Your Thoughts: Iraq and war.

[TrueSlide]

TrueSlide your cool!

The first fact that no one here can argue with

Honestly, this thread is kicking ***, even though some ppl don't want it open!! But honestly, I have learned so much from this thread and have a better understanding on many things(media, politics, even history )!!!

[madmax88]

right on man!

[nissanrose]

lets just blow their *** away and not worry about it any longer

[nissanrose]

screw the whole arguement thing and what if we do that andwhat if if we do this we having been playing games with these damn people for way to long lets just get it over with

[TrueSlide]

rose, you should read the entire thread before throwing out comments like that

[MaineExport]

I ran across this disturbing tidbit today.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials, 1946

There is a lot of truth to this, regardless of any possible translation or quotation errors. But... look how long the Nazi party lasted. If you want a real shocking education on the persuasion of the 'common masses'... look into research on the Catholic Church's methods. They've been doing it successfully for over 2000 years... and not a thing that we could fathom will ever stop it. I was born and raised Catholic... I believe in God... and I believe in the foundation of the church... the Bible. But the psychology behind their rituals and practices is amazing in its simplicity.

[lessthanjakejohn]

What Vimy posted is so true, Iv'e been thinking about ti all week. Persuasion of the common masses is dangerous! Anyone who the goverment considers "common" because of lack of thought process... man... I feel most people today are "common" simply cannot form thoughts that are based on their own stuff.

In a basic way they will hear someone on ESPN saying that "insert athlete here" is the best and will win MVP and then that person will go around and tell people that "insert athlete here" is the best because that guy on ESPN said it.

Recently there was an article in my school Newspaper talking about the possibility of war: 43% said we should "Nuke them all" 76% Didn't know what was happening and didn't know the history of Middle eastern conflicts 5 years back. 61% said that the war will not affect them in anyway.92% Said Bush is doing a good job (We do live in Texas, and we are "rich")

These were not first graders, these were seniors and juniors in highschool.

I am against war because of a lot of reasons but it seems today that we are so "technologically advanced" If we are to "TA" then shouldn't we be able to solve this problem without the "throwing stones method" I think with Bush's plan and America's lack of understanding(status quo) war is inevitable. How do you think war is going to affect us in 2 years?

[89sxRCR]

Quote »What Vimy posted is so true, Iv'e been thinking about ti all week. Persuasion of the common masses is dangerous! Anyone who the goverment considers "common" because of lack of thought process... man... I feel most people today are "common" simply cannot form thoughts that are based on their own stuff.[/quote] It works both ways, for any side. Its sad but true, most humans are sheep, waiting to be led... sigh

[s14=pimpin']

I have purposely avoided this thread since day one, because i know my thoughts are usually the last thing my american neighbors want to hear (anyone remember the ladies thread??) You guys and politics, just can't mix, with an unbiased opinion.

anyway, just want to say I hope G. Bush goes home and kicks his dog, to relieve that finger trigger itch he seems to be showing as of late. War helps no one but the greedy politicians at the top of the game, i hope there is no war, for the safety of this world we live in, and the safety of my big brother neighbor down south. I'd also hate to see some nukes go stray, and end up in my backyard (since toronto is a pretty big city in N. America).

I haven't read any of the posts in this thread, nor do i plan to, because i'd like to sleep tonight, so if my reply is totally inappropriate in any way, i appologize. Just hope you guys don't go to war, its really not worth the oil.

[madmax88]

I,M SORRY BUT IT,S THEM OR US AND THATS THE TRUTH! & I DO NOT THINK THERES ANY LOVE LOST.

[lessthanjakejohn]

I really think that I am safe saying that this War is hardly over Oil. If they wanted Oil they would buy it. This war is going to cost at least a trillion or so + casualties. Do you guys really believe that George Bush would go to war just for a few million, maybe billion in oil? He doesn't exactly need any more money.

[FrEaK]

I,M SORRY BUT IT,S THEM OR US AND THATS THE TRUTH! & I DO NOT THINK THERES ANY LOVE LOST.

1) Hit the Caps Lock button on the left of your keyboard.2) It's ' not , ok3)The english language is hard i know, but learn it well before speaking...

Thankyou

[lessthanjakejohn]

[i[Quothe FredAlso Iraq is simply too poor at this point to easily rebuold a capability of any significance, especilly with its surface constantly being watched by satellites.

The white House says that Iraq is rich enough to rebuild itself if we happen to destroy it.? huh? That is either total bull**** or shows that The US has no intentions of taking over.

[FrEaK]

Iraq hides it's wealth, any speculation of it is just that... speculation

[lessthanjakejohn]

What about the common civilians how are they supposed to get a new home and get food to eat.

In japan after WW2 1 out of 7 japanese died of starvation, THey also got food for the US also. Without MacArthur, Japan wouldn't be where it is today. I hope we could turn something like that out of Iraq.

Futre:

YA man i just got my IDM motor its sweet

[FrEaK]

The Japs shouldn't have bombed pearl harbor... they brought it on themselves...

[VimyJ]

I hope we could turn something like that out of Iraq.

Don't think, even for a second, there is a comparison to be made about a possible postwar Iraq and postwar Japan or Geramny. Japan (and Germany) was a highly developed industrial nation with a tradition of effective government (to what effect is another question). Iraq has no tradition of this or democracy.

BTW, I saw actors Sarandon and Farrell on one of the Sunday shows today. Seems to me like they have studied the issues pretty closley which is a lot more than most of their detractors can claim. Ever seen the Monty Python "I'd Like an Argument, Please" episode and the definition of the term "gainsay" contained therein?

[MaineExport]

BTW, I saw actors Sarandon and Farrell on one of the Sunday shows today. Seems to me like they have studied the issues pretty closley

I would hope so... considering they are taking their opinions to the public... one would expect no less. Then again, I doubt they have to do too much 'studying' per se. I'm sure their publicists and agents have grunts do a lot of the foot work... and then feed them the information. It doesn't take much to influence some... I'm sure one of their friends or colleagues said.... 'hey, check out this Iraq thing...this really sucks... blah blah... blah blah...' and so on and so forth.

There are a handful of celebs that are very intelligent and informed... still doesn't make me respect their opinion any more than yours or the next guy's. Maybe less... because they seem to think I should care.... **cough**<Sting... arrogant a$$hole>**cough**

[MaineExport]

Ever seen the Monty Python "I'd Like an Argument, Please" episode and the definition of the term "gainsay" contained therein?

Haha... yes, now I remember!

"That was never an argument just then!"

"Yes it was."

"No it wasn't"

"Listen, if we're going to have and argument, I must take a contrary position"

"Yes but that doesn't mean the automatic gainsaying of what I've just said!"

"Yes it does."

"NO IT DOESN'T!!!!"

I have that on the MP double CD set!!! Great stuff!!!:D

[SmithSR]

repo man hits the nail on the head... military action must be taken and soon

[VimyJ]

Ha! Saddam challenged W to a debate. I don't fancy our chances.

Isael's continued non compliance with UN resolutions is a terrible problem that is integral to this situtation in the Mid East. The Jews must give up the disputed territories and a Palestinian state established before there will be any hope of a substantial and stabile peace.

[89sxRCR]

Quote »Ha! Saddam challenged W to a debate. I don't fancy our chances.[/quote] because there IS NO debate about Saddam needing to disarm, there is nothing to debate about. His open defiance of the UN resolution banning his possesion of Al-Samoud 2 missiles is just one example that he is unable to be "debated"Quote »Isael's continued non compliance with UN resolutions is a terrible problem that is integral to this situtation in the Mid East. The Jews must give up the disputed territories and a Palestinian state established before there will be any hope of a substantial and stabile peace.[/quote] the palestinians have been refused statehood by every other country in the region, why should isreal abdicate and give them any territory they ask for? Particularly after they resort to terrosrism as thier method of negotiating. Giving terrorists what they want does not create peace.

[AZhitman]

Palestine, Schmalestine.

Blame the Brits for not doing a better job drawing things up from the get-go. Crumpet-eating, gingivitis-infested basturds.

Besides, ever wonder why no one has EVER (in recorded history) been able to kick Israel's a$$?

*scratching our collective chins* Hmmmmmm.... Anybody wanna take a guess?

[89sxRCR]

cuz that would be armegeddon? if you bieleve that sort of thing

[AZhitman]

I wasn't going THAT far, but that's certainly a consideration....

[FrEaK]

It's because their camels are faster then your missiles.... a maybe more intellegent than your soldiers?

[AZhitman]

[deesolballs]

Palestine, Schmalestine.

Blame the Brits for not doing a better job drawing things up from the get-go. Crumpet-eating, gingivitis-infested basturds.

Besides, ever wonder why no one has EVER (in recorded history) been able to kick Israel's a$$?

*scratching our collective chins* Hmmmmmm.... Anybody wanna take a guess?

You aren't counting the Bible as recorded history I assume. Wasn't Jerusalem taken by King Nebuchadrezzar while the propet Jeremiah was in prison?

[FrEaK]

Deese i had no idea your were a bible thumper?

[AZhitman]

Why does one have to be a Bible-thumper to cite recorded history?

Dees - I'm working on it - Damn your tough questions.