At least 14 dead in shooting at Batman opening.

[frapjap]

I forgot to mention, shouldn't anyone with a SN of "bubba" be well versed in guns?

Especially "bubba" with a flat bed tow truck. Its right up there with "hoss."

[themadscientist]

A question for our gun enthusiasts

What's the appeal of fully automatic weapons like assault rifles? It seems to me there is no sport involved hitting a target by pointing one in the general direction of the target and peppering it with dozens of rounds and obliterating anything in its general area, as opposed to aiming and hitting a target with one single shot.

That's a common misconception about AR15s. They are not M16s. They do not fire fully automatic. All automatic firearms in private hands are grandfathered from before the AWB and sell for in the neighborhood of $20-30K in the case of battle rifles. The term "assault weapon" is contested. There are competing definitions, but I hold to the old definition that required the weapon be capable of selective fire, single shot and fully automatic. New select fire weapons can only be purchased by government and law enforcement.

The standard AR you see at gun ranges and in this case are simply magazine-fed semi-automatics, pull the trigger one bang. Contrary to what scaremongers would like people to beleive, it's not that easy to get your hands on a "machine gun" and if you can find one and you can afford one, you will need to fill out a lot of paperwork and can expect the government to be very much in your business.

Now as far as the appeal of something like that, it's just fun to do. Most people who go to automatic gun shoots are doing just that, tearing up whatever they are shooting at. Practically, fully automatic fire is a waste in an individual weapon IMO. I agree with the switch to 3 round burst on M16s leaving suppressive fire up to the squad automatic wean, a light belt-fed machine gun.

[Mr1der]

Real full auto while fun to shoot, is a total waste of ammo and inaccurate.

as for semi autos, they're faster to shoot, but doesn't mean you'll be hitting accurate anyway.

With practice, I can probably lay down accurate shots with an old leveraction cowboy gun than most dipshits shooting a modern semi auto rifle.

[snwbrdr435]

I was shooting some of my old battle rifles at the range and was hitting the steel plates at 300 yds with iron sites. The kids next to me with his tacticool ar was dumbfounded he couldnt hit anything with his super duper holographic 3x red dot.

[Rager]

lol so true!

[alms24sebring]

Cant you buy full auto upgrades for an AK?

[themadscientist]

I was shooting some of my old battle rifles at the range and was hitting the steel plates at 300 yds with iron sites. The kids next to me with his tacticool ar was dumbfounded he couldnt hit anything with his super duper holographic 3x red dot.

+1

They didn't have optics when Mother Green put an A2 in my hand. I have no problems reaching out and touching a target through iron sights and the tard next to me with the EoTech throwing bricks looks at me like I'm a jedi master. Sight alignment, sight picture focus on the front sight post and good trigger control. Oh, your holo's batteries just died.

[themadscientist]

Cant you buy full auto upgrades for an AK?

Out of the trunk of a car in a back alley maybe. Good luck with that felony.

[themadscientist]

Ah, Mayor Bloomberg. We can always count on you.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKOcHDr3lcU[/youtube]

A little counterpoint.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/24/mayor ... ld-go-on-s

[WDRacing]

I think we should have a Nico meet some place with a nice shooting range and a golf course that has a beer girl. I'm pretty sure there would be a wide array of weapons to play with

Can you shoot over on Oki Mike?

[frapjap]

I think we should have a Nico meet some place with a nice shooting range and a golf course that has a beer girl. I'm pretty sure there would be a wide array of weapons to play with

Florida. Anyone can shoot anything in the store, any time. And there is ALWAYS a golf course around the corner from anywhere in that state.

[biggie]

Bloomberg is the biggest idiot I've seen in this thing yet. Please mayor tell us how your gun control has worked on NYC crime rates...

Cops should go on strike? Hope they do around Bloomberg so he'll be the first one robbed at gun point. Maybe then he could understand that criminals don't obey the law.

[WDRacing]

I think we should have a Nico meet some place with a nice shooting range and a golf course that has a beer girl. I'm pretty sure there would be a wide array of weapons to play with

Florida. Anyone can shoot anything in the store, any time. And there is ALWAYS a golf course around the corner from anywhere in that state.

I love the Gulf Coast, did my first 4 years at Hurlburt Fld. Man...I miss that place. It would be on my list of places to retire if it weren't for the hurricanes.

Real full auto while fun to shoot, is a total waste of ammo and inaccurate.

as for semi autos, they're faster to shoot, but doesn't mean you'll be hitting accurate anyway.

With practice, I can probably lay down accurate shots with an old leveraction cowboy gun than most dipshits shooting a modern semi auto rifle.

Full auto is great for suppressing fire and destroying the morale of the enemy. A full auto M4 is inaccurate yes, but once you're at WOT you can easily direct the rounds at your target. Something like a fox hole or bunker of some type that needs to be taken down quickly.

You probably won't need it as a civilian, but I'm all about having options. I like the idea of being able to pour rounds down range at the flip of a switch. I always think about the worst case scenario, like when the zombies come I'd love true assault weapon.

In reality, since I can't have anything full auto, a 30-30 lever action is a great weapon for the $$. Great for hunting and defense. This would perfect imho, only because I love the ghost ring sights.

[float_6969]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'd like to throw this out there.

A crazy, law breaking citizen, won't be deterred from going on a killing spree whether guns are readily available or not. Prohibition doesn't work, be it alcohol, drugs, or guns. Most people use them responsibly. Legislating them out of existence only stops law abiding citizens from having them and creates a high demand (which equates to high profit) for law breaking organizations.

These things don't go away with laws, they just become points of high profit for law breakers.

[WDRacing]

A crazy, law breaking citizen, won't be deterred from going on a killing spree whether guns are readily available or not. Prohibition doesn't work, be it alcohol, drugs, or guns. Most people use them responsibly. Legislating them out of existence only stops law abiding citizens from having them and creates a high demand (which equates to high profit) for law breaking organizations.

These things don't go away with laws, they just become points of high profit for law breakers.

Well said.

[Bubba1]

I forgot to mention, shouldn't anyone with a SN of "bubba" be well versed in guns?

Does it help to know that this Bubba is a long time gun owner, former NRA member, who used to compete in tournaments?

[WDRacing]

I learned to shoot a .22 rifle at Cub Scout summer camp. To think thousands of kids never experience that is a sad thing.

[biggie]

Does it help to know that this Bubba is a long time gun owner, former NRA member, who used to compete in tournaments?

That makes more sense, just a little suprised you didn't know the other stuff you were asking about.

I'm far from a gun nut, but made it a point to read/learn a lot recently.



I shot a 12ga shotgun at 4-5 years old, not the best decision and scarred me away from guns until I was 10 or so with a Ruger .22 Mark II that I still have. Shotguns took me a while to warm up to again. After a few months of not firing one I still forget how much they can hurt a shoulder (deer slug especially).

[biggie]

I learned to shoot a .22 rifle at Cub Scout summer camp. To think thousands of kids never experience that is a sad thing.

To me this may be one of the contributing factors in the horrific event. This kid grew up in CA, pretty much no guns. Moves to CO where there is a big gun culture. The shock of that difference probably didn't help his stability.

[frapjap]

I learned to shoot a .22 rifle at Cub Scout summer camp. To think thousands of kids never experience that is a sad thing.

Yeah! How will young children of banned gun America defend themselves against third world children armies?

Thats actually pretty sad. For an interesting read, check out A Long Way Gone: Memoirs of a Boy Soldier
Its a first hand account of a child soldier from Sierra Leone. Its some heavy stuff.

[biggie]

Being a kid soldier and learn to handle/respect a firearm. A large gap between the two.

[Dattebayo]

Obama ordered federal building flags at half-mast all this week because of this, just FYI. You tend to notice these things in DC, BTW.

[WDRacing]

I learned to shoot a .22 rifle at Cub Scout summer camp. To think thousands of kids never experience that is a sad thing.

Yeah! How will young children of banned gun America defend themselves against third world children armies?

Thats actually pretty sad. For an interesting read, check out A Long Way Gone: Memoirs of a Boy Soldier
Its a first hand account of a child soldier from Sierra Leone. Its some heavy stuff.

I'd like to think our kids would kick their kids asses Life in third world countries sucks, I've been to several. It's good to be American.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

I learned to shoot a .22 rifle at Cub Scout summer camp. To think thousands of kids never experience that is a sad thing.

Yeah! How will young children of banned gun America defend themselves against third world children armies?

Thats actually pretty sad. For an interesting read, check out A Long Way Gone: Memoirs of a Boy Soldier
Its a first hand account of a child soldier from Sierra Leone. Its some heavy stuff.

Wouldn't want to lead that army...apparently wherever the hell that is doesn't practice keeping your finger off the damn trigger.

[themadscientist]

Can you shoot over on Oki Mike?

Not anymore. This is a very relevant story. We had a pistol range on base. Obviously, no guns in Japan so they had rental guns. We would go every payday an have a great afternoon, me with the commander length Colt .45, my buddy like the Beretta 9mm.

One day a guy decides he wants to die and takes a rental gun and shoots himself in the chest. No more shooting range. Hundreds of responsible customers enjoying a great sport are now punished for the actions of one selfish d!ck. Why couldn't you have just jumped off a cliff or hung yourself you idiot?

[alms24sebring]

Cant you buy full auto upgrades for an AK?

Out of the trunk of a car in a back alley maybe. Good luck with that felony.

How many out of each 100 sold do you think people got caught with it within a year? How many of those considered using them as a real weapon against people?... considerably less of course but it only takes 1.

[themadscientist]

AKs or illegally modified AKs?

Let's try that with another inamimate object that requires human action to work and has the potential to do harm.

How many out of each 100 CARS sold do you think people got caught SPEEDING in within a year? How many of those considered RACING THEM ON THE STREET AND ENDANGERING OTHERS?... considerably less of course but it only takes 1.

Indeed, it only takes one, but you have to debate the logic of oppressing the freedom and legitimate use of the thing by the significantly larger group to attempt to prevent the misconduct of the one.

It's actually a contradictory stance when heavy gun control is usually touted to be worthwhile because it ostensively protects the larger group from the smaller group(gun owners and enthusiasts), but only by oppressing that arguably smaller group to control a yet even smaller group(whack jobs who will often just find another weapon anyway). That's some voodoo trigenometry right there.

[WDRacing]

Can you shoot over on Oki Mike?

Not anymore. This is a very relevant story. We had a pistol range on base. Obviously, no guns in Japan so they had rental guns. We would go every payday an have a great afternoon, me with the commander length Colt .45, my buddy like the Beretta 9mm.

One day a guy decides he wants to die and takes a rental gun and shoots himself in the chest. No more shooting range. Hundreds of responsible customers enjoying a great sport are now punished for the actions of one selfish d***. Why couldn't you have just jumped off a cliff or hung yourself you idiot?

That is truly s***.

[snwbrdr435]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-ro ... 74546.html

[snwbrdr435]

Oh an the Colorado assbag didn't have body armor just a tac vest...... Good job on getting the facts correct media...

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/five-fall ... d-violence