http://www.theboywhocriediraq.com/
Where's Vimyj?
Boy Who Cried Iraq
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yeah good read. I always get suspicious with those propaganda type essays though. I donno, I mean I definetly agree with him, but I cant help from feeling that I'm being minipulated when he just HAS to include those little catch phrases and seemingly one sided information.
I guess the only thing I've really learned from all of this is that you really cant trust anybody when it comes down to it. I hate to say it, but it's just been too much lately- all the garbage that's floating around. It's hard to tell what is real and what isnt nowadays.
I guess the only thing I've really learned from all of this is that you really cant trust anybody when it comes down to it. I hate to say it, but it's just been too much lately- all the garbage that's floating around. It's hard to tell what is real and what isnt nowadays.
Couldn't read the whole essay (gotta get crackin on homework), but he makes some very valid points, yet some facts are a little off. Here is another good, yet very condensed site to take a look at.
http://www.notowar.com/iraq/True_or_False.html
http://www.notowar.com/iraq/True_or_False.html
After reading VimyJ's posts...
::applause::
It's a shame I rarely visited the boards then, we would've had a lot to talk about.
The rant by Dan Berman's is in-depth but is missing a few more facts I'll add here.
*1961- Congo/Zaire- Per Eisenhower's request, the CIA assassinate Patrice Lumumba in the name of bling bling and back thirty years of harsh dictatorship by Mobutu Sese Siko. It is estimated that 130,000 thousand during his tyranny. At the time, many prominent government officials had a vested interest in the "goldmine" province of mineral and diamond rich province of Katanga.
*1960's-now- U.S. government train and supply the murderous Colombian military with $1.5 billion in weapons. In a murderously martinet oppression of the Colombian people, it's estimated that a quarter million civilians have been murdered since U.S. intervention.
*1964-1974- Another U.S. backed military coup goes in a killing spree, methodically torturing and murdering 11,000 people in an attempt to overthrow a democracy in Greece.
*1947- U.S. forces Italian gov. to eliminate all socialist and communist members of Italian before providing US Aid. Little is known that the U.S. had a hand in the growth of the mafia as well. Mussolini purged Italy of the mafia, ruthlessly killing or imprisoning known mafioso. When the U.S. liberated Italy, it is been suggested that some officials took bribes from the mafia and made the mobsters heads of local villages and towns. Vicious mafia groups like the Corleonesi came to dominate Cosa Nostra for decades, killing hundreds during their reign.
*1969-1973- The US Air Force drops millions upon millions of pounds of bombs and napalm on Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam killing a total of 3 million civilians during the period whilst enforcing American presence in Thailand with an iron-fist, crushing any opposition led by civilians. An entirely agrarian region, Southeast Asia was devastated by the bombing and the effects can be seen today. Fields can no longer be farmed on thus forcing farmers to retreat to the cities. The countries of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam now sit at the bottom of the third-world totem pole. AIDS, Child prostitution, corruption, heroine production, crime are among the highest in the world.
::applause::
It's a shame I rarely visited the boards then, we would've had a lot to talk about.
The rant by Dan Berman's is in-depth but is missing a few more facts I'll add here.
*1961- Congo/Zaire- Per Eisenhower's request, the CIA assassinate Patrice Lumumba in the name of bling bling and back thirty years of harsh dictatorship by Mobutu Sese Siko. It is estimated that 130,000 thousand during his tyranny. At the time, many prominent government officials had a vested interest in the "goldmine" province of mineral and diamond rich province of Katanga.
*1960's-now- U.S. government train and supply the murderous Colombian military with $1.5 billion in weapons. In a murderously martinet oppression of the Colombian people, it's estimated that a quarter million civilians have been murdered since U.S. intervention.
*1964-1974- Another U.S. backed military coup goes in a killing spree, methodically torturing and murdering 11,000 people in an attempt to overthrow a democracy in Greece.
*1947- U.S. forces Italian gov. to eliminate all socialist and communist members of Italian before providing US Aid. Little is known that the U.S. had a hand in the growth of the mafia as well. Mussolini purged Italy of the mafia, ruthlessly killing or imprisoning known mafioso. When the U.S. liberated Italy, it is been suggested that some officials took bribes from the mafia and made the mobsters heads of local villages and towns. Vicious mafia groups like the Corleonesi came to dominate Cosa Nostra for decades, killing hundreds during their reign.
*1969-1973- The US Air Force drops millions upon millions of pounds of bombs and napalm on Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam killing a total of 3 million civilians during the period whilst enforcing American presence in Thailand with an iron-fist, crushing any opposition led by civilians. An entirely agrarian region, Southeast Asia was devastated by the bombing and the effects can be seen today. Fields can no longer be farmed on thus forcing farmers to retreat to the cities. The countries of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam now sit at the bottom of the third-world totem pole. AIDS, Child prostitution, corruption, heroine production, crime are among the highest in the world.
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Im not saying i nessecarily disagree with this person, but i cannot stand fanaticle s*** like this:
Quote »As American bombs are indiscriminately obliterating Iraqi building, soldier, and civilian alike[/quote]Yes, in the day of laser guided bombs the american army randomly lobs bombs into civilian towns.
Quote »What you are not being told is George Bush's illegal and immoral war against Iraq is solely for money and oil[/quote]bush earns money from this how?
Quote »The American government has no interest in saving Iraqi lives any more than necessary for public support.[/quote]anybody else have trouble swallowing this?
Quote »But right here in Nevada and we are storing, and actively developing and testing, illegal chemical weapons featuring Anthrax, VX gas, and everything else Saddam is accused of harboring.[/quote]im glad we have these wepons, When you know how something works, the beter prepared you are to fight against it. And we all know our government has a big reputation for using chemical wepons on our enemies :rolleyes
Quote »Unfortunately, the only country really arming the terrorists is America.[/quote]so i guess the stock piles of french armerment illigally sold to hussein were all just figments of our imagination.
Quote »Why is it that I have to go to other counties' news sources to get accurate information? Why doesn't CNN show, or even talk about, all of the 1000+ Iraqi civilian casualties? They're making headlines all over the rest of the world.[/quote]well because the tens of thousands of civilians that hussein murderd might stand out a bit more to some people.
im not even going to continue to point out what i concider large falacies in his completely one sided argument. He goes on to talk about civilian casualties as if the american army is making no effort to prevent them, while at the same time is condoning that the pro-saddam militia is dressing in civilian clothing and fighting americans. He equates bush to a moddern day hitler, something that i take massive offense to. Hitler was out to erradicate an entire creed and expand the third reich over the entire world. Do you see america waging war with entire continants and setting up deathcamps for iraqis? "war is hell" and a war without civilian or soldier casualies has never existed.
Im sorry if some of you dont agree with me, there is nothing i can do about it.
Quote »As American bombs are indiscriminately obliterating Iraqi building, soldier, and civilian alike[/quote]Yes, in the day of laser guided bombs the american army randomly lobs bombs into civilian towns.
Quote »What you are not being told is George Bush's illegal and immoral war against Iraq is solely for money and oil[/quote]bush earns money from this how?
Quote »The American government has no interest in saving Iraqi lives any more than necessary for public support.[/quote]anybody else have trouble swallowing this?
Quote »But right here in Nevada and we are storing, and actively developing and testing, illegal chemical weapons featuring Anthrax, VX gas, and everything else Saddam is accused of harboring.[/quote]im glad we have these wepons, When you know how something works, the beter prepared you are to fight against it. And we all know our government has a big reputation for using chemical wepons on our enemies :rolleyes
Quote »Unfortunately, the only country really arming the terrorists is America.[/quote]so i guess the stock piles of french armerment illigally sold to hussein were all just figments of our imagination.
Quote »Why is it that I have to go to other counties' news sources to get accurate information? Why doesn't CNN show, or even talk about, all of the 1000+ Iraqi civilian casualties? They're making headlines all over the rest of the world.[/quote]well because the tens of thousands of civilians that hussein murderd might stand out a bit more to some people.
im not even going to continue to point out what i concider large falacies in his completely one sided argument. He goes on to talk about civilian casualties as if the american army is making no effort to prevent them, while at the same time is condoning that the pro-saddam militia is dressing in civilian clothing and fighting americans. He equates bush to a moddern day hitler, something that i take massive offense to. Hitler was out to erradicate an entire creed and expand the third reich over the entire world. Do you see america waging war with entire continants and setting up deathcamps for iraqis? "war is hell" and a war without civilian or soldier casualies has never existed.
Im sorry if some of you dont agree with me, there is nothing i can do about it.
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J-Spec Tuner wrote:Im not saying i nessecarily disagree with this person, but i cannot stand fanaticle s*** like this:
Yes, in the day of laser guided bombs the american army randomly lobs bombs into civilian towns.
bush earns money from this how?
anybody else have trouble swallowing this?
im glad we have these wepons, When you know how something works, the beter prepared you are to fight against it. And we all know our government has a big reputation for using chemical wepons on our enemies :rolleyes
so i guess the stock piles of french armerment illigally sold to hussein were all just figments of our imagination.
well because the tens of thousands of civilians that hussein murderd might stand out a bit more to some people.
im not even going to continue to point out what i concider large falacies in his completely one sided argument. He goes on to talk about civilian casualties as if the american army is making no effort to prevent them, while at the same time is condoning that the pro-saddam militia is dressing in civilian clothing and fighting americans. He equates bush to a moddern day hitler, something that i take massive offense to. Hitler was out to erradicate an entire creed and expand the third reich over the entire world. Do you see america waging war with entire continants and setting up deathcamps for iraqis? "war is hell" and a war without civilian or soldier casualies has never existed.
Im sorry if some of you dont agree with me, there is nothing i can do about it.
didn't want to get into this but...
1.these bombs aren't as accurate as you think, and the intelligence is rarely, as good as you are lead to beleive, remeber those pharmaceutical plants that we hit in sudan?? those were laser guided bombs, they are only as smart as the people using them
2.bush cheney et all have many ties to the companies that are now running/rebuilding iraq, many of these companies tend to "donate" obscene amounts of money to their campaings and other fundraising events, the link is easy to make
3.no i don't have a problem with this, as long as the american people care about the people of Iraq, the govt. will attempt to save lives, if they dindn't care/weren't informed, the govt. would kill as many people as it wanteddon't beleive me, see the indscriminant carpet bombings of cambodia, the bombing of an iraninan passenger jet for no reason, vietnam,.... i could go on for a very long time
4. yeah we don't use chemical weapons, no never have, never, honest... all we do is give evil regimes chemical weapons so that they can use them on other people, see: Iran, Iraq warand remeber this is the same govt. that has said that the use of nuclear weapons is a legitimate option, has backed out of numerous internatioanl treaties, and what else.... oh yeah.. has dropped 2 nuclear bombs on civilian cities
5.just cause others are arming evil groups of people this makes it right for the us govt. to do it???
6. so the american media should never show the truth as it is?? only the parts of the truth that seem to be good for them??
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Yes,The world is a horrible place now that Saddam Hussein is gone! We should just give the country back now that we have not found Weapons of Mass Destruction. "Sorry Saddam" we really didn’t mean to take over your country.
Why the hell do people think that GW invaded Iraq for money and oil? It’s costing the American Tax payers money to keep that country going and no oil is flowing out of it? Makes no damn sense.
I have always advocated the removal and trial of Saddam. He was an evil tyrant whose murderous rule kept down the country of Iraq and nearly cost Iran its country. We didn’t need to invade Iraq on the premise that they were harboring or developing Weapons of Mass Destruction. We simple needed to apologize to the World that Saddam was a leader that we (the US) put into power (don’t believe me? Explain why Saddam was on CIA payroll before his rise to power) and that it was our job to correct our previous mistake. The United States of America has propped up many dictators to serve is purposed through out the years and in the name of fighting Communism during the Cold War. I am not condoning it. Europe, China, Russia and the United States have pretty much screwed up a lot of countries in the name of its own advancement. Kingdoms and Empire will rise and fall, I guess our Republic has changed to a temporary Empire, lets see if we can change it back.
I did hear a cool quote. If Islam is responsible for terrorism, Christianity is responsible for Fascism.
Why the hell do people think that GW invaded Iraq for money and oil? It’s costing the American Tax payers money to keep that country going and no oil is flowing out of it? Makes no damn sense.
I have always advocated the removal and trial of Saddam. He was an evil tyrant whose murderous rule kept down the country of Iraq and nearly cost Iran its country. We didn’t need to invade Iraq on the premise that they were harboring or developing Weapons of Mass Destruction. We simple needed to apologize to the World that Saddam was a leader that we (the US) put into power (don’t believe me? Explain why Saddam was on CIA payroll before his rise to power) and that it was our job to correct our previous mistake. The United States of America has propped up many dictators to serve is purposed through out the years and in the name of fighting Communism during the Cold War. I am not condoning it. Europe, China, Russia and the United States have pretty much screwed up a lot of countries in the name of its own advancement. Kingdoms and Empire will rise and fall, I guess our Republic has changed to a temporary Empire, lets see if we can change it back.
I did hear a cool quote. If Islam is responsible for terrorism, Christianity is responsible for Fascism.
Wow, thanks for the conspiracy theories and other useless bull****. My IQ has increased zero points from this thread. Much of the garbage spewed is no better than typical knee-jerk vernacular used to tug at emotional heart strings at the expense of logical and coherent thought.
Guess what kids, there are only TWO companies on this freaking planet that can do the oil infrastructure repair and service that Halliburton does. ONLY TWO! And other oil companies like BP outsource such jobs to... HALLIBURTON! The US government picked a company with vast experience, and Cheney, having had a FORMER position at the company, knows this best. Cheney's finances by the way, are kept in a private trust he has no access to or control over, as required by law, to avoid conflict of interest.
When you whiners drop the clever one-liners and come up with some research and have hard truths, check back with me.
By the way, I'm thankful for the past US presence in Thailand. It saved my birth country from communist control and is probably the reason my relatives are ALIVE. They are out in the rural areas that are prone to communist propaganda and/or brutal recruiting techniques. If not for the US, I'd probably be in Thailand living under a communist regime, or dead along with the rest of my family.
Dissent is a necessary part of a free market of ideas, but emotionally driven propaganda is an unfortunate downside (like the essay presented to us here), so we take the bad with the good and enjoy free speech.
Fighting brutal regimes, saving the world over and over and OVER... the world owes the US many thank yous.
Did the US have to fight in WW2? No.Did the US have to send 200 marines to Africa to save 500,000 people from the control of rebels? No.Did the US have to remove Saddam and his sons, who throw people live into woodchippers and put children in hard prisons? No.Did the US have to save South Korea from Chinese and North Korean communists? No.
We're hard-working, generous people.
Its one of thousands of reasons I'm proud to be a US citizen.
-Jesda
Guess what kids, there are only TWO companies on this freaking planet that can do the oil infrastructure repair and service that Halliburton does. ONLY TWO! And other oil companies like BP outsource such jobs to... HALLIBURTON! The US government picked a company with vast experience, and Cheney, having had a FORMER position at the company, knows this best. Cheney's finances by the way, are kept in a private trust he has no access to or control over, as required by law, to avoid conflict of interest.
When you whiners drop the clever one-liners and come up with some research and have hard truths, check back with me.
By the way, I'm thankful for the past US presence in Thailand. It saved my birth country from communist control and is probably the reason my relatives are ALIVE. They are out in the rural areas that are prone to communist propaganda and/or brutal recruiting techniques. If not for the US, I'd probably be in Thailand living under a communist regime, or dead along with the rest of my family.
Dissent is a necessary part of a free market of ideas, but emotionally driven propaganda is an unfortunate downside (like the essay presented to us here), so we take the bad with the good and enjoy free speech.
Fighting brutal regimes, saving the world over and over and OVER... the world owes the US many thank yous.
Did the US have to fight in WW2? No.Did the US have to send 200 marines to Africa to save 500,000 people from the control of rebels? No.Did the US have to remove Saddam and his sons, who throw people live into woodchippers and put children in hard prisons? No.Did the US have to save South Korea from Chinese and North Korean communists? No.
We're hard-working, generous people.
Its one of thousands of reasons I'm proud to be a US citizen.
-Jesda
Jesda wrote:
Did the US have to fight in WW2? No.Did the US have to send 200 marines to Africa to save 500,000 people from the control of rebels? No.Did the US have to remove Saddam and his sons, who throw people live into woodchippers and put children in hard prisons? No.Did the US have to save South Korea from Chinese and North Korean communists? No.
-Jesda
while were on the line
Did the US have to back and support a overthrow of the popularly elelcted marxist of regime of Salvador Allende and replace him with dictator Augusto Pinochet who went on to kill tens of thousands of innocent people? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to financially/economically/politically back the Shah of Iran as he retook power from a popularly elected democratic government that had taken power from the Shah, the same Shah who was well known for being a tyrant, murderer and oppresor of free speech?? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support Ferdinand Marcos a brutal dictator, and tyrant who killed thousands and stole money from his own people? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support the Duvalier family dictatorship for 30 years in Haiti, and then oppose reformers in Haiti? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support a military overthrow of the democratically elected Venezualan President Hugo Chavez (this happened around 2 years ago)? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support Saddam Hussein and give him the money, and military hardware, and support and chemical weapons that he needed to fight a war against Iran. Which allowed Saddam to gain even more power?? No. Did it? YesI could go for a very very long time. But i beleive my point has been made.
Jesda wrote:Wow, thanks for the conspiracy theories and other useless bull****. My IQ has increased zero points from this thread. Much of the garbage spewed is no better than typical knee-jerk vernacular used to tug at emotional heart strings at the expense of logical and coherent thought.
Guess what kids, there are only TWO companies on this freaking planet that can do the oil infrastructure repair and service that Halliburton does. ONLY TWO! And other oil companies like BP outsource such jobs to... HALLIBURTON! The US government picked a company with vast experience, and Cheney, having had a FORMER position at the company, knows this best. Cheney's finances by the way, are kept in a private trust he has no access to or control over, as required by law, to avoid conflict of interest.
When you whiners drop the clever one-liners and come up with some research and have hard truths, check back with me.
By the way, I'm thankful for the past US presence in Thailand. It saved my birth country from communist control and is probably the reason my relatives are ALIVE. They are out in the rural areas that are prone to communist propaganda and/or brutal recruiting techniques. If not for the US, I'd probably be in Thailand living under a communist regime, or dead along with the rest of my family.
Dissent is a necessary part of a free market of ideas, but emotionally driven propaganda is an unfortunate downside (like the essay presented to us here), so we take the bad with the good and enjoy free speech.
Fighting brutal regimes, saving the world over and over and OVER... the world owes the US many thank yous.
Did the US have to fight in WW2? No.Did the US have to send 200 marines to Africa to save 500,000 people from the control of rebels? No.Did the US have to remove Saddam and his sons, who throw people live into woodchippers and put children in hard prisons? No.Did the US have to save South Korea from Chinese and North Korean communists? No.
We're hard-working, generous people.
Its one of thousands of reasons I'm proud to be a US citizen.
-Jesda
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1. I posted this interesting article in hopes that someone could lead me through the fallacies of it.
2. Ok point made.
3. Who is "you" The author of this story seems to have researched it and given further reading. What is wrong with it, too much commentary?
4. You seem to be emotionally driven there. But, Glad Thailand was saved from the ideas of communism. WHat is Thailand like today?
5. Ok no response
6. Why hasn't anyone else stepped up? Why are these regimes brutal. Does Eastern Culture see these things as brutal. What about the strict Islamic law enacted in ?Africa. That seems to be supported by their people. If not, why isn't it gone?
7. Yes the US has done that. Your point? That is some of the most popular history in the US. what about the not so popular? Your note about Saddam, So the whole reason we removed Sadam is because he threw some people who woulndn't cooperate with him in a woodchipper? Did he do that? How do you know?
8. Yes most of middle class america is hard working. Working towards wealth and money and enjoyment. No problem with that. But where is the real story? It seems pretty hard to find doesn't it? That is what I am trying to find out.
Trppen37:
What is your point? Do you agree with Jesda? Why do you agree? He doesn't own me, but he did show a little knowledge and a little emotion. Similar to what Dan showed. Who is right? How do I know? Where would I find my Info? Will the truth come out in time for reelection? Will It come out in 6 years when I can vote?
I still want a researched and organized pro bush page. Not that I doubt it is out there, but that I want to read it.
2. Ok point made.
3. Who is "you" The author of this story seems to have researched it and given further reading. What is wrong with it, too much commentary?
4. You seem to be emotionally driven there. But, Glad Thailand was saved from the ideas of communism. WHat is Thailand like today?
5. Ok no response
6. Why hasn't anyone else stepped up? Why are these regimes brutal. Does Eastern Culture see these things as brutal. What about the strict Islamic law enacted in ?Africa. That seems to be supported by their people. If not, why isn't it gone?
7. Yes the US has done that. Your point? That is some of the most popular history in the US. what about the not so popular? Your note about Saddam, So the whole reason we removed Sadam is because he threw some people who woulndn't cooperate with him in a woodchipper? Did he do that? How do you know?
8. Yes most of middle class america is hard working. Working towards wealth and money and enjoyment. No problem with that. But where is the real story? It seems pretty hard to find doesn't it? That is what I am trying to find out.
Trppen37:
What is your point? Do you agree with Jesda? Why do you agree? He doesn't own me, but he did show a little knowledge and a little emotion. Similar to what Dan showed. Who is right? How do I know? Where would I find my Info? Will the truth come out in time for reelection? Will It come out in 6 years when I can vote?
I still want a researched and organized pro bush page. Not that I doubt it is out there, but that I want to read it.
Cold_Zero wrote:Yes,The world is a horrible place now that Saddam Hussein is gone! We should just give the country back now that we have not found Weapons of Mass Destruction. "Sorry Saddam" we really didn’t mean to take over your country.
Why the hell do people think that GW invaded Iraq for money and oil? It’s costing the American Tax payers money to keep that country going and no oil is flowing out of it? Makes no damn sense.
Actually the world may not be worse off, but Iraq indeed is. Our removal of a dictator caused a vacuum bringing in every kind of terrorlst to fight the US. Saddam may have been a bad person, but his regime was secular, he was very good at protecting his country from terrorlst attacks, now that the regime is gone, and there is no order there, its open season on the US army and Western institutions. The UN building was bombed not once, but twice in one month, unacceptable.
GW DID invade Iraq for economic prosperity...it just depends on how you look at it. The prosperity of the tax payer...no way, the prosperity of his cronies in various companies sent to "rebuild" Iraq, certainly. It goes back to what Yashin stated earlier. Oil, that is a whole seperate mess that can be discussed for days. We don't need to physically seize oil or profits from Iraq for it to benefit us.
My question to everyone talking about how much good we are doing, or how we are doing the right thing in Iraq is; why do we have next to no international support for what we are doing? The US in the General Assembly is basically bending over backwards to get international involvement. Dozens of other countries continue to tell us we were wrong.
The bottom line is we went in under false pretenses. The American public would not have supported a war in which the case was "Hussein commits human rights violations, lets remove him". There are no WMDs, there are no terrorlst camps that were under Saddams control. The Iraqi people not only want us to leave, but are asking why their current situation is worse off than when Saddam was in power.
I could go on and on, but long posts are boring.
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yashin wrote:while were on the line
Did the US have to back and support a overthrow of the popularly elelcted marxist of regime of Salvador Allende and replace him with dictator Augusto Pinochet who went on to kill tens of thousands of innocent people? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to financially/economically/politically back the Shah of Iran as he retook power from a popularly elected democratic government that had taken power from the Shah, the same Shah who was well known for being a tyrant, murderer and oppresor of free speech?? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support Ferdinand Marcos a brutal dictator, and tyrant who killed thousands and stole money from his own people? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support the Duvalier family dictatorship for 30 years in Haiti, and then oppose reformers in Haiti? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support a military overthrow of the democratically elected Venezualan President Hugo Chavez (this happened around 2 years ago)? No. Did it? yes
Did the US have to support Saddam Hussein and give him the money, and military hardware, and support and chemical weapons that he needed to fight a war against Iran. Which allowed Saddam to gain even more power?? No. Did it? YesI could go for a very very long time. But i beleive my point has been made.
You forgot the following countries we helped prop up dictators in:Cuba- Gen. Machado, Juan BautistaNicaragua- SomozaGuatemala- General Efrain Rios-Montt, Vinicio Cerezo Pakistan- General Mohammod Zia Ul-HaqPhilippians- MarcosAlgeriaEl Salvador- Alfredo Cristiani, Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez Argentina- General Jorge Rafael VidelaBolivia- Hugo BanzerBrazilBruneiChad- Hissène HabréColumbiaPanama- NoriegaIvory Coast- Felix Houphouet-BoignyEthiopia- Emperor Haile Seelassie Fiji- General RabukaHonduras- General Alvarez, Roberto Suazo Cordova Liberia- General Samuel DoeNigeria- General Sani AbachaParaguay- Alfredo StroessnerRwanda- US shipped arms to the Interahamwe government who later perpetrated mass geonicides.Togo- Gnassingbe EyademaUganda- General Idi Amin
We really need to ask ourselves how has the past 60 years of American foreign policy helped out the world? Sure we beat the Communists and Facists. I bet we tortured, killed and oppressed just as many people as they did.
Jesda wrote:Wow, thanks for the conspiracy theories and other useless bull****. My IQ has increased zero points from this thread. -Jesda
You want the facts? Try scanning up a few posts. Oh wait, according to you, it's just baseless bull**** right?
Does your stupidity know no limits? I mean to disagree with opinions is one thing, but the only one here suffering from oral diarhea is you. Is it really that hard to get your message across without the name-calling?
I'm jumping for joy that you appreciate American intervention in Thailand. That still doesn't change the fact that millions of innocents were obliterated by U.S. bombs. But hey, we took care of the real enemy right, we really ripped those damn Commies a new one!
By the time the U.S. decided to get involved in the whole Indochina mess Britain had already established a military presence in Thailand. In fact, it had for ages. If you need to thank anyone, thank the redcoats. Thailands' purpose in the Vietnam War was to serve as a strategic platform for U.S. air superiority. Yes Nixon would lead you to believe they rescued Thailand from the evil grasps of Communism, but don't be fooled. If such was the case, then overwhelming conscience would move our government to HELP Thailand's Indochina neighbors instead of exploiting their governments while engineering military coups within the country while raining thousand of air raids on poor, defenseless people.
I couldn't even fathom the indignance of those who were outraged when the leaders of the Khmer Rogue leaders responsible for annihilating a quarter of Cambodia's population. Then why don't we call up Kissinger to stand trial before an internation tribunal and charge him with war crimes because he BACKED them up with hundreds of millions of our tax-payer dollars!
Bro, before you blast me for fabricating conspiracy theories, regurgitating half-truths or "spewing bull****" as you so maturely and kindly put it, hit the history books. Preferably those not written up by blind Uncle Sam testicle tarzans such as yourself. The first time you took a personal shot at me, I let it slide. But you've slid face-first into the ****hole on this one buddy- my turn.
Aspiring to be a lawyer huh? Good, forget the BAR exam, you've scored high enough on the ******* meter already to join the ranks of Cochran, Shapiro and the rest of the leech league. Speaking of leeching, don't mooch off mommy too hard. It's obvious you've never experienced life abroad, in fact I doubt you've ever ventured far from mommy's apron.
Don't you dare criticize me for mindlessly hating America. I've served my years in the Armed Forces to protect your right to waste 5 minutes of my life with your BS.
Obviously, this has gone farther than political discussion. I'm sick of your cheap shots son, so PM me if you got the stones.
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wow. i so had the link to that picture and you beat me to it!
oh well. here's the info to go with the pic:
for those who might like to know
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeldshaking hands with Iraqi dictatorSaddam Hussein in 1983
http://www.socialconscience.com
oh well. here's the info to go with the pic:
for those who might like to know
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeldshaking hands with Iraqi dictatorSaddam Hussein in 1983
http://www.socialconscience.com
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