Why a Supercharger or a Twin Turbo is needed in a G-35

[smockers83]

Oh snap.

I know I've contributed to part of this, which I apologize for, but I will try to refrain from providing an audience for this. On that note, can we go back to the way this forum used to be because it was much more pleasant and more fun 2 months ago. The days when we discussed our Gs without worry of sparking another debate, the things we can do, and helping other people, and only got off track when we entered Mustangs into the equation (seems so long ago). The debates can be entertaining and engaging, however, there is a time and place for everything, and this isn't the place. We shouldn't need a scientific explanation for everything that happens with the G, just straight up answers in plain English that are in context to what is being explained and talked about. We get into these debates, I feel, because someone starts it and we all just go OMG (either because one doesn't like it, is tired of it, or doesn't understand it, or something) and debate completely different tangents of everything and leave the guy (or lady) who asked a very simple question and wanted only a simple answer hanging out to dry. Its rude and doesn't leave a good impression for new and prospective members, at least I can't imagine that it does. If this were my thread that this happened to, especially if I were new, I'd just be like "Honestly guys? Honestly? WTF." And then I'd probably leave. Just my .02

I'm not asking for drastic measures to be taken here. I'm just asking that we stop flopping our d!ck out onto the table, use our better judgment, and be civil and have that laid back, fun environment we had before.

Also, the G will eat the Mazda 6 for lunch yumyumyumyumyum (Wedding Crashers if anyone caught on), I've done it. Well maybe not for lunch, but it'll beat it.
Modified by smockers83 at 2:43 AM 2/24/2008

[gwoods]

Oh snap.

I'm just asking that we stop flopping our d!ck out onto the table,

Modified by smockers83 at 2:43 AM 2/24/2008

Where is Gday?

Hey Jack0 don't feel bad about C kwik he NEVER agrees with me either. I just usually give up and move on Everyone has opinions.....

I think every mod on NICO has read this thread and half have left a comment please don't delete it just It should be allowed to survive for entertainment purposes if nothing else

[SVTCOBRA]

Oh snap.

I know I've contributed to part of this, which I apologize for, but I will try to refrain from providing an audience for this. On that note, can we go back to the way this forum used to be because it was much more pleasant and more fun 2 months ago. The days when we discussed our Gs without worry of sparking another debate, the things we can do, and helping other people, and only got off track when we entered Mustangs into the equation (seems so long ago). The debates can be entertaining and engaging, however, there is a time and place for everything, and this isn't the place. We shouldn't need a scientific explanation for everything that happens with the G, just straight up answers in plain English that are in context to what is being explained and talked about. We get into these debates, I feel, because someone starts it and we all just go OMG (either because one doesn't like it, is tired of it, or doesn't understand it, or something) and debate completely different tangents of everything and leave the guy (or lady) who asked a very simple question and wanted only a simple answer hanging out to dry. Its rude and doesn't leave a good impression for new and prospective members, at least I can't imagine that it does. If this were my thread that this happened to, especially if I were new, I'd just be like "Honestly guys? Honestly? WTF." And then I'd probably leave. Just my .02

I'm not asking for drastic measures to be taken here. I'm just asking that we stop flopping our d!ck out onto the table, use our better judgment, and be civil and have that laid back, fun environment we had before.

Also, the G will eat the Mazda 6 for lunch yumyumyumyumyum (Wedding Crashers if anyone caught on), I've done it. Well maybe not for lunch, but it'll beat it.

Modified by smockers83 at 2:43 AM 2/24/2008

would be glad to post pic of mustang to get thread back on track!!

[rn79870]

Jacko, there is one more thing to consider before adding F/I to your car. I've seen 4:11 (I think they were 4:11) gears available for the 350Z. Adding gears to your car will make it accelerate stronger at the speeds you will be running at the track. When I was a pup, I drove my Dad's 40HP VW. That car had such an unbelievably low first gear I could beat anything, even a 427 L89 Corvette, from dead stop to 12 MPH. As long as I declared the race over at 12MPH I was both legal and the winner.

[SVTCOBRA]

Jacko, there is one more thing to consider before adding F/I to your car. I've seen 4:11 (I think they were 4:11) gears available for the 350Z. Adding gears to your car will make it accelerate stronger at the speeds you will be running at the track. When I was a pup, I drove my Dad's 40HP VW. That car had such an unbelievably low first gear I could beat anything, even a 427 L89 Corvette, from dead stop to 12 MPH. As long as I declared the race over at 12MPH I was both legal and the winner.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but have been told GEARS are the biggest bang for the buck in getting my cobra down the track faster....But, I have 3.27, I think the G is better out of the box.

[WDRacing]

I've swapped a few different gear ranges in various different cars. They have their benefits and their problems. Your gas mileage will go down, your top speed will go down but your car will pick up quite a bit of low end grunt with no ill effects to tuning and such.

I'd say Nitrous is the best bang for the buck. But it's a track only type of thing and not very rewarding for the daily. Leaving my first choice as the best bet, turbo

WD

[gwoods]

A better choice to gears would be tires.

You can have the same effect without having to take the car apart.

The factory tires on a 07 Sedan are 225/55/17's

My car is now running 235/45/17 on the street.. I'll probably do 245/45/17's next time.

On the track I'm running 275/40/17's tires.

According to tire rack and kumho the tires stack up like this

225/55/17 is 27.2" tall and 8.3" wide235/45/17 is 25.4" tall and 9.2" wide

a difference of 6.6% in height is the equivlant of a taller gear set. The factory gears are 3.69 so x 6% = 3.93

[SVTCOBRA]

I thought that taller tires would mess up your ABS.?

I can't add anymore power or gears to the cobra with the 245's I have. Need at least 275's first.

With daughter going to college in the fall, no more mods to anything unless we see some scholarship $$$$

[WDRacing]

With daughter going to college in the fall, no more mods to anything unless we see some scholarship $$$$

I hear that man, my 12 yr old and 6 month old absorb quite a bit of fun money

Atleast with the Mustang you can affordably play around in comparison to just about everything Nissan/Infiniti has to offer.

[G_whizz]

Oh snap.

I know I've contributed to part of this, which I apologize for, but I will try to refrain from providing an audience for this. On that note, can we go back to the way this forum used to be because it was much more pleasant and more fun 2 months ago. The days when we discussed our Gs without worry of sparking another debate, the things we can do, and helping other people, and only got off track when we entered Mustangs into the equation (seems so long ago). The debates can be entertaining and engaging, however, there is a time and place for everything, and this isn't the place. We shouldn't need a scientific explanation for everything that happens with the G, just straight up answers in plain English that are in context to what is being explained and talked about. We get into these debates, I feel, because someone starts it and we all just go OMG (either because one doesn't like it, is tired of it, or doesn't understand it, or something) and debate completely different tangents of everything and leave the guy (or lady) who asked a very simple question and wanted only a simple answer hanging out to dry. Its rude and doesn't leave a good impression for new and prospective members, at least I can't imagine that it does. If this were my thread that this happened to, especially if I were new, I'd just be like "Honestly guys? Honestly? WTF." And then I'd probably leave. Just my .02

I'm not asking for drastic measures to be taken here. I'm just asking that we stop flopping our d!ck out onto the table, use our better judgment, and be civil and have that laid back, fun environment we had before.

Also, the G will eat the Mazda 6 for lunch yumyumyumyumyum (Wedding Crashers if anyone caught on), I've done it. Well maybe not for lunch, but it'll beat it.

Modified by smockers83 at 2:43 AM 2/24/2008

Agreed...

NO MORE SCIENTIFIC DEBATES

[rn79870]

A better choice to gears would be tires.

You can have the same effect without having to take the car apart.

The factory tires on a 07 Sedan are 225/55/17's

My car is now running 235/45/17 on the street.. I'll probably do 245/45/17's next time.

On the track I'm running 275/40/17's tires.

According to tire rack and kumho the tires stack up like this

225/55/17 is 27.2" tall and 8.3" wide235/45/17 is 25.4" tall and 9.2" wide

a difference of 6.6% in height is the equivlant of a taller gear set. The factory gears are 3.69 so x 6% = 3.93

The only problem with different tire sizes (for the street) is that they throw your speedo off. Your mph will read high,(with a smaller dia tire) and the mileage will accumulate at a faster rate. For the track I totally agree.

(Whoops, just saw G_Whizz's post. Hope this ain't a scientific debate.)

[gwoods]

My speedometer is probably 6% off at any speed. I notice I am going through the traps at the 1/4 mile at 105-110 mph and the track slip show 99.9 mph

Driving on the street my speedometer seems to be pretty accurate overall. I go past a lot of those speed boxes that warn you photo radar is being used at the next light. They give you your speed. With my cruise set at 45 mph the boxes tell me I'm 43-44 mph. Having MY speedometer read 2-3 mph fast is not a bad thing :-)

[SVTCOBRA]

The only problem with different tire sizes (for the street) is that they throw your speedo off. Your mph will read high,(with a smaller dia tire) and the mileage will accumulate at a faster rate. For the track I totally agree.

(Whoops, just saw G_Whizz's post. Hope this ain't a scientific debate.)

YOU ARE OK...I understood what you said!!

[Jacko3]

gwoods:

Thanks for your sound comments. Actually, you may be right about the tire issue. I don't know what type of tires the Mazda 6 speed had. I have the original Bridgstone Potenzas, which are now approachign 20K. I can see how this could have made a difference in performance.

[Jacko3]

rn79870:

Thanks for the advice.

[Jacko3]

Azhitman and Smockers83:

All I can do with both your comments is . Lets learn to deal with human beings as beings--in speech, writing, and in action . Debate is not sin. It is an elixir for the mind. It is what sets apart a democracy from a theocracy, whether that debate is right or wrong . If this is a theocracy or a cartel of car nuts, please let me know.

Yes, there is a time and place for a debate, but then, several topics on this forum, of which I have not been involved with, have gone off tangent as well . And yet, I have heard little from both of you. Is there something about the name "Jacko" that triggers the and and . I don't know. I just had to ask out of curiosity because of a pattern that it is becoming rather evident.

Change comes slowly, and change ain't bad . I want both of you to have a popcorn on me . I am going to hide behind the couch now .

[AZhitman]

Azhitman and Smockers83:

If this is a cartel of car nuts, please let me know.

It is.

And there's not a whole lot of room for pseudo-philosophers, bellybutton-gazers, theoretical blather or faux-intellectual mumbo-jumbo.

Misinformation has no place here. Sorry if that runs counter to your worldview, but that's the way it is.

[Jacko3]

Azhitman:

You should have said so in the beginning that this is a cartel--disclaimer should have been placed on forums.nicoclub.com about the cartel like nature of this site. BTW, I don't think average americans are happy with cartels. We love democracy where we can speak our minds. Why the name calling? .

[WDRacing]

Azhitman and Smockers83:

All I can do with both your comments is . Lets learn to deal with human beings as beings--in speech, writing, and in action . Debate is not sin. It is an elixir for the mind. It is what sets apart a democracy from a theocracy, whether that debate is right or wrong . If this is a theocracy or a cartel of car nuts, please let me know.

Yes, there is a time and place for a debate, but then, several topics on this forum, of which I have not been involved with, have gone off tangent as well . And yet, I have heard little from both of you. Is there something about the name "Jacko" that triggers the and and . I don't know. I just had to ask out of curiosity because of a pattern that it is becoming rather evident.

Change comes slowly, and change ain't bad . I want both of you to have a popcorn on me . I am going to hide behind the couch now .

Dude...we were just getting back on topic...let it the f*** go already. Like Greg said, we're going to call you on the BS every time...its what we do. This thread is now about making the G go faster, if you reply with anything that isn't directly related to that, I'm just gonna delete it.

Have a nice day sir.

WD

[Jacko3]

WDracing:

I have issues with insolent comments. I think you should direct your comments to those who use foul words at me as well. Wouldn't that be fair? Do you have an idea how many people have been run-off from this forum by the insolent among us on this forum? Are ou saying it is okay to be a car nut and yet be insolent?

I am sorry I will not stand for insolence. And, how do you know the so-called experts are not BSing themselves? Where they there when the car was being designed and manufactured? Please, tell me?

Do what you must!

[AZhitman]

Azhitman:

You should have said so in the beginning that this is a cartel--disclaimer should have been placed on forums.nicoclub.com about the cartel like nature of this site. BTW, I don't think average americans are happy with cartels. We love democracy where we can speak our minds. Why the name calling? .

For someone who purports to be so smart, you certainly don't read very well.

Perhaps you should re-read the Terms of Service you agreed to when you created an account.

Don't question me until you can get your own facts straight.

When 30 people in a thread think you're full of crap, you're probably full of crap. Consider that.

Don't act all butt-hurt because someone called you out on your B.S., some of us actually know and hang out with Nissan engineers and employees of Nissan North America, and you're way off base. And yes, some of us were even involved in early pre-production surveys of the car in question.

No more pseudo-intellectualization. Your opinions are fine, just be prepared for disagreement. You want someone to emotionally bond with over theoretical possibilities, I think there's a forum on Oprah's site.

[Jacko3]

WDRACING and Beancooker:

I am no longer responding to the insolence of AZHitman. What are you going to do about his name-calling? Not once have I called him any names. I would really like to say a few honest things about AZHitman but I am restraining myself a great deal for fear of going ballistic on him. Please, speak kindly to his/her better nature. If you look throughout this topic, I never for once made any remarks to his comments even those I had issues with.

[WDRacing]

WDracing:

I have issues with insolent comments. I think you should direct your comments to those who use foul words at me as well. Wouldn't that be fair? Do you have an idea how many people have been run-off from this forum by the insolent among us on this forum? Are ou saying it is okay to be a car nut and yet be insolent?

I am sorry I will not stand for insolence. And, how do you know the so-called experts are not BSing themselves? Where they there when the car was being designed and manufactured? Please, tell me?

Do what you must!

I'm a mechanic, so you'll have to excuse my foul language. This will be my one and only reply to this situation. So lets not have a drawn out discussion about why I, or any of us for that matter, do what we do. The topic originally was about the G being slow or slower then a given vehicle. Not my concern, sounds like a good topic to hash out.

Then we brought in some garble about gravity and physics...this had no place in the current discussion. The talk about superchargers and turbo's was a good idea, but then we digressed again...into things we didn't need to.

Debate is NOT always a good thing. Having an educated discussion on making something go faster does not require debates on physics, unless we're talking about weight management and suspension geometry. Which we weren't.

This is not my forum. I don't own a G, I do however have a boat load of experience with making things go fast. I know the ins/outs of boost in all forms and how they can be applied to any given platform. Which is why I came into this discussion.

Nico is known for being one of the most friendly forums on the entire internet. In fact, we've been accused of being to friendly and have lost members for not having stricter rules.

In my forums, Hybrids and KAT mostly, I don't allow people to bash other members undeservedly...if that's even a word. But car guys often talk smack and do so in abrasive tones and vocabulary. That is just a fact we all deal with. If you take issue with someone or something being said, alert one of the staff, we'll handle it if it needs handling at all.

Lets start with a fresh slate from this point forth. I hold no ill will towards anyone on Nico at this juncture. Cept maybe Beaner...but that's another story all together.

Lets talk about making the land yacht...I mean G...go faster. Deal?

WD

[G_whizz]

Lets talk about making the land yacht...I mean G...go faster. Deal?

WD

Oh and Jacko... AZHitman can pretty much do anything he wants.. he owns NICO

Ok... fresh slate... start over. Everyone be nice from here on in... or I'm bringing out a ban stick. WD.. don't get excited.. theres no spanking with the stick that's gonna happen.

BTW... nice to see you popping in here more often..

[rn79870]

Jacko, look at it like this. Someone invites you, and several others into their living room to talk about your G. Most of the people there don't have a clue, or care if pv=nrt or what the square root of -9 is. The host realizes this, and asks his guests stop talking about the things many don't understand, or care to understand. Instead, he suggests those discussions be held the garage. (gen chat). He also insists that information presented be documented, or clearly identified as an opinion.

In my opinion, if someone is nice enough to invite us into their home, the least we can do is follow their rules, be respectful, and enjoy what they are offering. I'd enjoy much of what you write and I'd hate to see this not turn out well for you. Suck it up, and go forward.

Edited...Sorry if I'm out of line here. I didn't see the two mod posts above this when I started writing this. Now, we can return to astronomy, or whatever this thread was about, I forgot already.




Modified by rn79870 at 12:04 PM 2/24/2008

[WDRacing]

WDRACING and Beancooker:

I am no longer responding to the insolence of AZHitman. What are you going to do about his name-calling? Not once have I called him any names. I would really like to say a few honest things about AZHitman but I am restraining myself a great deal for fear of going ballistic on him. Please, speak kindly to his/her better nature. If you look throughout this topic, I never for once made any remarks to his comments even those I had issues with.

Kinda hard to do anything to Greg man, he owns Nico and is well within his rights to say what he feels. Read my last post and consider it before you say anything else.

When Greg and I call you a name...it's nothing we wouldn't say directly to you in person. If we were sitting around the tent at Nopi and you started spouting off about Gravity and gear ratio's inside of a turbo, I'd step up to you and tell you to be quiet...possibly referring to you as *** or something worse. It really depends on how many beers I've had at that point. If you were to ask me why, I'd sit down and explain to you everything I know about everything because that's who I am.

It's nothing personal, it's just me. When using an online forum you have to endure things with open arms and leather gloves so as not to get burned while taking in all the info.

WD

[WDRacing]

WD.. don't get excited.. theres no spanking with the stick that's gonna happen.

Don't make me show everyone your sign Sean!!!

[Jacko3]

WDRacing:

I hear you! However, i would like to have a similar commentary directed at AzHitman who has done little to show restrain in his commentary. That would appear fair and more consistent to me.

Everyone has an approach to understanding how things work. I just happen to use a little science to do that. That is my orientation. If I am wrong, I welcome alternative responses. However, I demand those reszponses to be with some decorum.

Anyway, I am appreciative of your response, and I will try to limit my propensity to use the sciences to explore my world. I ma a reasonable guy, howver, I can becoome very unreasonable with insolent people.

Talking about cars, whether right or wrong, should never devolve into insolence. This is plain wrong. We can do a lot of challenging things in our lives, but we must do so with others in mind. We do not exist in a vacuum. We live with others around us, evenb if we disagree with them.

But, I want to make it clear to Azhitman and any others out there that I will not stand for insolence, of any sort or any kind, even if you disagree with me. If not, they will receive a full measure of insolence from me--this is a promise. I love words and I know how to use them to break the spirits of many.

[Jacko3]

WDRacing:

You are a great diplomat. If you are working for Azhitman, i hope he does well to keep you. I would be paying heed to your good advice. Azhitman's ownership of this forum, should never be a front to speak to others as he pleases. We call that abuse. And as a leader of something with meaning to others, he should show moral leadership and more restraint.

[WDRacing]

In reality, Greg is one of the nicest people I've met to date. That should speak volumes because I've traveled the world and back again. He may be abrasive, but he holds other qualities that far out shine anything that could be construed as negative. Now...Back on topic!!!

Has anyone considered the remote turbo on the G yet? You'll have to ignore my noobishness to previously discussed topics since I don't read the G forum all to often. My 240 is getting on in years and the G is the next platform in the Nissan/Infiniti realm I'd consider though.

A nice single or even a set of small twins would be very quick to spool and provide more then anough volume for an efficient 10psi by 2800ish rpm.

WD