anybody heard of remote mount turbo system?

[240cp]

thinking of changing from supercharged to the remote mount turbo system just to be different and try something new.

check out squires turbo systems website, google it im not sure of the web address they have some pretty interesting things to say about the setup. i know that its there product but it doesnt seem to be a bad idea.

also ive looked under my car and there seems to be enough room to try this. let me know what yall think of this setup- advantages or disadvantages.

[lrb_2000]

sounds like a lot of turbo lag, and a lot of piping.. and how would you plan to do the oil lines?

[elgarvo616]

i know alot of domestic guys run a remote turbo set up. seem to be able to make alot of power on it.

EDIT: it would be expensive as hell, assuming you dont own a machine shop.

[Florida240sx]

Doing it to a g35... but that's a long project... it's getting the vh45de

[JeromeS13]

I know the systems work fairly well on larger displacement engines. I'm kind of curious how they'd work on smaller ones...

-Jerome

[Florida240sx]

Would work in a pair not too good as single unless your a highway runner IMO.. Haven't really seen any dyno's to compare one to 2 and turbo size different etc....Plan to run 2 big ones on my v8... depends on your power goal...

[boznuttz]

Heat is energy, and as you get further from the engine, you will loose a lot of that energy. Sure it could be fun, but no where near efficient on a KA than right at the manifold.

[TheOne]

http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

pretty nice system, tryin to persuade my brother into gettin 1 of those for his c5 vette.

i've seen'em, they sound pretty good, mostly seen'em on GTO's, camaros and a some corvettes.

[16-bit]

looks like it kinda puts your intake in a crappy place.. where water and dirt are more prevalent.

All i can see is that is saves you from buying a manifold....

[240cp]

well if you read the FAQ it goes in explanation about the worry of lag. they explain it as heat does not create velocity volume does and at a furher distance the exhaust gasses are denser and with a smaller ar those denser gasses create a faster spool time.

they say that there turbos have full spool at under 3000 rpm. i wathced the build of the c6 corvette on power block tv a while back and that thing was wicked, barely no lag at all! also it would save you from buying a manifold and a intercooler. which i already have so wont save on that .

was just wondering what everyone thought i think im gone try it. there wouldnt be alot of fab work involved just piping. also fab work doesnt scare me at all abviously as i have already supercharged and intercooled my 240!

[S13FX]

Hey a remote mount system sounds cool. Think how much cooler your under hood temps would be, and how much cooler the turbo would run. You would just have to make sure that if your car is low the turbo doesn't bottom OUT hehe

As for the oiling problems, I love their idea of the stand alone oil return pump they have with a buzzer warning if it quits working. This thing will also let you tap into the valve cover to return the oil instead of the oil pan. Just in case anyone is curious heh.

It also sounds like a fairly easy DIY project since you don't really have to redesign the manifold at all. All your doing is welding flanges onto piping. I'm actually kind of surprised this topic wasn't brought up sooner. And I totally forgot about remote mount systems hehe.

[240cp]

they use a electric oil scavage pump to feed it back to the engine from the turbo and feed it back into the valve cover through the filler cap and i think the feed is from the oil pressure sending unit with a adapter on it . the article is is pretty good.

if you go to ststurbo.com then the FAQ section you can read all the commonly asked questions with pretty indept answers, they seem to know there stuff

[S13FX]

looks like it kinda puts your intake in a crappy place.. where water and dirt are more prevalent.

All i can see is that is saves you from buying a manifold....

As for your water in intake problem here you go.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.....html

and as for dirt thats what the filter is for to filter it.

[Florida240sx]

So a 16' oil feed line need a 16' return line after a little pan in the back with a pump?

[S13FX]

Yes thats what it looks like. Which in fact has up's and downs. Of course you will have to put a lot more oil into the car, at the same time the distance the oil travels gives it time to cool down.

If it was me I would have an oil pressure gauge put in somewhere half way through the feed line to monitor it. Cause the return pump already provides a fail safe build into it.

[TheOne]

you could prolly get a hotshot header, that might help a tad, maybe 2.5"-3" exhaust, it'd be like N/A, cept there's a turbo somewhere in the back.

[Sil40_Mayhem]

Perhaps I'm putting my lack of turbo knowledge on broad display here, but doesn't this look like it would be sucking air from the intake rather than forcing it?:



Amirite, did someone jack this up?

[S13FX]

Here you go I made some labels maybe this will help you understand .

[240cp]

yeah ive watched a bunch of thread here on nico and never saw anything like this. at one time i was considering the ls1 swap in my car and ran into this.

so i contacted a few people and asked a few ?'s about this setup on a 4 banger and they said as long as you size your turbos properly there shouldnt be a problem with lag, no more than if it was mounted in the engine bay.

and like you said engine bay temps will go down drastically and there really wont be a need for intercooling. ive found a oil pump off the internet so i think i am going to peice this together myself. also i plan on trying the twin turbo setup with two small turbos something like t25's.

[S13FX]

Yeah only thing, I would really have to look into is the oil pump setup for the return line. But something like this looks very promising and very easily set up too.

Especially if you have welding skills this probably could be a pretty cheap DIY turbo setup. With an internally gated turbo something like this should be fairly easy to do.

Only thing you would have to do is find room under the car to place it which shouldn't really be a problem.

[Eikon]

Be careful!

Those morons at STS think they have the copywrite and patent on the whole idea of remote mount turbos.

They have threatened litigation against a NICO member for even considering the idea. RETARDED!!!

[S13FX]

Be careful!

Those morons at STS think they have the copywrite and patent on the whole idea of remote mount turbos.

They have threatened litigation against a NICO member for even considering the idea. RETARDED!!!

Wow Really. Thanks for letting us know man. My question is how can you copy write or patten a turbo setup? I mean wouldn't the same problems be with people that make manifolds and stuff?

That seems kind of weird hehe.

Hit me up on aim Bro Id like to ask a few more questions about this.

AIM: pijaczek18

[240cp]

preciate the heads up brother guess ill have to reconsider things

[C-Kwik]

well if you read the FAQ it goes in explanation about the worry of lag. they explain it as heat does not create velocity volume does and at a furher distance the exhaust gasses are denser and with a smaller ar those denser gasses create a faster spool time.

they say that there turbos have full spool at under 3000 rpm. i wathced the build of the c6 corvette on power block tv a while back and that thing was wicked, barely no lag at all! also it would save you from buying a manifold and a intercooler. which i already have so wont save on that .

was just wondering what everyone thought i think im gone try it. there wouldnt be alot of fab work involved just piping. also fab work doesnt scare me at all abviously as i have already supercharged and intercooled my 240!

The FAQ is misleading. Yes, it will work. I can attach a shop vac or leafblower to a turbine and it will spin it. But turbines have higher efficiency areas of operation like compressors do. Using a smaller turbine will generally mean it's efficient operation areas occur at lower airflows and perhaps higher shaft speeds. Not ideal when you still have to feed the motor with the same compressors as you would want to with a manifold mounted turbo. Larger sized compressors tend to have higher efficiencies at higher airflows and pressures. They also run at lower speeds. Hybrid turbos already compromise this. Running an even larger mismatch between the turbine and the compressor makes the situation worse. These remote mount systems will make decent power and can be tuned for decent response/boost threshold, but they can never have the potential to make as much power as traditional turbo layouts would. Perhaps if a turbo manufacturer started designing and building turbos that were engineered to match efficiencies between the turbine and compressor for this type of use, there may be more potential.

[Eikon]

Here is the link. Read it.. it's pretty funny stuff!

zerothread?id=236967

[S13FX]

Right I totally agree with you.

But for someone looking for extra oompf this could be a fairly simple efficient way to get it.

Now another worry that I would really have with this setup is the oil return pump failing, I mean it's not a problem connecting some kind of a monitoring device. I guess I still have a lil more research on the oil return part with this setup.

But as of right now I pretty much have all the parts that I need laying in the garage to make something like this happen in no time. Except of course the oil return pump heh

[Sil40_Mayhem]

Here you go I made some labels maybe this will help you understand .

Crap, I got it now. I was looking at the Y pipe inlet thing it was some kind of dual-tipped exhaust (and that the exit was the inlet). Too many meetings today, not enough coffee.

[240cp]

s13fx i know where you can get a pump from its a little pricey but you can go to turbowerx.com they have one for 220.00 also there is two on ebay right now one with a buy it now price for 200.00 just search under electric scavage oil pump.

prob could search around a bit and find one used or something for alot cheaper. but like you i pretty much have everything to do something like this already as well.

[S13FX]

Yah, I hopped on ebay right after this and searched it got like 10 hits.

I will probably get around to welding everything together sometime closer to the end of May. There is one more thing that I have to test out before I jump on this band wagon .

[240cp]

what be that