Boy Who Cried Iraq

Post by **MaineExport** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Originally posted by VimyJ "]Maine, you've done it again.

Somebody had to drag you kicking and screaming back into the good fight!

Using the rationale of preemptive self defence, one could suppose that bin Laden thinks he was justified in his attacks on 9-11.

Well D'uh! Obviously Bin Laden feels justified in his actions. But NO... the rational mind could not justify his actions as being similar to ours... there is no provocation as was the case in Iraq.

And so it goes.

Vonnegut fan perhapse?

Post by **MaineExport** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

VimyJ wrote:
Any bias I have towards the president is based upon his foolish actions and statements.

Well well well!!

So you want to talk about quotes making the man. How do these sound:"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." --Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." --Al Gore, Vice President

"We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur." --Al Gore, VP

Yeah... maybe you're right...

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

MaineExport wrote:I happen to think the Greg Giraldo quote is dead-on! (both quotes for that matter)

And he's not picking on the man because of his weight. He is saying that if you are going to be ranting about the evils of American excesses... perhaps your argument would be more well recieved if you were not a gluttonous swine yourself.

In the words of one of our favorite NICO member of all times:

"SEE ALSO: Pot, kettle, black"

I know what the quote meant

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

MaineExport wrote:Well well well!!

So you want to talk about quotes making the man. How do these sound:"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." --Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." --Al Gore, Vice President

"We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur." --Al Gore, VP

Yeah... maybe you're right...

That quote you posted about the pollution was not by Al Gore it was Dan Quayle. Get your facts straight

Post by **MaineExport** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Originally posted by 89240sx "]I know what the quote meant

Then why would you say Giraldo was picking on Moore because he's fat?:rolleyes

Originally posted by 89240sx That quote you posted about the pollution was not by Al Gore it was Dan Quayle. Get your facts straight

I'm willing to accept the fact that my source may be wrong, but if you're going to refute what is posted, please cite your source. It is entirely possible that you're right, but if you say the sky is pink I'm not going to tell you otherwise without some sort of substantiation.

So... YOU go get my facts straight.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Quote »''Halabja was a town of 45,000,'' says professor Christine Gosden, head of Medical Genetics at Liverpool University in north- west England. ''Of those 5,000 died in the attack. I wanted to see what had happened to the others, especially the women and children. Of course I hoped they would be well But tragically that was not the case. Many are very ill and in a dreadful state.''

Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's chemical arsenal comprises mustard gas, which causes blistering of the skin and lungs, and several types of nerve gas -- tabun, sarin, soman and VX. All of these, with the possible exception of VX, were used at Halabja.[/quote]you think 9-11 was bad? look what saddam did TO HIS OWN PEOPLEthis is why saddam is a bad person, i dont even car that he didnt have WMD, i dont care that bush made it up that he did, he got rid of a scumbag when the rest of the world wasn't going to do s*** about it.

here are some random quotes from saddam controled media:

"[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them."Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

"What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds."Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999 (State-controlled newspaper)

U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000"[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."Iraq TV, October 22, 2000 (State-controlled)

"The real perpetrators [of September 11] are within the collapsed buildings."Alif-Ba, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"[America] will not be excluded from the operations and explosions of the Arab and Muslim mujahidin and all the honest strugglers in the world."Iraq News Agency, January 30, 1991 (State-controlled)

Post by **VimyJ** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Looks like a bunch of empty rhetoric to me. Propaganda for the masses. Looks like you bought into it.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

propaganda for the masses? are you reading the line of s*** that saddam is feeding to his own uneducated and suppressed people?

But i guess your right, the whole halabja massacre was probably backed and planed by the CIA like you claim every other problem in the world was.

Post by **VimyJ** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

No imminent threat to the US. Sorry it is so simple but that is the fact of the matter.

Don't tell me you are buying the line bush is attempting to sell to his own uneducated people.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

i dont care if saddam wasn't a imminent threat, i care that he was killing his own people.

How does forming my own independent opinion make me uneducated? Please dont insult me ever again. I dont like bush, i never have and i never will, but i give him credit for getting rid of saddam.

Post by **Nathan** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

VimyJ, are you so callous to the other people in this world that you ONLY care about an imminent threat to the US but not the lives of tens of thousands of others? Tell me one thing, do you think that Iraq posed any threat to the US at all? I'm hoping it just wasn't imminent enough for you and that you aren't truly foolish enough to think that Iraq posed no threat at all in any way to the US.

Post by **Jesda** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Okay, so Saddam and family threw their own people into wood chippers, but at least they had the courtesy of asking feet first or head first!

Its just never enough for the left-wingers...Kill babies, release rapists, ban guns, punish SUV owners, but oh dear god DONT overthrow a dictator! That would be... uhh... wrong!... wait a second here...

****ed up values. I was once a proud liberal. I wised up.

-Jesda

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

J-Spec Tuner wrote:propaganda for the masses? are you reading the line of s*** that saddam is feeding to his own uneducated and suppressed people?

But i guess your right, the whole halabja massacre was probably backed and planed by the CIA like you claim every other problem in the world was.

oh i c ... so Bush's line of bull**** and propoganda to his suppressed people is ok??

Well it must have been since we put him in power....

When the US and Saddam were buddies he was some kind of angel..... I mean he just recently acquired evilness right?

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Jesda wrote:Okay, so Saddam and family threw their own people into wood chippers, but at least they had the courtesy of asking feet first or head first!

Its just never enough for the left-wingers...Kill babies, release rapists, ban guns, punish SUV owners, but oh dear god DONT overthrow a dictator! That would be... uhh... wrong!... wait a second here...

****ed up values. I was once a proud liberal. I wised up.

-Jesda

:rolleyes give me a break

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Nathan wrote:VimyJ, are you so callous to the other people in this world that you ONLY care about an imminent threat to the US but not the lives of tens of thousands of others? Tell me one thing, do you think that Iraq posed any threat to the US at all? I'm hoping it just wasn't imminent enough for you and that you aren't truly foolish enough to think that Iraq posed no threat at all in any way to the US.

It is not about callousness it is about lies and propaganda... If Bush lied about the threat to the US what else is he lying about?

But of course all of the conservative jingoist flag thumpers will eat up all the Bull**** about Saddam because the US is so innocent in all this :rolleyes

If all of you want to live in this "security" blanket that Bush is forcing on you then crawl up into your bomb shelters and believe all the bull**** that comes out of the US. I have not seen so many naive people in one country.

Let me tell you a secret.... ok first... the media is NOT liberal and they rarely tell the whole truth... Secondly... I'm sure if you could take the amount of murder the US has directly or indirectly caused since it's birth and it will outweigh any other country in the same time frames.

So chew up your propaganda in your bomb shelter and lock YOUR DOORS!!! quick the boogie man is coming!

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

and one last thing... most of you just have your panties in a wad because you cant handle the fact that somebody in the world could possibly hate the americans!!! omg thats me????? what do i do??? BOMB THEM!

Post by **skydragoness** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

it is about lies.

what would of happened if the government just came out with the truth? "remember the puppet regime that we set up in the 70's in Iraq? the one that was supposed to benefit us? well he is no longer our puppet and we need to take him out" that's a lot better said, that the goverment wants to rectify a past mistake seems more noble rather than invoking fear and pity (such a easy thing to do, and apparently works very well), and pushing the idea that iraq harbors terrorists, that 9/11 will happen all over again, we are going to die, my leg hurts, if we don't do this it will be WW3, he tried to kill my dad, and blah blah blah. fear controls the masses. invoke the public's emotions--it always works. and works to the advantage of the government's agenda --no matter what political party is in office, liberal OR conservative.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote:oh i c ... so Bush's line of bull**** and propoganda to his suppressed people is ok??

Well it must have been since we put him in power....

When the US and Saddam were buddies he was some kind of angel..... I mean he just recently acquired evilness right?

first off, I do NOT feel suppressed and neither does 99.8% of america. I cant belive you think everything that comes out of the presidents mouth is a lie. You are in the minority.

Like i said before, i dont like bush and i certaily wont vote for him in the next election, but im perfectly fine with him getting rid of saddam.

If you do not see that saddam was a bad person you are blind, and if you do not see that we were on his side temporarily only to fight proxy wars with russia you are blind. Saddam was on good behavior when he was allied with the US, as soon as we left things turned sour.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote::rolleyes give me a break

give you a break on what? If your going to quote someone why dont you say something worth while, your saying you disagree with no reasoning.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote:It is not about callousness it is about lies and propaganda... If Bush lied about the threat to the US what else is he lying about?

probably nothing, unless you have some other subject you would like to bring to the attention of america

Quote »But of course all of the conservative jingoist flag thumpers will eat up all the Bull**** about Saddam because the US is so innocent in all this :rolleyes [/quote]the US is innocent of all of the murder saddam has caused to his own people.

Quote »If all of you want to live in this "security" blanket that Bush is forcing on you then crawl up into your bomb shelters and believe all the bull**** that comes out of the US. I have not seen so many naive people in one country.[/quote]I personally like that saddam is gone, the world feels like a safer place already, on to north korea. The point is to not feel unsafe at the hands of crazy people on the other side of the world. And saddam has been openly threatening the US for YEARS.

Quote »Let me tell you a secret.... ok first... the media is NOT liberal and they rarely tell the whole truth... Secondly... I'm sure if you could take the amount of murder the US has directly or indirectly caused since it's birth and it will outweigh any other country in the same time frames.[/quote]so the US has murdered more than 23 million of its own citizens like stalin did? And i we set up deathcamps for the murder of 6+ million jews like hitler did? The milllions upon millions of deaths in africa are also caused by the US i guess too? Get your facts strait.

Quote »So chew up your propaganda in your bomb shelter and lock YOUR DOORS!!! quick the boogie man is coming! [/quote]

the only people im scared of are the ones who think it is alright to let a mad man stay in control of an entire country by dictatorship.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote:and one last thing... most of you just have your panties in a wad because you cant handle the fact that somebody in the world could possibly hate the americans!!! omg thats me????? what do i do??? BOMB THEM!

i can deal with it, so can everyone else, your the only one making a big deal about it. The US doesnt just bomb countries for not liking them, we are rational and almost nothing is done without the approval of congress, another body of elected officials who agreed with bush.

Post by **MaineExport** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote: I have not seen so many naive people in one country.

Stop walking around in your house of mirrors and that problem will probably go away.

I can't fathom the fact that you are so misguided and absurd as to think that the "masses" in the US are "suppressed", and that somehow YOU are more enlightened than the rest of us. :rolleyes

Do you honestly believe that somehow you have been let in on the "big secret" and that the rest of us are just fools following Bush blindly into whatever diabolical, nefarious scheme he has in store for us? If anyone here has been "convinced", it is you... into thinking that you have a leg up on the crowd. You have OBVIOUSLY been fed some pretty bogus opinions. But again.. at least you represent yours as just that... opinions. Vimy still seems to think that if it manifests itself in his head, then through divine grace, it must be fact.

Post by **Nathan** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

I was going to say something but J-Spec and Maine did such a good job...why bother! 89, your clearly far too intelligent and all knowing for us to ever hope to convince you that you dont represent the "masses".

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

MaineExport wrote:the rest of us are just fools following Bush blindly into whatever diabolical, nefarious scheme he has in store for us?

Yes

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

J-Spec Tuner wrote:first off, I do NOT feel suppressed and neither does 99.8% of america. I cant belive you think everything that comes out of the presidents mouth is a lie. You are in the minority.

Like i said before, i dont like bush and i certaily wont vote for him in the next election, but im perfectly fine with him getting rid of saddam.

If you do not see that saddam was a bad person you are blind, and if you do not see that we were on his side temporarily only to fight proxy wars with russia you are blind. Saddam was on good behavior when he was allied with the US, as soon as we left things turned sour.

Ok, GET your facts straight .... I know saddam was a bad person and I was not saying he was not.

and secondly he was on good behavior??? that makes me laugh ... like i said Naive

and Third , we used Saddam to fight Iran not Russia ... that was Afghanistan and Bin Laden.

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

Nathan wrote:I was going to say something but J-Spec and Maine did such a good job...why bother! 89, your clearly far too intelligent and all knowing for us to ever hope to convince you that you dont represent the "masses".

I never said that the masses were not complete fools and fall for all the bull**** propaganda coming out of Bush's mouth.

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

J-Spec Tuner wrote:give you a break on what? If your going to quote someone why dont you say something worth while, your saying you disagree with no reasoning.

What is the point on commenting on that , it was totally absurd and moronic. Was not worth my time

Post by **89240sx** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

MaineExport wrote:
I can't fathom the fact that you are so misguided and absurd as to think that the "masses" in the US are "suppressed", and that somehow YOU are more enlightened than the rest of us. :rolleyes

I never claimed to be enlightened I just claimed to question the half *** authority in this country. Something I suggest all of you start doing or else you will turn into puppets.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote:I never claimed to be enlightened I just claimed to question the half *** authority in this country. Something I suggest all of you start doing or else you will turn into puppets.

nope, you claimed we were "conservative jingoist flag thumpers" and never questioned authority, you judged it.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:35 am

89240sx wrote:Ok, GET your facts straight .... I know saddam was a bad person and I was not saying he was not.

and secondly he was on good behavior??? that makes me laugh ... like i said Naive

and Third , we used Saddam to fight Iran not Russia ... that was Afghanistan and Bin Laden.

1) im glad you admit saddam is a bad person

2) yup he was on good behavior when we were controling him, go look it up in a history book

3) didn't you learn what a proxy war was back in middle school like everyone else? Iran was AFFILIATED with communist russia just like iraq was AFFILIATED with america.

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