Toyota makes a commercial duplicating my worst nightmare

[Urabus GodofTraction]

It's driver. Did you miss my description above? READ, charlieo, READ!

You're very narcissistic, do you realize that?

Funny, you should learn to read...

You left out something from Princeton yourself...
S: (n) rider (a traveler who actively rides a vehicle (as a bicycle or motorcycle))

Oh wait, what's that? Ohhh, you wrooooooong. Again. Does it get tiring?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Are you a moron...


S: (n) rider (a traveler who actively rides a vehicle (as a bicycle or motorcycle))

OK. Now let's look up "RIDE"


S: (v) ride (be carried or travel on or in a vehicle) "I ride to work in a bus"; "He rides the subway downtown every day"


THAT ISN'T IN CONTROL........... JUST TRAVELING, RIDING, BEING A PASSENGER IN IT.
YOU'RE SO TIRING!

Read more:

Same website: "S: (v) ride (sit on and control a vehicle) "He rides his bicycle to work every day"; "She loves to ride her new motorcycle through town""

[Urabus GodofTraction]

God damn it.

I never liked Princeton.

More a Harvard man myself. Have an uncle who went there. They also apparently offer a very flexible distance learning program for a masters I may consider in a year or so.

[alms24sebring]

Sorry I dont mean to but in.. its great really but I just have to say that I think I_L is trying to say that the operator of a motorcycle should be called the driver because he is after all the operator of the vehicle. But it's called 'rider' by everyone so I think the general term 'rider' just took over. After all you can ride in your in your car but you would be called a 'driver', even tho your still driving and in control of the car. What the difference besides car vs bike. Its still traffic and considered a motor vehicle by DMV, both of you are in 100% control, and both will 'drive' the vehicles to where ever they need to be, so technically, their both 'drivers'... Except bikers are 'riders' like fisherman go 'sailing', pilots go 'flying', and semi' drivers (or riders) go 'trucking'. Biker go 'riding'. They can be called whatever they want but they are all the 'drivers' of their motorized vehicles.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

What's your field of study? Mine's business - entrepreneurship. I'm looking to get into Duke's JD/MBA dual degree program after receiving my bachelors.

Political Science-International Relations, and Economics. I may pick up an MBA, but having lived the "business" life for two years, I'd be loathe to ever return, so I don't know how useful it would be.


Pilots are not drivers, and to make claim as such is stretching the bounds of a definition. Same with motorcycles, boats (tell a helmsman he drives a boat...similar to telling a pilot he drives), etc.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You missed a ninja edit. ALMS must have made his post after I began working on mine.

I probably will not pursue further into economics. While interesting, you're exactly right.

[alms24sebring]

They can be called whatever they want but they are all the 'drivers' of their motorized vehicles.

Thank you...that's what I was trying to get at.

charlieo will still argue that it's incorrect though

yep.. high five

.... Im going to bed now

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You missed a ninja edit. ALMS must have made his post after I began working on mine.

I probably will not pursue further into economics. While interesting, you're exactly right.

I saw it. #4 and counting...

And it's nice to be told that I'm right about something finally.

Edits like that keep postcount down, reducing signal-to-noise ratio (though this thread is ALL noise), and to not deserve the negative connotation you're attaching to them.


Very few people are talented enough to be wrong all the time. Sometimes they're only not wrong because they're accidentally right, though.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Flaw: Increasing the size of this thread is driving away traffic. But you're enjoying being contrary, so have at it.

The real question...

Karen:


or Erin:


Hard choice, that.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

And, this thread isn't driving away traffic - it's gotten 572 views. I believe it was at 379 yesterday night at my last post. That's traffic right there in black and white!

**Notice how I created a new reply in this thread instead of editing my old one.

Nearly all of those are ours. We're driving away new visitors, and expansion is the lifeblood of a website.

[Jesda]

Toyota ads are a bit depressing. They don't inspire, convey pride, or create a sense of want.

"Hi, I have a Camry. I'm a pudgy white American. Want to see my Peter Cetera records?"

The Sienna ads are at least self-deprecating.

That's the way you want to view the commercial, although that's exactly opposite of what it truly does display.

Inspire:
-The family is happy
-The family has had Toyota Camrys for three generations, bringing the family together thru each generation and new vehicle

Pride:[

It may not be an "attractive" commercial for your tastes or wants, but it is for most lower-middle to upper-middle class people. And that demographic is much larger than just you.

Cool wall of text. Looks like a Nazi war memorial. Wanna touch d!ck?

[MinisterofDOOM]

I've been given the opportunity to live the privileged life, maybe you have too, and was given a vehicle at the ripe age of sixteen. It was an Infiniti G35 and I feel in love with it! But, you see, I went to a private school. Many kids there had much more expensive vehicles and, mostly likely, looked down on the vehicle that I had. But, to me, that vehicle was great! To them, it wasn't that good.

I hardly had anything as nice as a G35 in high school. I bought myself an '84 DeVille. It was dented, yellow, and missing a grille, and the trunk had been crushed and no longer locked. It had a gutless HT4100 V8 (one of GM's worst ideas ever) and could maybe do 0-60 in about 12 seconds (on a good day). And I never once gave half a damn what anyone else thought of it because I was far too telling them all how much I loved it.

Anyway, you're right that vehicle preference is subjective. But vehicle traits are not. The fact remains, at the end of the day, regardless of how happy the Camry families are or how well the cars have served them, the Camry's single laudable attribute is that it isn't particularly bad at anything. It isn't particularly GOOD at anything either. Sure, cite reliability. Lots of cars are just as reliable. Most of them also do something, even just one thing, particularly well. The Camry cannot make that claim. There's not a single thing Camry does better than its competition. It might offer a good all-around package, but being mediocre should NEVER be praised. It should NEVER be defended. And it should certainly never be encouraged.

It's the old saying "jack of all trades and master of none." Maybe a "jack of all trades" is great for people who have no idea what they really want from their car. But you don't have to be an "enthusiast" to know what you want from a car.

And I'd argue that the Camry only makes those families happy, as you put it, because they have no frame of reference. Because they're so busy being Camry lovers they've never given another car a chance. They buy into their own hype. Every Camry owner I know personally is exactly like that. They talk about how great their Camry is, how they'll never buy anything else again. But if you want to discuss what makes it so great, or what makes everything else so unappealing in comparison, they fall on their faces. Because they DON'T KNOW. Never even bothered to find out. They're so busy believing the Camry is the best they've forgotten to make sure it's true.

[Rev_D21]

Hey I just killed the Toyota family...boy did they taste awwful! The hubby took forever to cook on the grille with all the grade-D meat hanging off his wooly-mammoth sized frame. The daughters tasted like pure s***, lots of soy sauce needed to down those skanks. The wife I served with a nice fine wine but come to find out she hadn't had a bowel movement in 12 years, her innards let loose 2 minutes into being in the hot oil, gross and not very tasty either. I actually threw the sons to the dogs because I was stuffed by the time they were ready on the oven.

[Bubba1]

Neither! Hello sexy:



She can answer my phone any day!

And take dic......tation.

[Bubba1]

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I do, however, find fault in your mindset of Toyota Camry owners - I disagree with it wholeheartedly; they don't speak from a position of ignorance because of having no other experience to compare to. They speak from a position of frugalness and canniness. Why? Because they've found a vehicle that provides reliability, cost-to-benefit savings, and overall (again) happiness to their lifestyle and needs.

Well said. I hesitate to add any praises for the Camry without my "Camry nemesis" Jesda on line...

[Urabus GodofTraction]

And, please, don't challenge this. I, unfortunately, was a Computing Design major for one year and a few months before changing into Business. I'd blow your butt outta' the water when talking about anything technology related.

And I was an engineering major for two years before changing majors. And Computing Design? Is that really something to brag about? But please, blow on my a**, it's soothing.

Anyway, there are dozens of first time confused posters in General Chat. So nice work.


And had I figured out you were a silly little spoiled child earlier, I would have just laughed at you and avoided all this nonsense. Good work.

Also, you meant to say "I fell in love with it" not "I feel in love with it." That's just not acceptable.

Oh, and a truely frugal, canny family would have purchased used. And certainly not surprised their daughter with a new Toyota Camry for a gift. Instead they're just uninspired mediocrity, which makes sense because that's what a Toyota Camry is.

[MinisterofDOOM]

You state yourself: "But you don't have to be an "enthusiast" to know what you want from a car.", but you must be boring to drive a Toyota Camry?

Not at all. Not boring, just...intentless. Not knowing what you want means anything will please you. Which means being happy with a particular product doesn't mean much.

[MinisterofDOOM]

The Toyota Camry is a price-point that families in the middle-class, such as the Lunds (assuming), would be able to purchase new.

And to that I say:
Quit being spoiled twerps. The attitude of needing a new car in the driveway all the time is the REASON they can only afford a Camry. Buy 2 or 3 years old and your options open WIDE. Still get a warranty. Still get low miles. Don't get bit by depreciation. Don't spend gobs on a mediocre machine.

[Bubba1]

And, please, don't challenge this. I, unfortunately, was a Computing Design major for one year and a few months before changing into Business. I'd blow your butt outta' the water when talking about anything technology related.

And I was an engineering major for two years before changing majors. And Computing Design? Is that really something to brag about? But please, blow on my a**, it's soothing.

Anyway, there are dozens of first time confused posters in General Chat. So nice work.


And had I figured out you were a silly little spoiled child earlier, I would have just laughed at you and avoided all this nonsense. Good work.

Also, you meant to say "I fell in love with it" not "I feel in love with it." That's just not acceptable.

Oh, and a truely frugal, canny family would have purchased used. And certainly not surprised their daughter with a new Toyota Camry for a gift. Instead they're just uninspired mediocrity, which makes sense because that's what a Toyota Camry is.

I believe your jumping to conclusions, Charles. The commercial did not say they purchased only new Camry's. It appeared some of the kids got "hand me downs" or used ones, which supports their reputation of longevity. I also think you're off base as far as uninspired mediocrity. Most car makers would kill to offer such an uninspired model that inspires people to repeat buy them to the point they consistently rank among the best selling car models. It's obvious you don't like them, but it's also obvious Toyota is doing something right with them.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

http://www.google.com/search?q=toyota+c ... AU&prmdo=1

5th listing down, wait till Google reindexes this thread and it'll be first. Don't ever question my technical knowledge - first I'll beat you down with it and then I'll s*** on you when I'm proven right.

The Toyota Camry is a price-point that families in the middle-class, such as the Lunds (assuming), would be able to purchase new. So your point is?

If your technical knowledge is anything like your knowledge of nouns and verbs, I'm right to question it. And oh boy! Google results! If someone were to Google "toyota commercial," and view this thread, they'ed NEVER return to NICO. Thus, driving traffic away.

I believe your jumping to conclusions, Charles. The commercial did not say they purchased only new Camry's. It appeared some of the kids got "hand me downs" or used ones, which supports their reputation of longevity. I also think you're off base as far as uninspired mediocrity. Most car makers would kill to offer such an uninspired model that inspires people to repeat buy them to the point they consistently rank among the best selling car models. It's obvious you don't like them, but it's also obvious Toyota is doing something right with them.

I believe you're jumping to conclusions...uh...Bill. Of course I didn't say they purchased only new Camrys. Only that frugal people wouldn't purchase NEW Camrys, which they have done at least twice. So there goes the frugality argument. Hell, I recently read you could pick up a solid driver of a DB7 for under $22,000 dollars these days, which, if the Lunds had purchased instead of the loaded 2009 Camry, they'd have change left over. I think. Haven't priced out Camrys recently.

I've never really dogged the Camry as an appliance too much, only the life one must be living to have purchased 19 years of Camrys. Like I said, it would be like eating at Applebee's for 19 years. Even if you think that's decent food, it's just downright depressing.

The thing that really gets me is I didn't see one photo that wasn't a studio portrait of their family on the wall. That sort of sterile life matched up well with a generation raised in Camrys.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I'd speculate that there are some in the lower-class that even work overtime and take double jobs to afford their Toyota Camry.

If the American dream is a brand new Toyota Camry...add that to situations I'd gnaw on your block of rat poison for.

Oh wait! Toyota is trying to tell us that IS the American dream. Well, with a Corolla.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ITmlkjkIz8#!


AHHHHHH. All I have in the house are glue traps!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

The thing that really gets me is I didn't see one photo that wasn't a studio portrait of their family on the wall. That sort of sterile life matched up well with a generation raised in Camrys.

That's what most middle classed families call family portraits, which give them a sense of pride. If you're family room or living room wasn't decorated with some of them, then I'd be saddened at the lack of family atmosphere in your childhood.

My parent's walls are covered in pictures of them and their children on vacations, graduating, flying planes, sports, hobbies, etc. Not the hospital sterility of a studio portrait. And we were lower-middle class to boot!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Stop trying to defend your ignorance, Charles. I'll have none of it.

In other words, you got backed into a corner. And the Charles thing? People that work for me call me Charles, so you're having a wonderful connotation with it. Also, this isn't your daddy's company, what you'll have none of matters exactly nothing.

[Dattebayo]

Haven't you realized already? He thinks he is perfect.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

The American Dream is not a set notion. It varies between each person.

And, HOW DARE YOU insult some people's "American Dream" and hope that they die from rat poison when you've spent time defending their right to have that same American Dream.

Underling, how you lack reading skills.

Have I said anything about THEM dying? No, only that I would be in a living hell if I was in their life, and therefor I scoff at them.

And no, you talked about traffic and users to NICOclub (club growing in size). I know you're getting distracted and your walls-of-text are wearing you down, but keep track of what you're saying.

The larger our overall post count (for the entire forum) the more traffic our forum receives and activity increases. Furthermore, it increases forum security of never not (double neg. I know) being the largest Nissan/Infiniti online community. So, creating a separate post for additional information is, and if not, should be recommended.

Driving a one-time user off is not beneficial to the website. If a vet website had a forum with a thread about raping a horse, and google presented it as the first option for "sick horse," a browser looking for information to help his sick horse would dismiss said website immediately.

Haven't you realized already? He thinks he is perfect.

I still like prodding at him like he's my science experiment tho.

For someone talking like he owns me (throw back from his privileged childhood, perhaps), your foaming at the mouth, using font sizes and bold to express outrage reactions are significantly more worthy of investigation.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You specifically stated earlier in this thread - and I quote:

Original point, one last time, maybe you'll finally get it:
The Lunds, with their ever-increasing beltlines, Wal-Mart furniture, multiple Camrys, and most telling, a wall full of nothing but sterile, studio portraits of their family, sure have the life. I'm jealous! Jealous of the fact they could live that life without eating rat poison.

You're jealous that they could live their life without eating rat poison, thus implying that you'd like to see them eat rat poison. You're not going to get away with changing mental attitude mid-converstation with me.

That's a huge stretch, and you know it.

You're dismissed. Completely. From now on, all your posts are going to be answered with this picture:

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Oh, and I did notice how you "forgot" to respond to my explain of Google rankings. Nice try, tho.

I'm going to make this thread the #1 result for Toyota Camry! That'll be great for NICO! Must be doing something wrong, this thread isn't even on the first page for "Toyota Commercial"!

[Bubba1]

I've never really dogged the Camry as an appliance too much, only the life one must be living to have purchased 19 years of Camrys. Like I said, it would be like eating at Applebee's for 19 years. Even if you think that's decent food, it's just downright depressing.

It's depressing only in your mind, my friend. To the Lund family, assuming they're real, they see absolutely nothing wrong with continuous ownership of one model. And that is probably the root of the controversy. You assume your way is the only way that works. It's not. Everyone has their own priorities and interests, and you represent a minority view. I'm not saying it's wrong. But the fact that Toyota has been selling so many Camry's means they've reached a segment of people that like them for what they are.

I'm not sure eating at one restaurant is a good comparison for car ownership. But to keep things in perspective, I bought a 240sx new and drove it for 14 years as a DD. That's a long time for one car. To many people, 240sx's are boring underpowered sporty coupes (non sports cars). To me, it was a nice fun reliable commuter. Under your assessment, I fall into the depressing category as I simply found a nice product I liked and stuck with it.

The thing that really gets me is I didn't see one photo that wasn't a studio portrait of their family on the wall. That sort of sterile life matched up well with a generation raised in Camrys.

Well, I wouldn't read too much into a commercial. It's possible this was a group of actors with professional portraits on a set.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Well, I wouldn't read too much into a commercial. It's possible this was a group of actors with professional portraits on a set.

Quite possibly, but if so, that's Toyota trying to identify with the sort of family that would just have a bunch of pictures of their kids on the wall. Which is a brilliant move on Toyota's part, as Camry owners are like that, as I've been saying (barring distractions from that pest) the whole time.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You're entire thought process is flawed. It's the complete opposite of societal norms and you know what people do those people? REJECT.

If you're up for a truly useful position in a company or about ready to take your relationship to the next level, expect to be REJECTED should you ever display the same mentality to those people that you've shown in this thread.

I'm about to get upgraded to a new "department" at my workplace, I'll let you know how it goes! Also I'm up for a tidy promotion May 27th (right on schedule), I'll let you know how that goes!