I would be there to assist her 
The matrix has you...
Mmm wasn't she nice? She definitely got Trinity pissed, the cleavage on that French girl was amazing. The actress is actually Italian in real life I heard.
Anyone make anything of the guy who tried to assassinate Neo with that knife before they got back on their ship? Then the bright-eyed annoying character screamed "Neo" and got the group's attention before the guy could act. I think that happened directly after what looked like an agent beaming down to Zion? Like maybe the agents had possessed that guy or paid him to assassinate Neo?
And did anyone manage to flip upside down to see who is on the table opposite Neo at the end? I don't know if it was Smith or not.
Overall, it looks like those brothers who wrote the Matrix have read their bible. When Morpheus was speaking to the citizens of Zion, I thought he was gonna bust out two tablets with 10 commandments on them. Just looking at the names, Morpheus... Moses... And the gift offerings to Neo, the lady asking him to bless her baby, the Jesus analogy was undeniable. And colonel sanders is God, the creator, the architecht, and heaven is full of TV screens. How bout that one screen that had Neo swearing "**** your mother!" That got a laugh.
Anyone make anything of the guy who tried to assassinate Neo with that knife before they got back on their ship? Then the bright-eyed annoying character screamed "Neo" and got the group's attention before the guy could act. I think that happened directly after what looked like an agent beaming down to Zion? Like maybe the agents had possessed that guy or paid him to assassinate Neo?
And did anyone manage to flip upside down to see who is on the table opposite Neo at the end? I don't know if it was Smith or not.
Overall, it looks like those brothers who wrote the Matrix have read their bible. When Morpheus was speaking to the citizens of Zion, I thought he was gonna bust out two tablets with 10 commandments on them. Just looking at the names, Morpheus... Moses... And the gift offerings to Neo, the lady asking him to bless her baby, the Jesus analogy was undeniable. And colonel sanders is God, the creator, the architecht, and heaven is full of TV screens. How bout that one screen that had Neo swearing "**** your mother!" That got a laugh.
TrueSlide wrote:The "real" world has to be another matrix then!!! How the freak could a computer still posses someone even after they unplugged? Maybe??
Exactly. Hence the whole "matrix within a matrix" theory. How else do you explain Smith getting into the "real world?" He infested the guys brain and took over his thought processes? I don't think so. The Wachoski brothers made a good sci-fi movie, not a retarded, far-fetched, sci-fi movie.
Nick.
yeah also how'd neo stop the sentinel outside the matrix? It's GOTTA be another matrix underneath, just designed differently to appease the abnormalities that the program (choice, I guess?) naturally produces.
I dont understand, though, why the matrix creators are spending so much effort to destroy zion and fight against the people who broke free, etc. If the "real" world is just another matrix, why not just let it be untill the population gets too much and then just *reset* it to whatever they want... I donno whatever...
There are a bunch of things that I need to work out in my head:
1. The whole predestination bit: (from the oracle "you've already made the choice, now you just have to understand why"). Are the creators (of the movie) really ACTUALLY willing to accept that everything is predestined, or maybe only within the matrix are those choices predetermined...
2. Smith- not sure what he is/became yet. A virus sounds like a good possability, but I dont see how that's really important. If he's just a virus then he's nothing more than a nusance that will dissapear along with the matrix. The fact that he was able to turn that other dude into an evil dude in the "real" world either says he's really powerful or supports the "double matrix" theory.
3. The discussions about "control" with the old councelor guy in Zion. That had to have a greater point- about needing eachother and whatnot (the machines need us to live, but we need them as well- that stuff). That's gotta be relevant somehow. How do neo and morpheus and all the rest NEED the matrix? Thats yet to be answered.
Just some things to think about, sorry for the long post.
I dont understand, though, why the matrix creators are spending so much effort to destroy zion and fight against the people who broke free, etc. If the "real" world is just another matrix, why not just let it be untill the population gets too much and then just *reset* it to whatever they want... I donno whatever...
There are a bunch of things that I need to work out in my head:
1. The whole predestination bit: (from the oracle "you've already made the choice, now you just have to understand why"). Are the creators (of the movie) really ACTUALLY willing to accept that everything is predestined, or maybe only within the matrix are those choices predetermined...
2. Smith- not sure what he is/became yet. A virus sounds like a good possability, but I dont see how that's really important. If he's just a virus then he's nothing more than a nusance that will dissapear along with the matrix. The fact that he was able to turn that other dude into an evil dude in the "real" world either says he's really powerful or supports the "double matrix" theory.
3. The discussions about "control" with the old councelor guy in Zion. That had to have a greater point- about needing eachother and whatnot (the machines need us to live, but we need them as well- that stuff). That's gotta be relevant somehow. How do neo and morpheus and all the rest NEED the matrix? Thats yet to be answered.
Just some things to think about, sorry for the long post.
Colonel Sanders is not god...he is a god like figure (in the fact that he has immense power) who could be more accurately described as Satan. So far an actual god figure has not been introduced (dont say morpheous...Neo is now more powerful than him). Neo is obviously a Jesus figure and as for Agent Smith, I'm not certain about him yet. I do buy into the two matrix theory though, its the most logical explanation for Smith copying into the "real world" and for Neo noticing that "something is different, I can feel them." Finally, did anyone notice the guardian of the oracle weilding two guns (looked like desert eagle's but it was too short to really tell) and looking completely badass in the preview for revolutions? He's going to have a part and I think it'll be pretty good. Someone else said something about the oracle not actually predicting the future...well she doesnt, she merely guides people on a predestined path. I think Neo is going to break the cycle of predestination in the third movie, in fact he might have done it as someone else said when he saved Trinity...which pleases me greatly because I think I would cry if she died...Carrie Anne Moss is just WAY too good looking in leather to ever die.
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I don't think neo is "supposed" to be a jesus figure, or analagus(sp?) to jesus, but they used him in the scene with all those people waiting for him to show that even outside of the matrix, people still need someone or something to look up to. They never lost their faith in something greater than themselves. I thought it interesting that there were a lot of people dressed in different religious garb, I saw buddist, hindu, muslum, etc. and they were all asking something of neo
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Okay, my new theory.
Neo is the one. But not the One the Matrix expected. Sanders is just figuring in the odds of ones poping up in the matrix. He is the one that the profecy proclaimed. In the first movie, the Oracle told him he had the gift but was waiting for something. Hince that there had been other ones that were not meant to be the "one" from the profecy.
The oracles job is basicly to play both sides. Her purpose for the Matrix and Sanders is to guide the ones to the point of getting them to the meeting with Sanders so he can make the choice. This is what she has been doing. Until now they all chose the wrong path to be the true one from the profecy.
But I am still not totally sure if she is really helping NEO or the Matrix. Why would she help the Humans? So they can destroy the Matrix and her along with it?
The fact that he is the one, might explain the powers. He is sort of taken as a Christ personallity. I am starting to belive that the double matrix is a not true. These people play in the matrix all teh time. They would certainly be able to tell, by their own abilitys in and out of the matrix. Heck Morphious should have thought that one up long ago. You know, just be sitting around drunk one day, what if I am in another matrix. And started doing some matrix kung fu moves, to see what happens.
Anyway, I am tired of thinking. I am going to go do some work.
Neo is the one. But not the One the Matrix expected. Sanders is just figuring in the odds of ones poping up in the matrix. He is the one that the profecy proclaimed. In the first movie, the Oracle told him he had the gift but was waiting for something. Hince that there had been other ones that were not meant to be the "one" from the profecy.
The oracles job is basicly to play both sides. Her purpose for the Matrix and Sanders is to guide the ones to the point of getting them to the meeting with Sanders so he can make the choice. This is what she has been doing. Until now they all chose the wrong path to be the true one from the profecy.
But I am still not totally sure if she is really helping NEO or the Matrix. Why would she help the Humans? So they can destroy the Matrix and her along with it?
The fact that he is the one, might explain the powers. He is sort of taken as a Christ personallity. I am starting to belive that the double matrix is a not true. These people play in the matrix all teh time. They would certainly be able to tell, by their own abilitys in and out of the matrix. Heck Morphious should have thought that one up long ago. You know, just be sitting around drunk one day, what if I am in another matrix. And started doing some matrix kung fu moves, to see what happens.
Anyway, I am tired of thinking. I am going to go do some work.
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Jester, when the Oracle told Neo that, Neo asked what? Then She said, "I Don't know, your next life maybe." Neo died in the first one, and then came back to life. When he did, he was the one. Because of that, I doubt that has anything to do with what is going on ins Reloaded.
The Oracle does not help the humans. She is just a part of the program that manipulates the humans so that they respond the same way as they did before. Think of the conversation she had with Neo in the first Matrix. She tells Neo not to worry about the vase. He turns and knocks it over. He says sorry. She says not to worry about it. Then she says something to the effect of, what's really going to bug him is if he would have knocked it over if she hadn't had said anything. If you think about that one line alone, it clearly shows how something she says can manipulate Neo with an exact predicted response. It really sets the stage for what Neo is told in Reloaded. And up until Neo meets the Architect, the Oracle still lets him believe she is there to help the humans.
As far as the previous 'One's' making the wrong choice before, how do we know all the other ones did not make the same choice to save Trinity. Perhaps it was another manipulation...gotta think outside the box.
As far as the Matrix within the Matrix, it's hard to conceive that. It's not like it's easy for anyone to accept the truth after they were saved from the first Matrix. AS far as doing their special abilities within the 2nd Matrix, if they don't believe they can defy certain rules of the Matrix, they can't do them. They must release all doubt, fear...free their minds, if you will.
I've come to believe that even the title brings us to the double Matrix theory. Initially, it almost sounds like it has to do with reloading Ammo. But perhaps, it's that the Matrix program was reloaded. There's a bit of Duality in it's meaning. Subtle, yet, after watching it, it takes on a different meaning to me....
The Oracle does not help the humans. She is just a part of the program that manipulates the humans so that they respond the same way as they did before. Think of the conversation she had with Neo in the first Matrix. She tells Neo not to worry about the vase. He turns and knocks it over. He says sorry. She says not to worry about it. Then she says something to the effect of, what's really going to bug him is if he would have knocked it over if she hadn't had said anything. If you think about that one line alone, it clearly shows how something she says can manipulate Neo with an exact predicted response. It really sets the stage for what Neo is told in Reloaded. And up until Neo meets the Architect, the Oracle still lets him believe she is there to help the humans.
As far as the previous 'One's' making the wrong choice before, how do we know all the other ones did not make the same choice to save Trinity. Perhaps it was another manipulation...gotta think outside the box.
As far as the Matrix within the Matrix, it's hard to conceive that. It's not like it's easy for anyone to accept the truth after they were saved from the first Matrix. AS far as doing their special abilities within the 2nd Matrix, if they don't believe they can defy certain rules of the Matrix, they can't do them. They must release all doubt, fear...free their minds, if you will.
I've come to believe that even the title brings us to the double Matrix theory. Initially, it almost sounds like it has to do with reloading Ammo. But perhaps, it's that the Matrix program was reloaded. There's a bit of Duality in it's meaning. Subtle, yet, after watching it, it takes on a different meaning to me....
Ya, they could be stuck in another matrix and not know it. Look at all the ppl in the matrix we are used to seeing in the movie, they have no idea. Like someone mentioned earlier, could be another matrix, coded different into fooling our "heros" into thinking they are free. This movie is awesome!!! Hehe
C-kwik...the other Neo's chose to save humanity but this Neo chose to save Trinity...before the other Neo's have just had a strong love for humanity but this one chose someone "outside" the matrix to fall in love with which changes everything. EVERYONE should check out: http://www.corporatemofo.com/s...x.htm it has more on the Neo as a Jesus figure thing. I still think he is, there are too many correlations for it to be an accident.
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what if neo's powers in the real world are some kind of dorment ability all humans have, that have been subdued (sp?) by the matrix and having your brain washed for so long. maybe what neo does in the matrix is what everyone should be able to do in real life. you just need to "free your mind" before you can do it. something happend to neo when he made the choice to save trinity, maybe he was freed from the matrix cuz in essence it died when he chose to save trinity. remember, he went into a coma after he took down the squiddies. that shouldn't have happened if he was just exorcising his powers in a second matrix.
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So, the oracle sent Neo to go see the French guy who writes code/controls the ghosts/vampires/warewolves, etc...all the stuff which could be described as gliches/viruses/randomly inserted code, or the like...the oracle talked about briefly.
From her position as a part of the matrix, she could guide Neo to the French guy, who was controlling/holding the Key guy(coolest guy ever, having a Ducati 996 key handy). Was the oracle unable to tell neo where to find the key maker? Or was it part of her programming to put Neo in a position to fight (and maybe lose??)with the various bad guys under the control of the French guy?? Or did she send him to the French guy for a purpose that I'm missing?? Could she not, from her position in the Matrix, give the location of the key maker?
I am also questioning the real world if it is also another matrix, and the couselor guy(not the KFC guy) was explaining to neo the need for humans to depend on machines. And also the choice necessary to stop the machines, and how the counselor denounced Neo's idea of shutting down the machines, then the life in Zion would die(no heat, water, air). His example of how he doesn't understand how the water filtration system works, but he is certain it is necessary to sustain life is a good example to me of how he is another code in the matrix designed to guide neo's choices.
From her position as a part of the matrix, she could guide Neo to the French guy, who was controlling/holding the Key guy(coolest guy ever, having a Ducati 996 key handy). Was the oracle unable to tell neo where to find the key maker? Or was it part of her programming to put Neo in a position to fight (and maybe lose??)with the various bad guys under the control of the French guy?? Or did she send him to the French guy for a purpose that I'm missing?? Could she not, from her position in the Matrix, give the location of the key maker?
I am also questioning the real world if it is also another matrix, and the couselor guy(not the KFC guy) was explaining to neo the need for humans to depend on machines. And also the choice necessary to stop the machines, and how the counselor denounced Neo's idea of shutting down the machines, then the life in Zion would die(no heat, water, air). His example of how he doesn't understand how the water filtration system works, but he is certain it is necessary to sustain life is a good example to me of how he is another code in the matrix designed to guide neo's choices.
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Yeah you got it. Like put yourself in the position of an rpg character, while someone else is controlling you.I can apply this to the matrix (I'm having weird random thoughts right now..so I'm pretty sure I can pull this off). Think of the matrix as a game. Now think of the people in the matrix as characters in the game. What if (woo my weird train of thought again) there was an outside force controlling the people in the matrix--making them do what the outside force wants them to do. (Of course this wouldn't work for those not hardlined to the system)EDIT: And at first it had nothing to do with the matrix, I was just asking.
