

[Jesda]

This post reminded me of the awesomely drunk jaywalker I saw last summer when I was in Las Vegas. He didn't-quite-fall across both directions of Las Vegas boulevard, and I'm AMAZED he didn't cause an accident. A couple cars made some pretty impressive stops, no one was rear-ended fortunately. The guy stopped a few times to regain his balance, then continued on each time. Finally, he made it to the other side, stepped up on the sidewalk (still not falling!) and proceeded to crash into and tumble over a waist-high fence. Everyone on both sides of the street for a block was staring at him. I don't recall anyone helping him get back up.

Pretty absurd to ticket people for jaywalking, but thats a separate issue.

Gotta disagree there. Jaywalking is another example of peoples' incredible determination to be stupid necessitating equally stupid-sounding laws.
If people didn't make it a problem, we wouldn't need laws to "solve" it.

That's a dangerous principle to guide the creation of legislation and local ordinances. It makes the assumption that the law itself, because it has been created, is always a product of rational thought and necessity. In reality, the law in a well-established society is too often the product of exaggerated collective fear that creates a false sense of security.

So regardless of whether the act of ticketing jaywalkers is practical, its unwise to assume that laws were created out of real need.

[Jesda]

To never j-walk is something Ned Flanders would do.

Come on bro, lethal? Its not like she was bleeding, nor did she hit the ground. He popped her in the face just enough to get her to back off.

Heart-stopping taser? They don't do that.

Pretty absurd to ticket people for jaywalking, but thats a separate issue.

Well she took it pretty good, her nose could have been jammed in, she could have been knocked out, hit the concrete and have a swollen brain.
If tazers are placed around the heart I believe it can shock the electrical rhythm of your heart and kill you.
happened in my cities airport a few years ago, this guy is dead at the end of the video
youtube watch?v=IPe_hf7aBXM

I'm willing to leave the danger of tasers open to debate, but the 17 year old interloper was punched with what appears to be a "correct" amount of force. It was enough to shock her and get her to back away, but she wasn't injured at all. It should never have come to that, but she interfered and pretty much asked for it.

[Jesda]

ITS 6AM WHY AM I STILL AWAKE

GULATI, OUT

[MellowZ32]

quiter!
Im stiil here
and it is hour 44 without rest!

[IBCoupe]

I'm a little late to the party on this one, but I'd like to object to the notion that the cop's hand was forced. Maybe not at the punch, maybe not inside the crowd, but it must have been a really slow day to warrant a jaywalking ticket, and he made the decision to begin the confrontation.

Yes, it's his job.

Yes, it's a crime, so he's legally justified.

But he'd also be justified in waiting for a more dangerous violation, and perhaps not getting himself into this situation.

He'd also be justified in letting the girl walk away 'cause, come on, it's jaywalking.

The cop made any number of decisions that made him just as responsible (if not more so) for the situation that erupted.

[MinisterofDOOM]

That's a dangerous principle to guide the creation of legislation and local ordinances. It makes the assumption that the law itself, because it has been created, is always a product of rational thought and necessity. In reality, the law in a well-established society is too often the product of exaggerated collective fear that creates a false sense of security.

So regardless of whether the act of ticketing jaywalkers is practical, its unwise to assume that laws were created out of real need.

I tried to word that so it didn't come across that way. I'm simply suggesting that this particular law IS really needed based on my observations. It might have been created for all the wrong reasons, but I believe it is genuinely needed. But jaywalkers are a huge problem in a lot of areas. Just last week some butthead crossed on a don't-walk sign and caused an entire line of cars facing a protected turn arrow to have to wait another full traffic rotation just to get on the freeway. The d!ck is a d!ck. And a cop needs to hand him a ticket. Because nothing else is going to make him stop (well, except getting hit, and that'll go far worse for the poor sap who hits him, which makes an irritating situation even more crappy).

People aren't afraid of cars. They NEED to be, or they need something else to get their brains in gear and keep them from strolling out in front of them. The commonly held (and legally supported) idea that "pedestrians always have the right of way" has led pedestrians to believe they have no responsibility for their own safety when crossing traffic. The reality is that whatever the laws may be, my car can only make certain maneuvers.

Cars are at a distinct disadvantage. Drivers can't tell what pedestrians are doing or whether they're going to keep doing it. I don't know if someone's going to randomly dash out in front of me, and if they do there's not a thing I can do about it. Regardless of traffic laws that determine "fault", me hitting them IS a possibility. Unless they stay the damn hell out of the road until it's safe. And jaywalking is a part of that.

Stupid little laws like this seem ridiculous, but they serve a valuable purpose: they keep everyone operating from the same playbook. Which narrows the possibilities of things that can go wrong, and makes reactions that much quicker and more effective. And that's why it's important that they be consistently enforced. Because if they're not, their effects will be nullified.
Nearly all traffic laws are based on this same premise, but you don't get people complaining about them (at least not with any validity).

[Razi]

FALCON PUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[numbnuts240]

i watched it again, and again, and coupled with my own personal experiences in cities, this is my take. yes, jaywalking is a stupid thing to get cited for, in the suburbs. my bet is that these chicks decided to just cross, probably causing someone to slam on their brakes and honk, while the cop was in the vicinity. in the beginning of the video, you can make out that he's just talking to them, probably decided that a citation was in order after they got lippy. we all know what happens after that.

vigorous, you're an idiot. z abominations and your comments here have garnered a placement by nala and pmq on my list of retards whose opinions mean less than any pile of dog poo in my yard.

Hate crime! Kill whitey!

Wouldn't one in the head be enough? Lol.

not always.

She DID get that close.

And what happened?

b**** got knocked the f*** out. well not really, but she did take a jab to the chicken hole.

[VigorousZX]

i watched it again, and again, and coupled with my own personal experiences in cities, this is my take. yes, jaywalking is a stupid thing to get cited for, in the suburbs. my bet is that these chicks decided to just cross, probably causing someone to slam on their brakes and honk, while the cop was in the vicinity. in the beginning of the video, you can make out that he's just talking to them, probably decided that a citation was in order after they got lippy. we all know what happens after that.

vigorous, you're an idiot. z abominations and your comments here have garnered a placement by nala and pmq on my list of retards whose opinions mean less than any pile of dog poo in my yard.

Oh no not on your list ... maybe hitting women in your household is the norm or punching someone in the face to defend your honour is a way of life, but if I were in this cops shoes I would have tackled her down and used my muscles to subdue her.
By the way, lets not kid our selves, if these girls were white, people would have more sympathy.

[sx moneypit]

There is one thing that i have learned by personal experience,if a cop is talking to you it is best to keep your pie hole shut and show respect,it will save you from having s**t like this from happening.

[numbnuts240]

maybe hitting women in your household is the norm or punching someone in the face to defend your honour is a way of life, but if I were in this cops shoes I would have tackled her down and used my muscles to subdue her.
By the way, lets not kid our selves, if these girls were white, people would have more sympathy.

i'm brown and they get none of my sympathy. hitting women is one thing. a cop subduing an unruly perp, who happens to be female, is another. what if they started punching him. should he have just stood there, getting pummeled? call for backup and request a female officer? naive vigorous is naive.

[Razi]

if these girls were white, people would have more sympathy.

The color of your skin doesn't net you more or less sympathy from me after you've done something stupid.