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I dont need to drive them both, I've already seen the numbers. stock 370Z does a 13.3 in the 1/4 mile. 08coupe or what ever his screen name was had a dark slate 3.5se 6 speed with the turbo kit from that white altima coupe at the SEMA show a couple years ago and he did 12's in the 1/4 mile. doing 12's is quicker then doing mid to low 13's.... I agree that the 370z has more potential BUT a stock 370z can't win against a boosted 3.5se A/C 6 speed UNLESS the A/C driver was the worst driver in the history of cars or the tires were horrible and couldnt grip anything[/quote]

get those numbers then we can have another conversation orr get ur car boosted then we can go to the track and find out...

:bs:

I love turtles even more


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:worthless:

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i like turtles too. esp crush from finding nemo.

in all honesty- if i was offered a sponsorship from SFR (ahem- lol) I would still take it, and if i had to do more prepwork, i'd be mechanically inclined to do most of it myself. which i've done before. but... that needs to come to a specific decision from high up from the sponsorship gods and/or the kit itself. anywho-


aftermarket clutch? ;D

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Loop wrote::worthless:
This should do it: http://bestofepicfail.com/

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Turtle Power!

Seriously though, the more I read this thread, the more it reeks of hearsay. No one is going to win this argument without posting factual evidence.

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^^ which is why id like to break the water and im showing interest in this. PROOF ftw :) and a lil boost benefit :P

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Most of my points is proven, although not 100% yet with the IM. But as of now, its showing it...Oh can he please just shut me up already with pictures of this so called released IM. Taking pictures does not take long to take and upload.

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trayharrell951 wrote:quote]


I dont need to drive them both, I've already seen the numbers. stock 370Z does a 13.3 in the 1/4 mile. 08coupe or what ever his screen name was had a dark slate 3.5se 6 speed with the turbo kit from that white altima coupe at the SEMA show a couple years ago and he did 12's in the 1/4 mile. doing 12's is quicker then doing mid to low 13's.... I agree that the 370z has more potential BUT a stock 370z can't win against a boosted 3.5se A/C 6 speed UNLESS the A/C driver was the worst driver in the history of cars or the tires were horrible and couldnt grip anything
get those numbers then we can have another conversation orr get ur car boosted then we can go to the track and find out...

:bs:

I love turtles even more[/quote]

I have a CVT

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trayharrell951 wrote:no i dont need to listen. You can only base your opinion on assumptions not based on actual results. CVT transmission is crap as we all know and i hope to God nissan does something about that transmission. Thats the main reason why I got rid of my altima and got the z.
trayharrell951 wrote:do your research. its not added hp its hp to the wheels. totally two different things.. I drove the altima 3.5 turbo 6 speed. Great car especially with the old 350z engine in it. You guys need to stop saying ohh it would win against the 370z. Have your guys driven the 370z and a boosted 3.5. Theres like one other guy l33th41 on the forum that has driven both. Nevertheless his car was cvt.


Assumptions? I drove a boosted alti for more than 6 months and you drove one once? I've now owned my Z for a month today and while I love the car, I can say with 100% certainty that my boosted altima was quicker.

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l33th41 wrote:
trayharrell951 wrote:no i dont need to listen. You can only base your opinion on assumptions not based on actual results. CVT transmission is crap as we all know and i hope to God nissan does something about that transmission. Thats the main reason why I got rid of my altima and got the z.
trayharrell951 wrote:do your research. its not added hp its hp to the wheels. totally two different things.. I drove the altima 3.5 turbo 6 speed. Great car especially with the old 350z engine in it. You guys need to stop saying ohh it would win against the 370z. Have your guys driven the 370z and a boosted 3.5. Theres like one other guy l33th41 on the forum that has driven both. Nevertheless his car was cvt.


Assumptions? I drove a boosted alti for more than 6 months and you drove one once? I've now owned my Z for a month today and while I love the car, I can say with 100% certainty that my boosted altima was quicker.
lol why are you guys arguing on the boosted altima vs 370z. There's nothing that can stop an altima from being faster than a Z, I'm sure with enough money you can have an altima that's faster than a boosted Z as well... I'm sure none of us bought the Z because it's the fastest car out there, there are many reasons why a Z is a good buy and I don't think it has anything to do with having the "fastest car" because lets be honest, there are cars that can yield you 100 whp gains with just boltons.

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toxik wrote:lol why are you guys arguing on the boosted altima vs 370z. There's nothing that can stop an altima from being faster than a Z, I'm sure with enough money you can have an altima that's faster than a boosted Z as well... I'm sure none of us bought the Z because it's the fastest car out there, there are many reasons why a Z is a good buy and I don't think it has anything to do with having the "fastest car" because lets be honest, there are cars that can yield you 100 whp gains with just boltons.
Whos arguing? I'm the only one here who can give perspective as an owner of both vehicles about this topic - a topic that doesn't even belong here. :gapteeth:
As for the SFR bashing, Tim always took care of whatever I needed, albeit a little bit slower than I would of liked at times. Although I'm sure I can blame Ricky for taking all of Tim's time. :chuckle:

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hahaha! Nice one loop.

Like I said before, SFR = take your money worry about you later!

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Has anyone seen SFR?

Loop, did you get him booted like (I think) you did that D#1 Status dude who also said he wasnt advertising or trying to sell product?

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Loop,


It will do not good for me to continue to argue with you. You can think what you want and you can continue to belittle me.I dont really car. I have dealt with people like you in the past. We build bad a** parts...Its as simple as that. Our twin turbo system for the Supra holds the world record for horsepower at 1726WHP and the car its on holds the record for the standing 1/4 mile in Texas.Our 350Z twin turbo holds the record for daily driven Z's at 896WHP. A subaru land speed car we helped build holds the land speed record for its class.I have built 1000WHP,Supras,Z's,G's,Bmws and a few others.What have oyu done for the car community in genral except run your mouth?????

I can out build,out fabricate and out tune YOU.There is just no match,you can type all you want...... but how about I put up $1000 that says I wil beat you in every one of these aspects and make you look like a preschooler when it comes to cars and your knowledge about them.You name the time and place and I will be there to make parts from scratch with my own hands while you fiddle with your thumbs,then I will install these parts on the car while you are trying to figure out what wrench to use.And then I will throw it on the dyno and tune it to its maximum potential while your figuring out how to load the tuning software on your laptop. So what do you say Loop? You have any balls? Or do you just have balls sitting behind your computer talking crap? You want to take my $1000 and prove to everyone what you are insinuating about me is true????? Cause that all it is is an insinuation!

You have no skills or knowledge about the car you drive. You might have installed your own cat-back and Racing line strut bar but have you ever dropped the motor, pulled the heads, ported them and put everything back together? Have you ever installed a turbo system on one of these cars?? Or how about a Sentra...Ill keep it simple. Or what about a Skyline R32,33 or 34? What about a Z or a Z, Have you ever tuned one of those Nissans? Have you ever popped open the ECU and replaced a bad injector driver when your customer was in a pinch at 11pm at night (you can ask Addidastogo[Blake] about this because we did it for him). Have you ever done anything for this community except for express your opinion on some new bolt-on part? Becuase I have looked through many of oyur replies and you are just downright mean to people.That is the only way to describe it. Peopel are asking simple questions cause they dont know about things and you just flame the crap out of them.It is ridiculous and to think peopel respect you for that???? LOL.

As far as the Altima intake manifold goes.....Ill post pics soon enough.I think I will wait a bit for more derogatroy posts.It would be nice to see at least 100 more and then when I do post up pictures and dyno proven results,the people that decided to partake in the lynch mob will realize they made a mistake:biggrin:

And finally....an apology from me to all forum members who just want to see some new parts for your cars and have a definite interest in this and the turbo systems we do as well as some of the other parts we carry for your vehicles. I didnt want this to get ugly but obviously, this guy Loop is be extremely derogatory and at this point libelous and slanderous. I have been in the biz too long and have done way to many great things to just sit here and not give any kind of response.So there it is.Sorry if it is out of line but after Loops most recents posts,I think it was very deserving.

Oh and for you Mr.Loop.....My next post with be al Nissan for you my friend. And people cann actually see all the bad a** Nissans we have built. So c'mon Loop what do you have now?????? Gonna keep trying to discredit me? Oh and if you want Call Jim Wolf Technology and ask them about me and our shop. I think everyone would agree that JWT are Nissan Gurus and they dont assoicate with Shady shops.

Tim

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If you guys think we dont know Nissans.....Then have a look here!

http://speedforceracing.net/random/loopsanass/

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speedforceracing wrote:If you guys think we dont know Nissans.....Then have a look here!

http://speedforceracing.net/random/loopsanass/
i love the directory name :biggrin: lol sorry loop!

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There he is...

Has anyone seen Loop?

I am thoroughly enjoying this thread...

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DJBeasy wrote:There he is...

Has anyone seen Loop?

I am thoroughly enjoying this thread...

Yeah Loop.Where are you? You want to take my money??? Up for the challenge????? Lets see what you got Mr.Nissan-Altima-super-member-of-Nico-forums-who-looks-out-for-every-one-while-bashing-them-at-the-same-time!

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DJBeasy wrote:There he is...

Has anyone seen Loop?

I am thoroughly enjoying this thread...
completely agreed, ive been on this forum probably an extra... 30 % purely because of this, nothing like a controversial thread to boost up the forums! lol

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Lol agreed. This is like a must read thread haha! I seriously wanna know who wins :X

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Yeah its threads like these that invigorate people.I mean I am sure Loop is "looking" out for the guys on the forums....but he is doing it in a very uncivil manner and he is barking up the wrong tree.If I really new nothing.........then more power to him.But I do know a hell of alot more then him when it comes to Nissans and cars in general.From basic engine building/machining to parts fabrication to EMS tuning. And If I am going to get called out and BE CALLED A CROOK ON A PUBLIC FORUM THEN I AM GOING TO COME BACK SWINGING! And if you guys want to see some fun stuff, I can post a link to a 66' Mini Copper with turbo Hyabusa motor that I tuned yesterday! LOL.

Tim
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Aftermarket clutch.

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speedforceracing wrote:Loop,


It will do not good for me to continue to argue with you. You can think what you want and you can continue to belittle me.I dont really car. I have dealt with people like you in the past. We build bad a** parts...Its as simple as that. Our twin turbo system for the Supra holds the world record for horsepower at 1726WHP and the car its on holds the record for the standing 1/4 mile in Texas.Our 350Z twin turbo holds the record for daily driven Z's at 896WHP. A subaru land speed car we helped build holds the land speed record for its class.I have built 1000WHP,Supras,Z's,G's,Bmws and a few others.What have oyu done for the car community in genral except run your mouth?????

I can out build,out fabricate and out tune YOU.There is just no match,you can type all you want...... but how about I put up $1000 that says I wil beat you in every one of these aspects and make you look like a preschooler when it comes to cars and your knowledge about them.You name the time and place and I will be there to make parts from scratch with my own hands while you fiddle with your thumbs,then I will install these parts on the car while you are trying to figure out what wrench to use.And then I will throw it on the dyno and tune it to its maximum potential while your figuring out how to load the tuning software on your laptop. So what do you say Loop? You have any balls? Or do you just have balls sitting behind your computer talking crap? You want to take my $1000 and prove to everyone what you are insinuating about me is true????? Cause that all it is is an insinuation!

You have no skills or knowledge about the car you drive. You might have installed your own cat-back and Racing line strut bar but have you ever dropped the motor, pulled the heads, ported them and put everything back together? Have you ever installed a turbo system on one of these cars?? Or how about a Sentra...Ill keep it simple. Or what about a Skyline R32,33 or 34? What about a Z or a Z, Have you ever tuned one of those Nissans? Have you ever popped open the ECU and replaced a bad injector driver when your customer was in a pinch at 11pm at night (you can ask Addidastogo[Blake] about this because we did it for him). Have you ever done anything for this community except for express your opinion on some new bolt-on part? Becuase I have looked through many of oyur replies and you are just downright mean to people.That is the only way to describe it. Peopel are asking simple questions cause they dont know about things and you just flame the crap out of them.It is ridiculous and to think peopel respect you for that???? LOL.

As far as the Altima intake manifold goes.....Ill post pics soon enough.I think I will wait a bit for more derogatroy posts.It would be nice to see at least 100 more and then when I do post up pictures and dyno proven results,the people that decided to partake in the lynch mob will realize they made a mistake:biggrin:

And finally....an apology from me to all forum members who just want to see some new parts for your cars and have a definite interest in this and the turbo systems we do as well as some of the other parts we carry for your vehicles. I didnt want this to get ugly but obviously, this guy Loop is be extremely derogatory and at this point libelous and slanderous. I have been in the biz too long and have done way to many great things to just sit here and not give any kind of response.So there it is.Sorry if it is out of line but after Loops most recents posts,I think it was very deserving.

Oh and for you Mr.Loop.....My next post with be al Nissan for you my friend. And people cann actually see all the bad a** Nissans we have built. So c'mon Loop what do you have now?????? Gonna keep trying to discredit me? Oh and if you want Call Jim Wolf Technology and ask them about me and our shop. I think everyone would agree that JWT are Nissan Gurus and they dont assoicate with Shady shops.

Tim
Stop posting irrelevant comments to back up your company. Nor have I questioned about what you specialize in. Nor have I said I specialize in any of the areas you work in. So please stop going off tangent. All you are doing is being defensive and looking foolish at the sametime. You have yet to still back up your first post. You keep going on with these excuses of saying soon enough, we will test it out..This is what I have been going after you from the start. Stick to the topic already..

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QR25DE wrote:Aftermarket clutch.

I think it is something we might be able to help you with.We just had a aftermarket clutch made for a 2009 Sentra with 1.8L MR engine that we turboed. We needed something to handle the 420WHP we got out of that little engine!

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so what does the install cost for FI... after the parts and everything? i know it can be hard to calculate every detail, but do you have a ball park figure?

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Loop wrote:
speedforceracing wrote:Loop,


It will do not good for me to continue to argue with you. You can think what you want and you can continue to belittle me.I dont really car. I have dealt with people like you in the past. We build bad a** parts...Its as simple as that. Our twin turbo system for the Supra holds the world record for horsepower at 1726WHP and the car its on holds the record for the standing 1/4 mile in Texas.Our 350Z twin turbo holds the record for daily driven Z's at 896WHP. A subaru land speed car we helped build holds the land speed record for its class.I have built 1000WHP,Supras,Z's,G's,Bmws and a few others.What have oyu done for the car community in genral except run your mouth?????

I can out build,out fabricate and out tune YOU.There is just no match,you can type all you want...... but how about I put up $1000 that says I wil beat you in every one of these aspects and make you look like a preschooler when it comes to cars and your knowledge about them.You name the time and place and I will be there to make parts from scratch with my own hands while you fiddle with your thumbs,then I will install these parts on the car while you are trying to figure out what wrench to use.And then I will throw it on the dyno and tune it to its maximum potential while your figuring out how to load the tuning software on your laptop. So what do you say Loop? You have any balls? Or do you just have balls sitting behind your computer talking crap? You want to take my $1000 and prove to everyone what you are insinuating about me is true????? Cause that all it is is an insinuation!

You have no skills or knowledge about the car you drive. You might have installed your own cat-back and Racing line strut bar but have you ever dropped the motor, pulled the heads, ported them and put everything back together? Have you ever installed a turbo system on one of these cars?? Or how about a Sentra...Ill keep it simple. Or what about a Skyline R32,33 or 34? What about a Z or a Z, Have you ever tuned one of those Nissans? Have you ever popped open the ECU and replaced a bad injector driver when your customer was in a pinch at 11pm at night (you can ask Addidastogo[Blake] about this because we did it for him). Have you ever done anything for this community except for express your opinion on some new bolt-on part? Becuase I have looked through many of oyur replies and you are just downright mean to people.That is the only way to describe it. Peopel are asking simple questions cause they dont know about things and you just flame the crap out of them.It is ridiculous and to think peopel respect you for that???? LOL.

As far as the Altima intake manifold goes.....Ill post pics soon enough.I think I will wait a bit for more derogatroy posts.It would be nice to see at least 100 more and then when I do post up pictures and dyno proven results,the people that decided to partake in the lynch mob will realize they made a mistake:biggrin:

And finally....an apology from me to all forum members who just want to see some new parts for your cars and have a definite interest in this and the turbo systems we do as well as some of the other parts we carry for your vehicles. I didnt want this to get ugly but obviously, this guy Loop is be extremely derogatory and at this point libelous and slanderous. I have been in the biz too long and have done way to many great things to just sit here and not give any kind of response.So there it is.Sorry if it is out of line but after Loops most recents posts,I think it was very deserving.

Oh and for you Mr.Loop.....My next post with be al Nissan for you my friend. And people cann actually see all the bad a** Nissans we have built. So c'mon Loop what do you have now?????? Gonna keep trying to discredit me? Oh and if you want Call Jim Wolf Technology and ask them about me and our shop. I think everyone would agree that JWT are Nissan Gurus and they dont assoicate with Shady shops.

Tim
Stop posting irrelevant comments to back up your company. Nor have I questioned about what you specialize in. Nor have I said I specialize in any of the areas you work in. So please stop going off tangent. All you are doing is being defensive and looking foolish at the sametime. You have yet to still back up your first post. You keep going on with these excuses of saying soon enough, we will test it out..This is what I have been going after you from the start. Stick to the topic already..

You have chosen to personally attack myself and my company.So what I posted is relevant....now! What do you expect me to do? And because of you...I will hold back some of the information I have about this intake manifold, the headers,y-pipe and some other products we have been developing for these cars inparticular. And I will indeed sponser this forum now if Greg would like our business!


I dont need to sell these intake manifolds right now or anytime soon to stay in business and make money. Honestly...I could care less if we sell any of them as we have so many other products people are buying we are swamped with work. But I do take offense when a company who is trying to make YOUR car better......gets attacked for no real reason. I mean step back for a second and look at your responses! I mean dude, you are one mean motherf**ker. Seriously. I have been on the internet forums for as long as they have been online and I have only come across a couple people who have rivaled you in terms of being so viscious! I could understand if I killed oyur dog,stole your girlfrnd or beat you up.Then it would be warranted.But you are bringing up things liek my buddy bought a turbo kit for another application and it didnt fit his application.So you guys suck.Or you are bringing up one of our good customers Rickys six speed swap that has taken a bit too long but for good reasons.I mean honeslty,people should not judge our company off of these things and yet this is the only thing you have to support your case that we are a bad company who rips people off.It is ludicrous!

Tim

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big_rig wrote:so what does the install cost for FI... after the parts and everything? i know it can be hard to calculate every detail, but do you have a ball park figure?

Pm me for details.

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speedforceracing wrote:You have chosen to personally attack myself and my company.So what I posted is relevant....now! What do you expect me to do? And because of you...I will hold back some of the information I have about this intake manifold, the headers,y-pipe and some other products we have been developing for these cars inparticular. And I will indeed sponser this forum now if Greg would like our business!


I dont need to sell these intake manifolds right now or anytime soon to stay in business and make money. Honestly...I could care less if we sell any of them as we have so many other products people are buying we are swamped with work. But I do take offense when a company who is trying to make YOUR car better......gets attacked for no real reason. I mean step back for a second and look at your responses! I mean dude, you are one mean motherf**ker. Seriously. I have been on the internet forums for as long as they have been online and I have only come across a couple people who have rivaled you in terms of being so viscious! I could understand if I killed oyur dog,stole your girlfrnd or beat you up.Then it would be warranted.But you are bringing up things liek my buddy bought a turbo kit for another application and it didnt fit his application.So you guys suck.Or you are bringing up one of our good customers Rickys six speed swap that has taken a bit too long but for good reasons.I mean honeslty,people should not judge our company off of these things and yet this is the only thing you have to support your case that we are a bad company who rips people off.It is ludicrous!

Tim
Oh god, please someone help him. You are still clueless as I can tell. I stand by all the comments I have said til you back up what you came here intentionally in the first place.

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LOL once again explains why I dont post on altima forum...full of bashing and so much bandwagons.
The guy is trying to make products and ppl r bashing...yea they took awhile to get that guys car boosted but is that your problem? cuz the guy whos actually getting the car boosted doesnt seem to mind.
loop or anybody else who like to 'bash' ppl, come talk in gen. chat. thats where its at.
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