At least 14 dead in shooting at Batman opening.

[bigbadberry3]

I can guarantee you the scumbag that shot these people doesn't have a permit. You seem to lump both he and licensed carriers in the same group based upon the fact that they both desire to and have possession of a gun. I am extrapolating this from your previous comments, not that you specifically said this, rather it can be reasonably led to based upon your stated opinions.

That is not a good extrapolation. If you are CC, I have nothing against you personally. Would I feel uncomfortable if I noticed something tucked (I don't know what your intentions are), yes but I am not saying everyone who owns a gun is a bad person. I was wondering why if it was a CC state was there anyone with a weapon and why he may not have been deterred if this was a CC state.

[themadscientist]

And that person would, in many states, be charged; it's "concealed" carry. While I do not share your opinion on the presence of a gun, I do understand your discomfort and while I am not required to, Virginia is an open carry state, I don't mind responding to it; I personally chose to hide my weapon. I am not a real danger to you, but I don't want to freak you out and make you worry so I don't open carry. I get into arguments as spirited as ours with open carry advocates over it often. There is the argument that the visual presence is a deterrent and it may be, but when I balance the "if" of deterrence over the certainty of everyone in the vicinity on edge I judge it to be unacceptable.

There should not have been anyone in that theatre with a gun as it has been identified as a "no gun zone" in some circles. I haven't checked to confirm that and don't know if it's even legal to erect such a restriction.

[bigbadberry3]

And that person would, in many states, be charged; it's "concealed" carry. While I do not share your opinion on the presence of a gun, I do understand your discomfort and while I am not required to, Virginia is an open carry state, I don't mind responding to it; I personally chose to hide my weapon. I am not a real danger to you, but I don't want to freak you out and make you worry so I don't open carry. I get into arguments as spirited as ours with open carry advocates over it often. There is the argument that the visual presence is a deterrent and it may be, but when I balance the "if" of deterrence over the certainty of everyone in the vicinity on edge I judge it to be unacceptable.

There should not have been anyone in that theatre with a gun as it has been identified as a "no gun zone" in some circles. I haven't checked to confirm that and don't know if it's even legal to erect such a restriction.

Interesting. i can see why open carry would be a deterrent but I also could see the open carry people as the possible first target for a a deranged person.

From what I see online (which makes me almighty) if someone asks you to leave because you are in a gun free theater you should leave, if you don't then you can be prosecuted.

[Oatmealman]

The judge normally stays in the truck.I'll carry it into areas I don't know or trust.its pretty intimidating to look at.but most of the time I carry my rossi .357 snub nose iwb just because its light and the .357 with hollow points will put a nice stop to anybody that means me or my loved ones/property harm.


As far as colorado being a cc state its fairly easy to get here.take a class.have a piece of paper saying you took the class.talk to the police and turn in documentaion and wait a little bit.it was the first thing I did when I turned 21.

[themadscientist]

Interesting. i can see why open carry would be a deterrent but I also could see the open carry people as the possible first target for a a deranged person.

That is one argument against it and I can see the logic, but I don't award nut jobs and punk criminals that level of awareness. I bet you would see it immediately because you are in a normal state of mind. I would see it because I scan constantly, but most bad people are on an adrenaline rush, heart pounding, mind occupied with "the plan" and doubting themselves and are likely not going to notice subtle things or slow movement. It's just not value added to me so I don't do it. Around the house, sure, but in public I don't think it's worth it to ruffle everyone's feathers if I don't have to.

[Oatmealman]

It's just not value added to me so I don't do it. Around the house, sure, but in public I don't think it's worth it to ruffle everyone's feathers if I don't have to.

open carrying which is legal in Colorado at the age of 18 can get you in more s*** than its worth.I had open carried a few times before i was 21 and it just isn't worth it to draw the unwanted attention from people

[themadscientist]

Indeed, people make snap judgements about you based solely on the presence of a gun. When I get into discussions over here, where, obviously, I can't carry, it's fun. I let the person drone on and on about those "people." They usually describe pretty much the same knuckle dragging white supremacist redneck trailer trash with a machine gun in one hand and a bible in the other.

These are often people who have known me for some time who say this crap. When I add matter of factly that I own and carry guns stateside they become confused and start to backpedal. "I didn't mean YOU, blah blah blah." Yes, yes, you did mean me. You took one criteria, the ownership and carrying of a gun or advocacy for the same and filed all people who met that criteria together. That you now discover that this person you have known for some time, a caring, respectful, intelligent and ruggedly handsome man, flags your criteria, but does not match your caricature should not only embarrass you, but also illustrate how ill-conceived is your opinion.

Of course, this is not all anti-gun people and I do my best not to be guilty of the same behavior. Guns are one of those decisive issues in our country and the discussion of them requires consideration of all parties to keep it from degenerating into a shouting match with nobody learning anything.

[bigbadberry3]

Just learned you can open carry in a bank.

I would royally freak out but I guess that isn't the norm in my area.

[themadscientist]

No problem if we outlaw pantyhose.

[bigbadberry3]

No problem if we outlaw pantyhose.

I like natural women ....

[themadscientist]

This guy likes to look sexy when he robs banks.

[AppleBonker]

Just learned you can open carry in a bank.

I would royally freak out but I guess that isn't the norm in my area.

Again, that also depends on the state. Indiana has very limited no-carry zones. I actually think it's basically just schools and airports. The more I think about it, I'm pretty sure I can carry into government buildings (with a few exceptions like the courthouse). And I can definitely carry into bars. And into parks.

[themadscientist]

http://www.usacarry.com/indiana_conceal ... ation.html

What places are off-limits when carrying a concealed weapon in Indiana?
1. In or On School Property.
2. On a school bus
3. In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function
4. Private School(IC 20*9.1*1*3) & (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
5. Head Start (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
6. Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7)
7. IC 35*47*9*1Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.
8. On an aircraft
9. Controlled access areas of an airport
10. During annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in vehicle)
11. Shipping port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by Indiana Port Commission)
12. A riverboat Casino

That is going to cut into my cheating at cards.

[AppleBonker]

Ah, forgot about the Casinos. But you see my point. It's pretty much legal to carry everywhere in Indiana. If I'm not mistaken, they also accept every other state's carry license/permit. So if you're licensed to carry in your state, you are in Indiana as well.

[themadscientist]

This Virginia permit holder appreciates that. I'm not sure why my state hasn't extended you similar courtesy.

[OriginalWheelman]

Yep, everyone I know that doesn't have one, is trying to get an AR asap. I'm too poor or I would too.

Wished some laws would have already been changed, as far as no concealed weapon allowed in theatres, things could have been different I believe.

Like if someone with a CC permit with an AR started firing back and shot and missed the actual shooter and instead hit other innocent people.....

Don't play what if.

Um.. you can't get a CC permit for an AR...

Furthermore, you seem to be under the impression people buy guns, and never practice with them. I know lots of gun owners, and every one of them goes to the range, or target shoots at home. The last thing you want to do when firing a gun is miss.

[themadscientist]

That is another part of gun ownership. Depending on your taste in recreation, shooting is fun! I also meet a lot of nice people at the range. It's like any spot when people enthusiastic about an activity, there is camaraderie. I have been offered the chance to shoot other people's guns and provided the opportunity myself to others. Lots of fun discussions and sharing experiences like anything, cars, bikes, etc. It's not all about personal protection. Even if you don't carry or hunt shooting is a fun sport.

[OriginalWheelman]

Yup. I love to target shoot my friends 22 Mossberg at the range. I don't carry, but that is my choice. If I ever needed to I can shoot a rifle with accuracy, but I do not feel the need to own a gun.

[themadscientist]

And yet again, satirical reporter John Stewart produces a better, balanced news segment than the idiots who claim to be professionals. He hits both sides pretty equally. How about that s*** ABC?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart- ... a-shooter/

[biggie]

Anyone checked on the CC law in CO? I assume that they, like NC, have the ban on CCing in any place that charges admission, hence the theatre is a no go for CC.

Betting many theatres now will have people CCing illegally.

As far as that law, if you are CCing in a place where it is illegal you can be charged. If you are CCing where it is legal but the property has posted signs banning guns, they have to ask you to leave, and then you can be charged with tresspassing if you do not.

[themadscientist]

http://www.usacarry.com/colorado_concea ... ation.html

Automobile carry:
You may carry concealed in an automobile for protection while traveling or for any other lawful purpose while lawfully engaged in hunting.

Places off-limits when carrying:
1. Any place prohibited by federal law (e.g. federal offices or courthouse)
2. Any property of public school grades kindergarten through 12, unless the firearm remains inside a container in a locked vehicle
3. Any public building that prohibits ALL weapons which posts guards and permanent metal detectors at all entrances and requires all entrants to surrender handguns to security personnel before entry

Alcohol and Drugs:
It is unlawful to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances.

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
Colorado is a Castle Doctrine state and does have a stand-your-ground law.

Open Carry:
Unrestricted under state law; localities may regulate this aspect independently.

[WDRacing]

Just gonna drop some infallible wisdom. Chance favors the prepared.

[hannibal]

I'm sorry but concealed carry and AR-15 do not belong in the same thought.

Carry on...

[biggie]

http://www.usacarry.com/colorado_concea ... ation.html

Automobile carry:
You may carry concealed in an automobile for protection while traveling or for any other lawful purpose while lawfully engaged in hunting.

Places off-limits when carrying:
1. Any place prohibited by federal law (e.g. federal offices or courthouse)
2. Any property of public school grades kindergarten through 12, unless the firearm remains inside a container in a locked vehicle
3. Any public building that prohibits ALL weapons which posts guards and permanent metal detectors at all entrances and requires all entrants to surrender handguns to security personnel before entry

Alcohol and Drugs:
It is unlawful to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances.

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
Colorado is a Castle Doctrine state and does have a stand-your-ground law.

Open Carry:
Unrestricted under state law; localities may regulate this aspect independently.

Seems CO leaves it up to the business to post signs. Don't even see the Resturant that serves Alcohol on the banned list (which NC has and is not popular among CCP owners).

Do assume then that most theatres in CO are posted Gun-Free zones though.

[Bubba1]

A question for our gun enthusiasts

What's the appeal of fully automatic weapons like assault rifles? It seems to me there is no sport involved hitting a target by pointing one in the general direction of the target and peppering it with dozens of rounds and obliterating anything in its general area, as opposed to aiming and hitting a target with one single shot.

[OriginalWheelman]

I'm pretty sure Full Auto is illegal. I know hundreds of gun owners, and I know 1 person with an AR. And they have a Kalashnikov. He has it more as a conversation piece and to obliterate the occasional piece of large fruit. But even he will tell you, unless he was going to fight a large group of people, he would rather use his Deagle, or 30-06.

[snwbrdr435]

Full auto is illegal unless you pay your tax stamp which is $200. Do you guy's even know how much anything full auto costs? Not to mention ammo prices to feed it.

[biggie]

Yep, full auto is only allowed with Class 3 license, not too easy/cheap to get.

As far as the appeal. Gun collecting/shooting is much like cars. Especially when you deal with cleaning/maintanence/moddifing. And 'assault rifles' (most anyway) are just good performing guns that people like to shoot.

A lot of non-gun people don't realize how much most regular gun owners like the challenge of target practice and some love the competitions that are held for anyone around the country. Usually there is a comp within driving distance every weekend if you like doing it (for most states at least).

[biggie]

I forgot to mention, shouldn't anyone with a SN of "bubba" be well versed in guns?

[WDRacing]

I forgot to mention, shouldn't anyone with a SN of "bubba" be well versed in guns?

I feel it's sort of your responsibility with a name like that