At least 14 dead in shooting at Batman opening.

[Mr1der]

Full auto is great for suppressing fire and destroying the morale of the enemy. A full auto M4 is inaccurate yes, but once you're at WOT you can easily direct the rounds at your target. Something like a fox hole or bunker of some type that needs to be taken down quickly.

You probably won't need it as a civilian, but I'm all about having options. I like the idea of being able to pour rounds down range at the flip of a switch. I always think about the worst case scenario, like when the zombies come I'd love true assault weapon.

In reality, since I can't have anything full auto, a 30-30 lever action is a great weapon for the $$. Great for hunting and defense. This would perfect imho, only because I love the ghost ring sights.

I want a leveraction .44 Mag. Carry cowboy style.

Full auto does have it's perks. But as a long time wingshooter, I'd rather put a lead on a target and plug it with one shot.

Hitler's buzzsaw was a big morale killer but accurate shots fired on someone in a full sprint is just as bad, maybe worse. You know you have less of a chance to get lucky.

But yeah, I do agree, I'd like to have the option. Seldom use it, but nice to have it there. Full auto will heat up a gun way too quick and dump a mag even quicker.

I need belt fed and more than one barrel!

[Mr1der]

But for the most part. Gun Control is a huge display of ignorance. (for the most part people! Most of the laws we currently have in effect do a very good job of keeping them in the right hands as long as they're enforced.)

But I would like a little more testing before a first time buyer can buy one.

Think of it as driver's ed (which is another huge problem here, our driving tests are laughable)

[snwbrdr435]

Maybe in your state, come on up here. Just don't bring anything with you. Oh and that key chain you made out of empty brass, yea that makes you a criminal.

[RobPaulson]

bloombergs line was great
"When regular people hear gunfire, they run away. When police hear it, they run towards it"

what kind of upstanding citizen with general proficiency in firearms would run away if innocent people are being slaughtered? legal gun owning keeps people safe. period.

[Mr1der]

Maybe in your state, come on up here. Just don't bring anything with you. Oh and that key chain you made out of empty brass, yea that makes you a criminal.

I was referring to the laws in the Free states

MA and CA are f***.

WI and IL are pretty goddamn stupid too....

[Mr1der]

bloombergs line was great
"When regular people hear gunfire, they run away. When police hear it, they run towards it"

what kind of upstanding citizen with general proficiency in firearms would run away if innocent people are being slaughtered? legal gun owning keeps people safe. period.

who's to say a cop wouldn't run either. Bloomberg's an idiot that's gonna break everything Guiliani fixed.

[themadscientist]

I have always run towards danger when people are in trouble. I'm that cliche' white dude from the scary movies. "hey what's going on over there?"

[Mr1der]

haha....I sometimes have the same tendency.

If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough right?

[IBCoupe]

That's a common misconception about AR15s. They are not M16s. They do not fire fully automatic. All automatic firearms in private hands are grandfathered from before the AWB and sell for in the neighborhood of $20-30K in the case of battle rifles. The term "assault weapon" is contested. There are competing definitions, but I hold to the old definition that required the weapon be capable of selective fire, single shot and fully automatic.

Is it still the case that all you need to turn an AR-15 into an M-16 is this incredible tool?

You learn the weirdest things in law school. I remember the case was about failing to register his weapon as an assault rifle once he'd filed down whatever small piece of metal he needed to file down, but I can't remember (a) which case it was, or (b) how the case turned out.

[snwbrdr435]

Probably not in his favor since that would be a felony.... Which also would make him a Prohibited person for life.

[themadscientist]

You can't register anything as an "assault weapon." It's a nebulous term, not a concrete designation. There are short barreled rifles and shotguns you could construct and would need to be registered, but no new full autos are doable unless you are law enforcement. If you have a select fire weapon grandfathered before the AWB then it will be registered. If you have a semi-auto AR and jack with the sear to make it go full auto you are a felon. You ain't registering anything, but your fingerprints when they take you to jail.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Certain things (class 3 weapons and accessories) have to be registered under a trust in order to be legal, but first you have to apply for (and get approved for) that federal trust. Usually takes 6-8 months in states that allow it. Now, I'm not sure if you can register anything fully auto or not, but if you can, it would definitely have to be registered under a trust as such.

[themadscientist]

Nothing new. All full autos are pre-AWB. The other stuff can be constructed and registered.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nationa ... -guns.html

May an unlicensed person make a machine gun?

Generally, no. However, if documentation can be provided, along with the Application to Make a Machinegun, which establishes that the weapon is being made for distribution to a Federal or State agency, an individual may be permitted to make the machine gun.

There is a reason a real privately-owned automatic weapons are so expensive. There is no new supply and demand stays the same or perhaps increases.
http://sgcusa.com/class-iii/transferabl ... -auto.html

[snwbrdr435]

Certain things (class 3 weapons and accessories) have to be registered under a trust in order to be legal, but first you have to apply for (and get approved for) that federal trust. Usually takes 6-8 months in states that allow it. Now, I'm not sure if you can register anything fully auto or not, but if you can, it would definitely have to be registered under a trust as such.

You don't have to use a trust, but sometimes it makes sense too.

Also mike, its not pre awb, Its Pre 1986.

[themadscientist]

Using a trust lets you get around a lot of the arbitrary BS.

[snwbrdr435]

That's why I said you don't have too

[themadscientist]

I got mine. Don't bust down my Mom's door. She's got the combo to the safe and the legal right to point any of my guns at you and she likes the Saiga.

[Mr1der]

That's a common misconception about AR15s. They are not M16s. They do not fire fully automatic. All automatic firearms in private hands are grandfathered from before the AWB and sell for in the neighborhood of $20-30K in the case of battle rifles. The term "assault weapon" is contested. There are competing definitions, but I hold to the old definition that required the weapon be capable of selective fire, single shot and fully automatic.

Is it still the case that all you need to turn an AR-15 into an M-16 is this incredible tool?

You learn the weirdest things in law school. I remember the case was about failing to register his weapon as an assault rifle once he'd filed down whatever small piece of metal he needed to file down, but I can't remember (a) which case it was, or (b) how the case turned out.

if never has been the case with the AR.

anyone that says that doesn't know the weapon.

now a 1911 on the other hand...yes. Dillinger had one in his arsenal (along with a sweet double magazine he made himself! you can see them at the museum.

[carloslebaron]

Reading this thread I have learned a lot about weapons, but this case is not about the right or wrong of acquiring weapons...

The news about the Joker has had a 180 degrees turn...the dude IS crazy. He was under psychiatric care...newspapers stop writing articles about him and anything related to the shgootings, the TV reports went suddenly on silence after the release of his former visits to the doc were shown...no more talks neither by radio programs about these killings...now what?...lol

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... atric-care

[themadscientist]

The American collective attention span is spent. We now move on to the next shiny thing.

[numbnuts240]

The American collective attention span is spent. We now move on to the next shiny thing.

this has been all over tv these days

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqcUrmVKjjM[/youtube]

[themadscientist]

And the panic and knee-jerk reations coupled with complete violation of the law when it suits continue.

Lawyer With Gun In New Haven Theater Says He Felt Need For Protection

http://www.courant.com/community/new-ha ... 3955.story

Here you have a registered permit-holder what I assume to be open-carrying since people saw the gun and he gets jacked by the police. This nugget is icing on the cake.

"Just because something is legal, it doesn't make it right,"

Well authority figure I'll remember that come tax time.

Actually, mayor, right and wrong are relative terms that are defined through codified laws. The man was within the law yet he got assaulted. That is neither legal nor right. Take a class on law, wait, scratch that, that's above your mental accuity. Bang your head on the wall until the silly thoughts stop.

Don't worry. the guy your police assaulted is a lawyer. I'm sure when this goes to court you will get a great lesson in the stupidity of your statement, mayor.

[numbnuts240]

destafano is a moron, yet the people of new haven keep re-electing him. he's the same tool that decided it was cool to let illegal immigrants stay in the city to work.

yes, the state of ct allows open carry, but it's VERY rare that you see someone exercising that right. so rare, that if you do choose to open carry, you better be expected to receive harassment from the authorities.

i don't blame that lawyer for carrying in new haven in the least bit. that city has turned into a shady place since i moved out many years ago. i stopped going to bars/clubs down that way before i stopped going to bars period. even when i visit with family, i make sure i'm well on my way back home before it gets too dark out.

[Mr1der]

Lawyer's an idiot for letting anyone know he was carrying as well.

[themadscientist]

One of the reasons I don't open carry even though I can. It's not necessary to advertise.

[Mr1der]

nope. Leads to more issues. Most of the people that do it, just do it to cause a scene. I find that total and utter slapdick behavior that gives other permit holders a bad perception.