The matrix has you...

[JESTER]

No. not yet anyway. It looked like on the preview that the Squiddys got through. They were enguaging them wiht the mech warriors walking around.

I saw another preview with differnet stuff last night on some show. They showed the squiddys chasing a ship and it was firing on it with machine guns. Looked cool.

[SmithSR]

Hmm, makes me wonder why they chose the names they did. Good stuff, basic yet complex in meaning, or interpretation of meaning.

Neo, meaning "new", "recent", "latest", or "in a new, different, or modified way". the new "one" of this version of the matrix??

Morpheus: morphe, "one who shapes dreams." Greek myth: "the god who shapes dreams." interesting considering Neo has a dream that actually turns out to be the future. Also, in the first movie he rambles on about "dream world", and in the second, as his ship is destroyed he mumbles about he had dreamed...something i couldn't hear, as there was a fat chick in front of me ruining the movie for me.

Trinity: one of many biblical references in the matrix movies. the condition of being three. the unity of three divine persons. could this be a reference to the three main characters neo, morpheus, and her being the final part of a trinity? doubt it, just a cool chick name maybe.

Zion: another biblical reference: heaven, or 'the heavenly city". clearly represented in the movies as the last and only safe place for humans.

Nebuchadnezzar: biblical again, a king of babylonia, conquered Jerusalem, destroyed the temple, deported many Israelites to Babylon, taking with him the young, strongest, and most intelligent of the Jews. Also he oredered three men who believed in God into a fiery furnace, all of whom were unharmed by the fire. OK, so I've just read way too much into this, as it's a cool name for a ship and that should be good enough.

Smith: hmm, the most common last name, perfect for agents who are basically identical in appearance, and essentially nameless and featureless. the perfect line: Morpheus: "and you are?" Smith: "a smith" Morpheus:"you all look the same to me" There's a reverse of a racially motivated joke there, and it's perfect for the movie involving agents that could be considered a type of "clone". anyways,

Nihlism: subject of the chapter of the book which neo opens in his apartment in the first movie...get this: "the denial of any basis for knowledge or truth. the general rejection of customary beliefs in morality, religion, etc". Also: "the belief that there is no meaning or purpose in existence. the doctrine that existing social, political, and economic institutions must be completely destroyed in order to make way for new institutions".... quite an interesting very small bit that they put in the first movie. I noticed the chapter title while viewing the movie in the theater, but it's almost impossible to read on a regular sized home tv.

Oracle: derived from the latin word "oraculum", which means "divine anouncement". other definitions: "the medium by which deities are consulted."

finally, matrix: webster defines the word matrix as: 1.the womb. 2.that within which, or within and from which, something originates, takes form, or developes. There's a couple of other definitions as well...but whatever.

[slw240sx]

very good reading Smithsr i rather enjoyed that knowledge now lets see if any of those continue to hold true or if the movie may take after the texts

[[Zero-S]]

Nice take on things Smith, pretty sure you clarified some things for the lazy people who don't put the time into reading into things like that (or the busy ones that don't have the time;)).

[Eklectrick]

also, the numbers 1 and 3 appear a lot in correlation with Neo and Trinity respectively. I don't recall most of them right now, but neo's apartment number is significant in part one. I don't know if it happens at all in Reloaded.

slw240sx: Very good theories on Neo being a program. it supports Smith being able to exist in the mind of a real person. Maybe the annoying kid is the asian guy who was guarding the Oracle. wasn't it the annoying kid who gave neo the spoon saying it was from one of the orphan?

[C-Kwik]

I don't think he's a jesus figure at all. that is to say that the W bros intended no paralells between neo and Jesus. that would be too easy and is done to death in lots of movies. I think they are smarter than that. However, because of what he is, it is hard to avoid him being a savior figure to all those people, like jesus. Neo unlike jesus is not trying to expose these people to a new philosophy, or way of life, or teach them anything. Also, Jesus was very non violence while Neo will kick your a$$ if you get in his way. Finally, there are plenty of other "saviors" present in religion that you could easily point out similarities with.

I doubt that. My sister attended an religous school where they actually studied the matrix and it's references to God. I'm no religous expert, but just even a couple names in the movie already bring the religious undertones forward. Trinity. Or Devine Trinity, made up of God, Jesus Chrst and the Holy Spirit. Nebuchadnezzar. Now I know I've seen this in the Bible. Apoc. Apolcalypse. There's more. There was a site I ran across about a year ago that went in depth into this. Even Neo's name in the Matrix, Thomas A Anderson had some significance.

Woops I just noticed SmithSR's post.

But I would say Neo is strongly correlated with Jesus. Neo refers to something new. When Jesus came, it changed the religion so that all souls are in a sense "freed" if they chose to believe. The New testament of the Bible deals with Jesus. Neo can perform miracles. Stopping bullets, bringing a dead person(Trinity) back to life. He resurrected himself, cept it wasn't after 3 days.

I think the W bros are actually smarter because of this. They were able to integrate all these religious undertones and still have a great script and movie. This trilogy will be tough to beat.

[SmithSR]

yeah the first one begins with Trinity at that heart-o-the-city hotel room 303. Same room that Smith comes out of at the end sequence. Neo's apartment was of course 101.

an interesting side note: during Neo's "training" in the first movie, Tank says the most interesting thing:

"10 hours straight. He's a.. machine."

Perhaps a "Freudian slip"?? All is not what it seems...

[goshoryuken]

I'll be honest . .i'm a matrix freak . .but I didn't like it as much as the first. Yeah . .the fights were awesome . . but for some reason . .maybe cause I got used to it after a while . . or sometimes I felt like I already knew what was gonna happen . . well it was still better than all the other movies. I hpoe the third one is the best of all yet..

ps - that oracle lady needs some acting lessons . .I think she might have f'd up the movie with her bs, too long . .too stupid. I dont know about everyone but it doesn't take me 20 minutes to understand one aspect of the story . .and that might have been the problem right there . .since the move wanted to take its time and explain to all the newbs . . the whole . .intricate story and details . .it made us action people sit back and wait . . .. .

:ylsuper

[[Zero-S]]

I think the lady that plays the Oracle plays her role very well. The nice old lady that knows alot and teaches the kids the right way. She reminds me of a grandmother figure.

[RobDET]

first off... incase this is a rehash i didn't feel like reading all 100 pages. I like the nested matrix idea but it would be fesible that neo could just controll the baddies outside the matrix by thinking about them. The machines obviously are right in tune with human thought or else they couldn't have the matrix at all... Now the agens smith program leaves the matrix by entering a "REAL" human(assuming they aren't nested) so why wouldn't neo take a little matrix when he left? My 2 cents

Rob

[slw240sx]

yeah thats been brought up, neo is now functioning remotely while in the coma, and same with smith, both are programs, neo and smith wich alows them more power then the normal person entering the matrix through the construct!

[RobDET]

Perhaps Neo is where we all have our superman dreams... And the dreams with the hot chics in black latex boots.... nevermind!

I think that Neo probibly isn't 100% a program. Probilby more like his mind accepted the code and made it it's own. Perhaps the "instability" manafests itself also in people who are telepathic or have wierd abilities... I'll bet Extra hotness is a flaw too (in the matrix code that is)... funny... then selma hayak would just be a rounding error... NO i don't like that theory at all :rolleyes

unless you can get a game shark for the matrix... then turn up "Hotness" on that chic down the street with "Good Personality"

Rob

[Woodmister]

I saw the movie 2wice, it was pretty cool, cant wait for the next one to come out. Some parts were kinda werd, but its just cool. You guys are talking about his movie right?

[slw240sx]

yo send that to me!!! my copy got stolen today damn guy i borrowd it off of decide he was goin to take it back when i was sleepin, now i got to go bust his arse .

[Woodmister]

One word Kazaa Lite, only the 2nd part works good, the first one is corrupt, and the second gets stuck at parts. I'll have to wait for someone to fix the glitches with a new video and post it...

[SilviaLuvr]

IT DOSENT END!!!!!!!!!

[slw240sx]

ive downloaded off kaza three or four times for that movie and always get some other lame arse long movie, like shaving ryans privates, or scary movie

[Woodmister]

Part 2 has this for a file name: [TMD]Matrix.Reloaded.(ESO).TS.(2of2)

[[Zero-S]]

Part one is the same except instead of (2 of 2) it says (1 of 2). And the quality on that bootleg is awful, I'll just go see it in the theaters again.

[Eklectrick]

I don't know where to find them exactly, but there are lists that exist where you can check for exact filenames and filesizes for things you download off of kazaa so you know your getting exactly what you expect.

[slw240sx]

ahh we got a store here on the westside that sells quality bootlegs, but yah gota know a brotha to get into them.. luckily i have a friend thats friends with all of em over there

[JESTER]

How much can you get a copy for?????

I promise not to rat you to the FBI when they come asking.

[LaureltheQueen]

I'm getting the Two Towers VCD tomorrow. I'm stoked!

[Eklectrick]

Bah! VCD's don't do movies of this calibur any justice.

[Woodmister]

Actually, real VCDs are very good better than VHS, less then better then DVD. There still ight with me yo...