I'm New Here And I have A Simple Question Thread, (No Flaming Allowed)

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:
If you just want a nice reliable semi-sporty automobile, then yes, that first link is a good buy. I'd offer 2k-2500. If you want something quick, you'd be better off buying someone's car that they have already modified, but make sure it is a job well done! You could definately get that red 240 to last, it looks well taken care of. Not to mention you could bank about 3 grand in the process. Take it to a mechanic and get it all checked out, and see what he says. Keep an eye out for rust, especially on the rocker panels.Let us know how you make out.
Will do.

quick question: This may seem a bit odd, but how difficult is it to replace a car's seatbelt? Automatic seatbelts are so damn annoying...


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AnimalCracker wrote:Will do.

quick question: This may seem a bit odd, but how difficult is it to replace a car's seatbelt? Automatic seatbelts are so damn annoying...
well, theres this (s14 seat belts into s13). Unfortunately, some of the pics are broken... d!ck shoulda hosted the pics himself

http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=201487

OR, if your lucky, you can get your hands on Canadian s13 seatbelts. S13's in Canada came equiped with manual seatbelts. Its a direct replacement because of course, its the same car.

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Or if the automatic seatbelts aren't broken by your doing, you can get them replaced by a Nissan dealership. They are under a lifetime warranty.

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Hey Guys, I'm about to buy a Custom Hotpipe for SR20DET w/HKS Flange: Hotpipe + HKS SSQV Package And was wondering if I should even buy a hotpipe? I have an sr20det with a v-spec greddy FMIC. Would it be a better option to just get a flange and valve? And right now my stock BOV is like right in front of my drivers side front tire... is that the norm place? Thanks for the help in advance : )And I'm not even sure how to post hehe, but i hit reply, hopefully that will work

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cacaface wrote:Hey Guys, I'm about to buy a Custom Hotpipe for SR20DET w/HKS Flange: Hotpipe + HKS SSQV Package And was wondering if I should even buy a hotpipe? I have an sr20det with a v-spec greddy FMIC. Would it be a better option to just get a flange and valve? And right now my stock BOV is like right in front of my drivers side front tire... is that the norm place? Thanks for the help in advance : )And I'm not even sure how to post hehe, but i hit reply, hopefully that will work
the hotpipe i think your getting is just for bling factor, if its the same one my buddy has. You dont have to if you dont want to. You do however need the flange. If you dont wanna spend that kinda money on that hotpipe, just get the flange welded on to a 2 foot 2" pipe at a muffler shop for like $5 and replace it on your stock hotpipe.

or, if you wanna be baller, have a welder weld it to you cold pipe as close as you can to the throttle body. Its better that way.

as for the stock recirc valve, you'll need to take that out and plug its piping. You'll eventually remove the whole thing when you go front mount anyways.

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Cool, i'll do the cold pipe, thanks a lot : ).I read about getting it close to throttle body, but didnt even know where it's at o_0 thanks again!

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Hey guys, I need some help again. This is gonna sound really ridiculous but I need some opinions

OK, so theres some info I left out about my situation. I'm very lucky to have my dad pay for my insurance through college when I don't have a job. As such, I cant really look at too many cars that would jack up the cost of insurance for him. I dont have a job so Im not certain if I COULD afford insurance (it doesnt seem that bad. My girlfriend pays $104 for 8 months I think, but regardless, he's giving me a bit of a gift and Ill willingly accept it).

Anyways, Im saying this because he has a bit of say in what car Im gonna drive for these few years that I'll own it.

When I wrecked my car, I asked a car forum what some fun cars would be to drive, just to get some ideas. I was given your usual Integras, Civics, Accords, etc, and the 240sx. I figured the 240sx was pretty much your Honda Civic, only a bit stepped up. A pretty sporty car stock, that could be souped up to be a pretty powerful beast (sorry for comparing the 240 to a civic, heh), but certainly not a sports car when its stock.

When I talked to him today about possible cars I could drive, I brought up the 240sx and he was a bit skeptical. I know he knows I want a fun car to drive, but for some reason he didnt take much liking to it. He thinks its a true blue sports car, but I honestly didnt see it like this. Am I wrong?

First off, he was afraid that the car I was looking at: http://houston.craigslist.org/car/369627701.html may have been mistreated, not knowing what kind of damage to the clutch, transmission, etc. Just basic damage from excessive hot rodding. He feels this goes for aNY car like the 240. Im thinking that not ALL 240's are used and abused. Yeah, its hard to discern this, but I mean, why would a 240 be a bigger exception to the case. Surely he's incorrect in thinking that a 240 is different from any other used vehicle.

He's also unsure of how long a nissan lasts. I know I already asked this, but we are both uncertain how long the car lasts. He feels like the owner is trying to get rid of a car before it starts costing him money. He's been driving it stock all its life, and my dad believes that he may be passing it forward before it starts costing him money when it starts naturally deteriorating. 140k is quite a bit, even then, Im sure I could get at least 4 years out of the body. I dont mind putting in money in the engine.

Anyways, to make this long story shorter, is a 240sx pretty much a "sports car", that would increase our insurance premium, or is it actually a very modest car? Im thinking that yes, compared to my buick it WILL increase insurance, but so would a jetta or an accord.

Also is it likely that this car was hot rodded (what I mean to say is that if you look at a camaro, you know it was hot rodded. If you look at an Accord, its possible it was driven modestly)? Are there any signs I can look for for excessive wear and tear on the engine? Any signs I can look for to discern if this car is gonna be costing me in a few years when I figure out it needs work done on the engine because he mistreated it?

I know this all sounds absurd, but I really like the look of the 240sx and I like how I have alot of options in the future for customization. From what I understood coming in, it was what I wanted. A car that was sporty enough to be fun, but not necessarily a sports car.

I really need to work up and argument to bring against my dad, because I really dont wanna drive another Buick/Accord/whatever. Sure this may make me seem a bit spoiled, but the car money IS coming from my pocket more or less (the buick came from my pocket), its just that I respect my father alot, and I want him to be behind my car selection as well, if that makes any sense.

I was just hoping that you guys could help enlighten me so perhaps I can convince my dad that the 240sx CAN be or is a modest vehicle, and its not necessarily something thats gonna fall apart in a few years. I understand that its difficult to judge without seeing the car, but I figured I could get some opinions from your experiences as a 240sx owner.

So... what can I use for my defense? Its not like he's against it, I just need help enlightening him to convince him that it isnt what he thinks it is. Like, what are some cars that are comparable to the 240sx? What cars could be found in its class?

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AnimalCracker wrote:
So... what can I use for my defense? I
Use the fact that KA24DE has just over 110 whp. Nissan Altima's have close to 170.

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i think japanese cars are rather reliable.... (i mean look at ford and chevy, always somethin wrong with them it seems).... i have a sohc, that was a single owner before me, older lady.....

153k miles... ive put 5k on this year and it runs so strong... sure it burns a bit of oil, but as long as ur not redlining it and smashing through all the gears u should be fine......

as any car the upkeep is more expensive on an older car, so look for an s14 (1995 and up)....

the car is a "sport" car of sorts.... sorta liek the miata, low end RWD......

but if ur looking for a car thats good on insurance, dont bother.... it sucks (in my experience)

u want reliable and cheap.... get a honda.....

if u dont wanna be like everyone else, stick with the 240

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I'm not able to add much on the subject of whether or not it should be considered a "sports car" seeing as how I've never driven mine stock and I have fits getting it running. My experiences have shown my 92 240SX 5 speed to be woefully underpowered compared to a true blue sports car, but with more power (and fuel consumption) than my Honda Civics. Reliability on my particular example has been dismal at best, but I attribute this to the previous owner more than the design itself.

Since insurance is a deciding factor here, why don't you just call up and get a quote for insurance on the car, and a car he is suggesting. Believe it or not, my 240SX costs the same amount to insure as my 95 Civic Ex sedan, and less to insure than my 92 Civic Si hatch.

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Would the car be much worse on insurance than say an accord or what have you? Sounds pretty brutal...

I hope friggin insurance isnt what keeps me from the car, heh. Ill have to see if I can figure out how muc more insurance will cost with it.

That sounds good, qat.

To be honest, the fact of a previous owner scares us both. Him more than me, but I mean he has more experience than I do. He's not a dolt when it comes to cars... I just think hes getting a BIT of the wrong impression.

Anyways, I can only hope that I dont run in to a similar experience. WHo knows. I mean 240sx' cant be SO rare that this is a last chance of sorts. Even if we miss the boat on this one, I would hope there are more out there.

I've been looking through car fax though, and alot of those 240sx' are quite a bit more pricey. Like 4000-5000.

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My insurance with 2 speeding tickets and 3 points on my license is around $550 for 6 months.

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Eep... heh well Ill talk to my dad about it. If its a great deal more than our options Ill just forget about it for now, til I can pay for my own insurance. Sucks though, because I really prefer the look of the 93 240SX compared to say the 98.

One thing that bugs me, of all the 240sx' Ive seen, the one Ive listed does look the nicest. Granted, those pictures are 2 years old.

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does anyone have any more pics or info on this car?


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majiga wrote:does anyone have any more pics or info on this car?
only that I saw it for sale like last year. I think it was selling for like $15-20k or something like that. Anyways, theyve moved on to *newer* projects.http://www.signalautousa.com/index.html

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Well, I'll tell you the raw numbers. I'm paying $90.66 per month (If I recall correctly) for liability on a 92 Nissan 240SX and a 92 Honda Civic Si. That's for 22 years old and no accidents/tickets within 3 years and it's in East Tennessee. I'm not sure how it will break down for you, but hopefully it will be low.

I don't think I can emphasize how much you want to avoid a car that has been beat on/ragged out if you're looking for a stock daily driver. I have been dealing with "project" cars and the cars that other people beat on and got rid of for years. The amount of problems that come with them is mind boggling. The coupe you posted looks quite clean. I haven't seen too many cars that have been abused and still look that clean. I would suggest going over it with a fine toothed comb, so to speak, given Nissan's overall proclivity for stupid electrical issues and other problems. If it looks suspect, you may be better off looking for one on the NICO classifieds or keeping your eyes open for another local one.

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How exactly should I go over it? Any guides/tutorials/suggestions I should cover? Im not a car savvy person to say the least, unfortunately. Any suggestions would be helpful. Ill gladly throw in hours of research to buy the right car. Its just the way I am.

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Well, I just have an eye for defects that I have a bad habit of assuming comes naturally to everyone. If your dad is familiar with cars, by all means take him along and get his advice. I wish I'd started listening to what my dad had to say quite a while back. Either way:

If you're serious about buying the car, go ahead and run a carfax on it. I've had crappy luck with carfax myself, but I have enough friends that swear by it to go ahead and recommend it.

Start with the outside. Look it over for any defects in the paint or dents. Twilight makes dents stand out, so looking at it in the evening is advisable. If at all possible, either get the car jacked up on jack stands, or on a lift. You want to get under it and look for anything out of the ordinary. Bent stuff and rust are key things here. Also take the time to check wear levels on the brake pads/rotors and tires. Check any of the rubber bushings to see if they're cracked and look like they need to be replaced. Look for any leaking fluids. The stuff will probably be dirty, but you should be able to tell if anything has been leaking. While it's off the ground, go ahead and spin the wheels to check if someone added a limited slip differential.

If it has rust, evaluate how bad it is. If there is some minor surface rust, it's not a huge deal, it's just something that will definitely need to be taken care of. Steer clear of frame rust. Look for any dents or damage to the frame rails or panels under the body. You can also check at this point to see if the drive shaft has been modified to a one piece unit (considered by most to be an improvement) or if there are any aftermarket suspension components.

Check the engine oil. Is it clean or black? Any weird gunk? Steer clear of weird gunk or coolant on the dipstick. The head gasket might be shot.

Make sure that the car is cold when you go to start it up. Check to see how it runs when it's cold. Ideally, it should idle fine and have no stumbling. Sniff the exhaust to see if it's running rich. If it is, the exhaust will smell like half burnt gas. If you don't want to sniff, then look at the tailpipe to check the color. Black and sooty is rich, a real light color usually means it's running lean, and a nice grey shade is what should be there. If it has the stock KA24DE, listen to it run. If it sounds like it you're rolling some marbles around in a tin can, then the upper timing chain guide is still there. No huge deal, it can pretty easily be removed. If you hear a knocking, tapping, or other noise that sounds suspect, either investigate further, or avoid it.

Ask to see any receipts for regular maintenance, including oil and coolant changes and any major maintenance including timing chain replacement and clutch replacement. I'm not sure off hand what the recommended interval for the chain replacement is, but I want to say it's around 100,000 miles. I may be incorrect, but if it has been changed, it's good to have a receipt for it.

See if there is any smoke from the exhaust, and if so, what color. Black indicates it's running rich, white is from coolant burning, and blueish/grey is usually from burning oil. The scent test for the trained nose can help in this situation, however the scents are nearly impossible to convey in words. Regardless, any smoke means that something has to be repaired.

Once the engine has warmed up, you'll want to perform a compression test on it, at the very least. A leakdown test is better. If you don't have a tester, then rent or buy one (or build one. I'm in the process right now of building a leakdown tester http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml). The compression numbers should be uniform across all cylinders. A leakdown test will let you know where any leaks in the compression chamber are. If you do a little searching, there is plenty of information on the process to perform these tests, and they can provide you with a large amount of information about the internal health of the engine.

Check around under the hood to see if there are any obvious modifications or loose wiring. Check for any missing emissions equipment. If it's gone, it can cause the car to run rich. Check to see if the air filter is clean and other fluid levels. Check for any rust under the hood. Pay attention to the strut towers and battery tray, as well as the frame rail area. Look to see if there has been anything that looks like a recent change that might be there to cover up a problem. For example, a given area might have been cleaned up more than another to avoid detection of a slow leak in a component.

Go ahead and check the inside of the car. I'd suggest starting at the back and working your way forward. On 240SX fastbacks, the trunk likes to leak from bad seals around the taillights. Check the spare tire well for water. I'm not sure if this is a problem on the coupes or not, but either way, it can be resolved with a $5 roll of weather stripping from Home Depot (Believe it or not, that's what I was told to do by the parts manager at my local Nissan dealer. It worked.). Check for any modifications, including aftermarket stereo wiring and strut bars.

Check the upholstery for stains, burns, rips, and tears. Any funky smells? Any dead animals under the seat (It might seem stupid, but I found a dead rat in a Pignose Fastback I looked at buying.)? Is the dash cracked? Most of the S13's have a cracked dash. They've started making these coverlay things for them, but many folks just live with it. Ask if there are any aftermarket alarms added. Look under the dash to see if there are any obvious wiring modifications. Alarms can be OK, but I have yet to have owned a car with one that worked right.

Check to see if the idiot lights on the dash work or not. Also, check to see if the backlights come on when you turn the headlights on. The cluster should light up, the HVAC control unit should light up, and the push button switches should light up. If they're burned out, it's not biggie. I'm in the process of making a write-up for bulb replacement.

If the idiot lights aren't coming on, figure out which ones aren't working. If it's the CEL, I'd suggest you check the codes on the ECU to verify that someone didn't pull the bulb to hide something. If the CEL is on, check the codes. Evaluate accordingly. If any of the idiot lights either don't come or stay on, check the corresponding system to see if it's functioning properly. It could be a burned out bulb, or something worse.

See if the HVAC works. Run through all the switches and functions as well as heat and A/C. If at all possible, check to see if the rear defroster works, if equipped. Ditto for rear and front wipers, if equipped. Check to see if the pop-up headlights work. Bright lights are different on a Nissan than a lot of other cars. You have to push the switch away for them to stay on (something it took me a while to figure out). Have someone check all the lights on the car for you. If it doesn't work, check to see if it's just the bulb, or if it's wiring related. If so equipped, check to see if the HUD, power windows, and power mirrors are functional.

Take your test drive and listen for any weird noises. Does it bounce around when you hit a bump? These cars love to have rattles and whatnot from the body. If it sounds out of the ordinary, then check it out further. If it's a manual, rev it up a bit during shifting to check to see if the clutch slips. If it's an auto, see how well the transmission shifts (also check the fluid for scent and color). See if the cruise control works, if so equipped. Drive in a variety of areas, I'd suggest your test drive take you on the highway (55 mph at least), around town (35 mph or so) and stop and go. See how the car acts in each circumstance. Make sure the car doesn't start to get too hot. You've driven before... if it would seem out of the ordinary for your vehicle, watch out for it on the one you're considering.

If there's anything else to look for that I have missed, then by all means, someone add it.

If you do find some of the stuff wrong with it, don't stress too much. Smaller problems just come with the car. Some are easy to fix or live with. If you check those things, though, they will give you a better chance of noticing something big.

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Well I graduated, and I'm going to start school for paramedics. And being a typically filipino *not being rascist* I want a 240sx. Preferable a s13 with silvia conversion, and sr20det, or a kouki s14 with sr20det. But I'm kinda falling into an endless pit, and not finding an kouki s14's with sr20det's for under $10k but I have found a lovely s13 with silvia conversion, and an sr20de, not sure if its turbo'd or not but I'll call later in the week. The interior, and body looks perfect in the pictures, and the owner is asking $9,500. Yes, its pricey but I'm from So*Cal. Everything is expensive here. But forget about my pointless intro.

So now to "serious" business I'm curious to know what are the pros and cons of both the s13 with silvia front, and sr20det, and a kouki s14 with sr20det? I've tried searching with not results, and did the mistake of making a thread resulting in flames, and then being locked. Also I plan on putting in sparco racing seats, but not until later in the year. But I'm curious if there's anyway in removing the automatic seatbelts to manual ones?

Plus I've have never driven a manual transmission, so I plan on learning in the 240 I buy? Is that a bad choice or no? I have driven before but just automatic trucks, and suvs. I'm not planning on racing as soon as I get. Just to give me some time to get use to the feel first. So my budget is pretty much around $9,500 for the car with the sr20det. And I want to go local, not out of state. Help me please!!!

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Hey guys. I'm kinda new here. And first off, I did search for my question below, found nothing.

Now, I had a 240sx S13 FB about 3 years ago, and I stopped over here to read up some tips on making it faster... sad thing is, 2 months after I got it, and with only 140K miles on it, a damn connecting rod broke while I was cruising down the road... made me sad.

Anyways, I loved that car even though it wasn't in the best condition (as the above statement points towards). The acceleration (even at stock), cornering, and even the ride was like nothing I've driven before.

So it's about time for me to buy a new car (as my 92 Beretta GT is about to die as well). I was thinking about getting a "new" car for like 10-15 G's, but I remembered how much I loved that 240.

With that said, I plan on buying a 92-93 S13 FB again. I see most people use turbo's, and not that I'm against them, but I'd like an all motor KA.

So is there much after market parts on increasing a NA KA's power? Something like 300whp would be just fine for me, even 250whp would be fine. It'd be my daily car, so I don't want anything too crazy. I'm definitely not apposed to increased displacement. Gas mileage isn't much of a worry for me, mainly it's what the cylinder walls can take (if adding stroke isn't possible).

If getting that amount of horsepower, NA, is possible, any clue on the cost? I plan on getting a 240sx in the best condition possible, hoping around 6G's. Then doing the work bit by bit (I'm not rich here).

Also, a quick one, I was wondering how much power a auto trans on 240's can take. I think I remember 300bhp was what it was.

Thanks guys! Hope I asked this in the right spot.

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Picolini wrote:
So is there much after market parts on increasing a NA KA's power?
No.
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If getting that amount of horsepower, NA, is possible
It isn't, sorry
Picolini wrote:any clue on the cost?
Easily over 10k.

I don't mean to sound like a d!ck, it's just that the NA KA is not very capable by any practical means. It's insanely expensive and insanely impractical. A lot of work is custom. There are some Speedvision NA KA's putting out 300BHP but they are full racing motors that are VERY fickle and VERY expensive. Here's some info if you insist on NA KA though

This heavily modded NA KA marely scratched 170whphttp://forums.nicoclub.com/zer...60648

zerothread/210176

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Haha, well first off thanks for the quick reply there.

Too bad on that.

I hope I don't get killed for even talking about this, I know how hardcore fans can get, but I remember hearing about people putting LS1's in S13's.

Any info on that? Cost of an LS1? Install cost (guesstimates are fine)... do they fit in easily? I'm sure something like this is frowned upon around here, and I know the whole "it throws off the weight distribution" don't care much, not racing it on a track, and the whole "that's just not right" again, don't care much, fast is fast, I'll take it any way, I just like NA motors more.

Not trying to offend or piss any one off... basically I just want some good ol' NA power. :p

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Picolini wrote:I hope I don't get killed for even talking about this, I know how hardcore fans can get, but I remember hearing about people putting LS1's in S13's.
I sure as hell won't kill you for it. Hell if you paid for me an LS1 swap I'd probably marry you LOL.
Picolini wrote:Any info on that? Cost of an LS1? Install cost (guesstimates are fine)... do they fit in easily?
zerothread/250906

zerothread/240102

zerothread/254528

This is the forum to find LS info: zeroforum/201

And to whet your appetite: http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2gZ25g4KKg
Picolini wrote:and I know the whole "it throws off the weight distribution" don't care much
LS1 weighs less than the KA bringing the weight distribution closer to 50/50
Picolini wrote: and the whole "that's just not right" again, don't care much, fast is fast, I'll take it any way, I just like NA motors more.

Not trying to offend or piss any one off... basically I just want some good ol' NA power. :p
People that hate on the LS swap into the 240sx are stupid. Period.

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Great advice qat, thanks so much. I've already started wiki'ing and reading more on this so Ill be more familiar with it all. Thanks again =)

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AnimalCracker wrote:Great advice qat, thanks so much. I've already started wiki'ing and reading more on this so Ill be more familiar with it all. Thanks again =)
No problem. Let us know how it goes.

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AnimalCracker wrote:First off, he was afraid that the car I was looking at: http://houston.craigslist.org/car/369627701.html
Well if you don't buy that car I am!

There's no reason to assume a 240 is mistreated. Add to thank all the people on here with 240s that have over 200k on it and it's a much better bet that the car will last. Min has 205k on it now and I drive it every day. Nzmoman got 312k before he did a swap. There are plenty of other examples.

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Thanks for those great links redtop!I see I'm not alone then.

I checked out the video of some one's start up of theirs, and I'd sh*t a brick if I heard a 240 sound like that at a light! Just what I want...I wonder if any one has done an LS7...

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thomasjamal wrote:
Well if you don't buy that car I am!

There's no reason to assume a 240 is mistreated. Add to thank all the people on here with 240s that have over 200k on it and it's a much better bet that the car will last. Min has 205k on it now and I drive it every day. Nzmoman got 312k before he did a swap. There are plenty of other examples.
Im having an unfortunate series of events. Every time I talk with my dad, the liklihood of me getting a 240SX, or any mid 90s cars (even those jettas I was looking at) is getting slim.

He feels like a mid 90s car just wont last. I mean, yeah, that 240 is already 14 years old, sure, but couldnt it last me a great deal if I put time, effort, and some money into it?

Im no mechanic, but if something needed to be replaced in my car, I think Id be willing to look into it and see what I could do just to get a car body that I like...

Anyways, we ended up getting an extra 2000, so 8100. My dad wants me to look at cars from 3-6 years old.

Probably gonna get alot of blankless stares from people thinking Im being stubborn/spoiled, but honestly, whats the point of spending 8000 on a car when you arent happy with it? Sure itll last me another 5 years, but whos to say a 240 wouldnt last me 5 years if I put 5000 into it over time. At least Ill get a car that I will want to drive.

I dunno. things arent looking to great for me getting a 240sx. Really sucks because I feel like this is my only chance to own the model that I think looks best (S13 over the S14s etc).

That one has a great body too.

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As much as it sucks to hear it, I am not surprised. I get that same kind of talk every day from my family. If a 240SX is looking to be out of the question, check about getting a Subaru Impreza WRX. They're pretty fun to drive.

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Buy the car with your own money. They can't say d!ck then. Thats what I did. They also can't take it away when they get mad at you.


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