building a 700hp+ RB25DET

[toadx8u]

i have been contemplating a ford 3V mod motor with either a roush charger or a procharger in one of my s14s


Modified by toadx8u at 10:47 PM 11/27/2008

[johnny butt]

there has been a ka24det with that much power so u cant tell me the all mighty rb26dett or 2jz wont do it ill take my little 4 cylinder against your 5000 pound muscle car

horsepower and torque are two different things.

torque is probably the more accurate, necessary thing of the two.

You can have 700HP easy but your torque section of the graph will be considerably low. However you usually need more torque in the lower end of the RPM bands (just to get your wheels moving since it is rotational force and all), and the horsepower will keep you accelerating.

Me pushing 32psi is as reliable as you pushing 15psi on your stock rb.

lol i would never boost 15 psi with the stock RB turbo. My Internals would be alright but I think the turbo would crap out on me the closer to 15 I got.

anyways, good luck with your build. I think the 700HP will be manageable, but as far as TQ is concerned, I would probably look into a twin turbo setup (one small for lowend, and a bigger to compensate for the rest of the powerband).

[gismonismo]

torque key is displacement,Over 500 pounds of torque will be pointless in the schasis.But still can be manage if the suspension is tune right(which includes tires).I have seen RB25s pushing lots of torque.there weight help being heavier the this s14.The way I look att it that 500fpt in this s14 equals 600+torque on a supra or a much heavier car.I don't think no one can afford MT tires for every day use.

By the way Can you guys answer my question?About the HKS Super blowoff valve??????????????????????????????

also I still have lots of parts left from my FD3 rx7 built pm me if need some

[RB24D]

Old school Blow off ValveAnyone knows how it sounds like?

Try here http://www.935motorsports.com/bovmedia08.htm

[EfiniRX7]

Nice car.... This thread reminds me of when Rocky fought the Russian. I hope you win like Rocky did, O and Ls1pwr.... here.



My dad's 10sec small block chevy super pro car. My dad did all of his engine work himself. The car is N/A with a carburator. The block is cast iron and the head's are also iron. I think he spent 6 or 7k on the engine. I know you were looking for these pics. This wheel stand is small, I have pics with the back bumper touching the track.

I like the rb build man, Im not posting the above content as anything against your build. I know Ls1pwr was looking for wheelie pics that's why I posted, not to prove anything against a foreign engine. Im not a big fan of pistons period, Go rotory or go home.... . Now on a serious note, dyno vid NOW.

[gismonismo]

Try here http://www.935motorsports.com/bovmedia08.htm

Theres No one like mines in there.All they have is SSQV mines is a Super Blowoff valve.But thanks man anyway.

I kept my T78-33D from my 13B FD3s project and still have some parts left.PM me I got some greddy stuff that you will like if you have a 13b Garage Days is the best days.I'm still in my garage humble as fck lol

[SullivanRacing06]

first off

second i dont think your 25 will break 500 hp

third if you want to race someone come race me! u said youd beat LS1 and RB26s rite? put some money where your mouth is

[Ls1pwr]

lol @ sullivanracing06.

Efinirx7: i was talking about bolt on Ls1's, not sbc's with different heads and cam etc. still bad *** never the less.

[gismonismo]

first off

second i dont think your 25 will break 500 hp

third if you want to race someone come race me! u said youd beat LS1 and RB26s rite? put some money where your mouth is

Sure got a big mouth lolhow much?where?I still need to finish some sht but it should be ready soon.

[RCA]

Sure got a big mouth lolhow much?where?...

Ahh NICO, bringing people together since 2002(?)

[gismonismo]

[QUOTE=gismonismo]500hp??????wtf your talking about dude?you have a s13 and want to put money on a race????/dude ain't you a drifter?put my money where?

i think your a joke and you don't have the blls to come here and prove your faster then this RB25det.right?You just saying sht to make a fcking joke.cause thats what you are.dude wake up this ain't no rice sht ,you better be ready if you talk sht here.and now you have your self a deal.To late to back off bro.prove your sht.

[SullivanRacing06]

your in orlando? hell yea we should deff meet up sometime n race.

[SullivanRacing06]

few more questions, u gonna use spray? runnin on slicks or street tires? and can your car trap anywhere near a 129 on street tires? mine did on stock mafs, ecu injectors and 275 toyo t1rs, so yea u can tell me how much u wanna put down on a "race"

[SullivanRacing06]

please enlighten me, what the hell does this mean in english???

"The t70 is out of the question. More like T04 or a t51r. Ball bearing it's a good way 1.0 A/R or little less, not a .70 A/R. gt42 its gone alone with the modified gt35 and the stock crank is good for all I know they have been pushed to 900hp with no harm, but thanks man..........tuning its the key"

THIS LINE IS REALLY FUNNY TOO:

"itll need bigger injecctors like 1200cc or 1600cc.not good for me I don't think anyone can handle this car on that power level.I drove it att like 400hp and its a handfull.after The the 600+ torque has been reached its back to 600hp all day.Sorry this car will be up for sale to make room for the next proyect.but i love the car it handles well true sleeper"

hahahahah u finally realize that u will never accomplish your ridiculous goals and now u give up rather then admit u were wrong. I HATE to say it but, I TOLD U SOO!!

hahah, funny

so uve driven your car around w 400 hp n u couldnt handle it?

and sleeper? dude if u pulled up next to me at a traffic light id have my passenger kick your front bumper or side skirt off bc there so fuc!in ulgy!

and a 1200- 1600 injector? hah at 30 or 40% duty cycle, not too good for the injector, noice ebay intake manifold, funny u spend 22k on this build and u cheap out n dont spend the extra 100-250 to get a greddy intake manifold? i like were ur money goes, to $hitty parts

once more

[SullivanRacing06]

500hp??????wtf your talking about dude?you have a s13 and want to put money on a race????/dude ain't you a drifter?put my money where?

i think your a joke and you don't have the blls to come here and prove your faster then this RB25det.right?You just saying sht to make a fcking joke.cause thats what you are.dude wake up this ain't no rice sht ,you better be ready if you talk sht here.and now you have your self a deal.To late to back off bro.prove your sht.

hmm im here, im ready, no $hit talkin though, hmm lets see, u should move to the rb forums with this build so we can flame on you some more.

and yes i am a joke, but your a tool,

for the "arent you a drifter" comment, been there done that

a rb28 and a t78 love to slide but the M/Ts on the back get eatin up a little to fast just to be going sideways,

and for the race part.... what do u wanna do? dig? 20? 40? 60? how about a good old game of texas hold em down i 75, first to 190+ wins? sounds fair?

[toadx8u]

few more questions, u gonna use spray? runnin on slicks or street tires? and can your car trap anywhere near a 129 on street tires? mine did on stock mafs, ecu injectors and 275 toyo t1rs, so yea u can tell me how much u wanna put down on a "race"

hmmmmm you say you trapped 129 in the 1/4 on a bunch of stock stuff? what was your ET...im very curious about this since i really only ever trap 117 to 119 and i think 125 was the highest i ever trapped...what were your 60s like too? im guessing your running a big rear end gear like the 4.4 to manage that?

not doubting you man but i just know what it takes to trap that

[EfiniRX7]

^ He said his trap times were in the 12's . To be honest thats not that fast. I also know the 60ft times were 2.29 or something. A roll race is alot different than a drag race. My dad's car traps at 120-122 running 10's, his back slicks are 33x14.5 on 15x15 wheels with M/T slicks. SullivanRacing06 says he traped at 129 on street tires? Im sure your car is fast SullivanRacing06 but I dont believe you. The numbers dont add up. I grew up around drag racing, watching it every weekend then driving when I hit 16. I think your full of . I believe you car runs 12's, I also believe gizmo's car will be as capable as yours. If you think 12's are fast, my FD runs 12's. I dont know why people have to be jerks to others.

Also gizmo, are you using a 44mm waste gate? You should look into a 50mm(good for my FD's to4e. Im sure your turbo would appriciate it as well, seeing as how it's much bigger than mine).

[gismonismo]

we count the % of so if its a 80% duty we say 20%.Put never mind that.I don't need nos to get a 10 sec pass.I know your joking around,Also you don't have the money or car to back up your sht.Find a friends car to race me I told every one here I don't give a fck.

[toadx8u]

i agree with you the #s just dont add up....but the 2.29 60' explains the high trap speed...i pull 1.5-1.6 60s and my ET was usually a mid 11...my RB25 s14 went 12.2 with stock injectors stock turbo stock ecu and 12 lbs of boost weighing 2995...it was also dynoed at 312 whp

so just carry your smack talk somewhere else sullivanracing06 and quit ruining someones build thread

[gismonismo]

no

^ He said his trap times were in the 12's . To be honest thats not that fast. I also know the 60ft times were 2.29 or something. A roll race is alot different than a drag race. My dad's car traps at 120-122 running 10's, his back slicks are 33x14.5 on 15x15 wheels with M/T slicks. SullivanRacing06 says he traped at 129 on street tires? Im sure your car is fast SullivanRacing06 but I dont believe you. The numbers dont add up. I grew up around drag racing, watching it every weekend then driving when I hit 16. I think your full of . I believe you car runs 12's, I also believe gizmo's car will be as capable as yours. If you think 12's are fast, my FD runs 12's. I dont know why people have to be jerks to others.

Also gizmo, are you using a 44mm waste gate? You should look into a 50mm(good for my FD's to4e. Im sure your turbo would appriciate it as well, seeing as how it's much bigger than mine).

44mm? is a tial 60mm but thanks for the tip man , twin bov Also I got some m/t waiting for the break in way ahead of you man lol.Your a lucky one man your dad knows his stuff.If I loved torque I would have built a ss and spend 22k like that btch said on some thing that will melt the road.But this are the ones that sell.Its sad but true man. later

[EfiniRX7]

i agree with you the #s just dont add up....but the 2.29 60' explains the high trap speed...i pull 1.5-1.6 60s and my ET was usually a mid 11...my RB25 s14 went 12.2 with stock injectors stock turbo stock ecu and 12 lbs of boost weighing 2995...it was also dynoed at 312 whp

so just carry your smack talk somewhere else sullivanracing06 and quit ruining someones build thread

True that. There is no way sullivanracing06 had the horse power to trap 129 with crappy 60ft times, on a factory tune. sullivanracing06 did say stock ecu, maf, and injectors=stock tune,129mph I dont think so.

Good luck Gizmonismo with your build, it looks good so far. What were you planning on using for an ecu? You should check out Electramotive. Electramotive makes real good stuff. The precision capabilities of the Tech3r(what you would have to use) would be a must for the numbers you want. Tha last thing you want is all of your hard work to blow up, us rotary guy's know something about that(the blowing up I mean). My FD hit 21lbs on stock twins when I still had them, due to the corrections the Electramotive made my engine survived to do the same thing two more times. My apex seals are still in one piece. Also what's on your valve cover, looks good.

[gismonismo]

I'll be runing a FC D jetro for a rb26 the guy is going to tune it for 600hp att 19psi.I told him what I have and he told me its a good start until break in.Then I'll fly him over and see if he can get me runing 700hp all day.will see.Remember predicting hp is a waiste of time but you should be able to have an idea based on your set up.I know my fuel is good for 700hp my port is about 800 to 900hp and my turbo is for 720hp.ect.will see.

on the valve cover was my son in law that painted that and sign itlol now he went back to Iraq.It's a ninja but looks like some dragon ball z type or naruto whatever.I can't do nothing about that now.lol

[Kalypso]

interesting thread we have here...

[SullivanRacing06]

yes very interesting thread indeed, mabey you should zoom in to the rb thread and look at my car n motor set up,

no need for me to lie about a time slip, i dont drive a honda sorry

[EfiniRX7]

yes very interesting thread indeed, mabey you should zoom in to the rb thread and look at my car n motor set up,

no need for me to lie about a time slip, i dont drive a honda sorry

I looked at your engine set-up, and it's very nice. I still dont think you traped at 129 with a stock ecu, stock injectors, and a stock maf. An rb with stock ecu can only be in the 300's power wise. Im not saying you have never ran the numbers you claim just not with a basic mod rb. I also dont drive a Honda. I have a half-bridge t04e FD(set up for time attack), ran with an Electramotive standalone, cruzing on RacingGear coilovers with swift springs, full roll cage(stripped and finished interior), v-mount, and a Defined Autoworks(local shop) built 304 stainless turboback exhaust, and all the other go fast parts you would expect from a track driven FD. My daily driver is also not a honda, it's a 97 s14 soon to be KA-T. My daily driver before that was also not a honda, a CA powered s13 hatch(hated it). I guess I just dont know why you have to trash gizmo's thread. Giz is building a nice engine and you know it.

[S13Joe]

i was actually kinda following this thread until it became too stupid. This isnt fast and the furious you idiots, its the fckin internet, calm down. fools

[Kalypso]

yes very interesting thread indeed, mabey you should zoom in to the rb thread and look at my car n motor set up,

no need for me to lie about a time slip, i don't drive a honda sorry

um... ok

[gismonismo]

lol man I can fck with anyone I want.It's all a joke until we meet on the street.He has a RB26dett and ricky was telling me sht about hes car today that it has this and that.This is a joke for me.lol.you cant go over 500hp in a rb s13 no matter what they say.its just to much for the chasis after that its all lose happy tail sht.Don't come here telling me your pushing more then 500hp in that chasis on street tires.lol what a joke.No one here has ever built a RB25det like mines.So save your opinions for some one who will belive in theories.I felt like a kid daring a mild built rb26dett lol.

[Kalypso]

dear god is everyone here this cocky? does it really matter?

...I suppose less displacement, less ego. all hail the sr20det

[S13_love]

second i dont think your 25 will break 500 hp

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