S Series Revival. Make a Petition to Carlos Ghosn.

[sicride]

ok not gonna lie I didn't read nearly all of this thread, might later... but I got SICK of all the highschool kids who know nothing about the automobile market except that they like horsepower.

In order to sell a S16 and not hurt the 350z. It'd have to do two things, out-perform it's competition (Solstice, Miata) and be a different performance standard than a 350z.

Make a longer chasis than both Solstice and Miata's so people can actually fit in it, and it wont be as twitchy.

Use the QR25DE SpecV engine from 2007 as a base engine.

Make the QR25DET with lower compression (9.5:1) or so and about 240hp. Keeping it out of the market of the 350z and competitive with Solstice but with a real engine. Also put this in the Spec V of 2010 not the SE-R.

RWD with LSD standard!

2+2 for sure, hatchback!!!! retro styling (though not like S's more like old 240z's).

AND most of all have NISMO support available and advertised BEFORE the release of the S16. NOT JUST INTAKES/EXHAUST/SWAY BARS and SHIFT KNOBS.

OH BASE model price needs to be about $18,500-19,000. with a SE-R (QR25DET model) base at $21-22,000. BASE being a stripped model with no AC, NO power windows/door locks, 2 speaker radio. but most produced as around $24-26k range with regular modern day options.

[White Comet]

imo the only way a new S could work and not hurt the Z is if it was, rwd, NA, and it focused on being light weight, good braking power, and handling like it was on rails oh and def factory lsd

[sicride]

car's arent' light now adays.. End of story, if they are to be light.. the 350z HAS that market but 2 passenger. They need a 4 passenger RWD platform. It will be heavier, and it will be less powerful. Like I said about 240hp vs what will be a 380z soon enough with 320 or so hp. But at 3200lbs or so it'll still be quick and handle well cause technology is getting better.

Oh and for those who look at the prices I said and say, base model 350z is about 28,000... well thats a base model, and a base S16 as I said around 18-19k is a good 200$/mo payment difference.

[White Comet]

theres still light cars, s2k, miata, etc

[SketchyRollin564]

I like the idea but things like AWD, TT, and a V6 will move the car up in the price ladder above the EVO/STI. Those features would be a mistake. Keep it simple. RWD, LSD, Light, Turbo, and above all cheap. These are the features that made the S chassis such a cult classic. It will need all of them to succeed if revived.

I agree with you 100%

[EvillE423]

See, that's what OPTIONAL means.

I mean, one guy can afford. $30K for his car.What choices does he have?

A. 350Z - Coupe, RWD, 300bHP V6B. Mustang (whatever) - Coupe, RWD, 333bHP V8C. Subaru STI - 4Door, 300bHP I4 Turbo, AWDD. EVO X- 4 Door, 300bHP I4 Turbo, AWD

I want Option E. S16 - RWD for $20K with OPTIONAL V6 Twin Turbo 500bHP for $10 more.Cheaper interior? He doesn't care. No AWD feature? He doesn't care. Only babies can sit in the rear? He doesn't care.He wants a God-Damn Corvette killer for $30k and there he has it.

The same applies to someone who wants a coupe with AWD but doesn't care for Turbo (yet). Or someone who wants nice interior RWD manual car. Or maybe Auto/Paddle trans for driving in the traffic as well as having fun sometimes. They just pay for the features they want and nothing more.

Fail

[Soravia]

Hyundai is making a Mustang killer for $20K.http://www.thetorquereport.com....html

Even if the new S16 doesn't have V6-TT, other OPTIONS such as Infinity class OPTIONAL interiors. OPTIONAL Turbo. OPTIONAL AWD. OPTIONAL 6-Speed, OPTIONAL Track-grade suspension. (READ Honda Mugen) can make a car very attractive to different markets while keeping the price low.

Right now you cannot have G37 class interior in the 350z. You have to pay for the G37 to get it along with drive-by-wire and everything else that has nothing to do with buying a 350Z. You can't have AWD on the 350Z either, only G37 and GT-R. Much less for a cheaper I4 engine car.

Most of today's cars' weight come from the fact that there are markets demanding higher crash-test ratings. But there are plenty of people who would go with a three star as instead of 4 stars, etc. Weight reduction using expensive materials is not necessary for cheaper car market.

[1unar3clipse]

massive fail

word... Soravia your making the chassis too Flexible. No company in their right mind would offer the same thing from the flagship models on the lower end models.

I honestly believe with Nissans direction their will be no new S-chassis, in fact its good that way I'd rather the S-chassis become classics in Nissan history and that they be succeeded by something newer with modern design cues, and modern engine design.It doesn't need to be turbo to get my sales, in fact I'd rather have something with NA because NA car's have potential that alot of people overlook for FI.

[keith0486]

it would be so sick if they just took the s13-s14 and updated the look of them liek they did with the gt-r would be so so sick.

[Zippy69]

I like the idea but things like AWD, TT, and a V6 will move the car up in the price ladder above the EVO/STI. Those features would be a mistake. Keep it simple. RWD, LSD, Light, Turbo, and above all cheap. These are the features that made the S chassis such a cult classic. It will need all of them to succeed if revived.

The low cost sports car was what gave the 240 so much appeal. Let the owners do the mods as we do now, however factory turbo ka would have been nice.I love all the 240's because they were relatively inexpensive, with a great chassis design, and a good starter platform.

[tibbar650]

my dad knows carlos ghosn personally, you guys are in for a surprise.

[chitownguy]

Even if the new S16 doesn't have V6-TT, other OPTIONS such as Infinity class OPTIONAL interiors. OPTIONAL Turbo. OPTIONAL AWD. OPTIONAL 6-Speed, OPTIONAL Track-grade suspension. (READ Honda Mugen) can make a car very attractive to different markets while keeping the price low.

Right now you cannot have G37 class interior in the 350z. You have to pay for the G37 to get it along with drive-by-wire and everything else that has nothing to do with buying a 350Z. You can't have AWD on the 350Z either, only G37 and GT-R. Much less for a cheaper I4 engine car.

They won't make such ludicrous options available if they made another S-chassis except for maybe an optional turbo engine. AWD, 6-speed, track suspension, and fancy leather interiors won't happen.

You know they dont put a "G37 class interior" in a Z for a reason. So you buy the G37 instead of the Z. That's why they have a luxury division and the regular brand. If you could have AWD and fancy interior on a Z, why buy the G or GT-R if you can have the same thing for thousands less? How would Nissan make any money if that's how it was? One car with hundreds of options for all your needs.

Stop day-dreaming!!

[musashin]

my dad knows carlos ghosn personally, you guys are in for a surprise.

[Soravia]

They won't make such ludicrous options available if they made another S-chassis except for maybe an optional turbo engine. AWD, 6-speed, track suspension, and fancy leather interiors won't happen.

You know they dont put a "G37 class interior" in a Z for a reason. So you buy the G37 instead of the Z. That's why they have a luxury division and the regular brand. If you could have AWD and fancy interior on a Z, why buy the G or GT-R if you can have the same thing for thousands less? How would Nissan make any money if that's how it was? One car with hundreds of options for all your needs.

Stop day-dreaming!!

Not Hundreds of options. Just a few to fit in different markets on the lower end all together.

Puttinng in leather interiors and nice wide leather seats into S16 won't make it rival to G37, or as expensive. But it can come next to a BMW Z4 roadster on the looks, with lower price.

Subaru Impreza? Mitsubishi STI? Nissan doesn't need another car for that area, just load up the S16 hatch with AWD an Inline-4 Turbo. If the customer has OPTION for G37 interior in that they will choose the S16 over STI or EVO.

Hyundai RWD Coupe? If the S-16 has V6 option in it people will choose it over Korean maker with same price range.

Civic Hybrid? Nissan can soruce Toyota hybrid tech into the S16 inline 4 to compete in that market.

Miata? Soltice? Saturn Sky? S16 can have a convertable.

Ford Focus? Saturn Astra? S16 can have a hatch for 3 Door.

Same car, same parts, just different options for different people. Add in three different faces and three different body styles into that. GM's G6 has only the body and engine difference in their cars. Nissan can expand further with all their technologies.
Modified by Soravia at 5:22 PM 11/8/2007

[1unar3clipse]

Hyundai RWD Coupe? If the S-16 has V6 option in it people will choose it over Korean maker with same price range.

It could have a turd in it and I might still be more tempted to get a turd powered car than a turd on wheels.

V6 wont be an option unless the want to cornerstone the NA v6 market, they would be able to get away with a turbo on a 4 cyl, but to put a v6 in something replacing the s-chassis would create more inter company competition, which between Nissan's current line up and its competitors (domestic and import) would be foolish.a Cheap NA RWD platform with an optional turbo package(including minor trim/wheel differences) would have more benefit in their current line up than another v6 car. but thats from my stand point observing what is it? 4-5 current cars powered by VQ v6's?

would make assembly and manufacturing costs cheaper... but list prices for sale will go up. which will kill the s-chassis successor.

[Soravia]

The Price WILL NOT go up, if the customer wants it cheap. They can have Inline 4 for price of a Sentra.If they want V6 with 300bHP, they can have it for price of a Mustan V6 or Hyundai Tiburon.

That's the beauty of the entire plan. More than just asking Nissan for cheap RWD car.It's Cheap RWD car with potential upgrades.

You have seen Mazda 3 and Mazda 3 Speed Edition. You have seen Impreza and WRX STI. You have seen Saturn Sky and Saturn Sky RedLine.Most of them just add in Turbo or suspension. Nissan can give more options to sell more.

[thefro526]

I've personally thought that an auto company needs to make something along the lines of a RWD civic. Versital chassis, lots of trim levels (coupe, hatch, and sedan). If nissan could make the next S-Chassis rwd and along those lines it would be awsome. Then you could get a RWD car for like 15K and have a performance (turbo) version at 21K ish so even fully loaded the car would come in at about 25K and a Z33 starts at what? about 30k or so. This would make a clear difference between the two vehicles. The Z33 would be a sports car, and the new S-chassis would be a car with a performance version. All nissan has to do is make the S-Chassis versital dont just make it a sports car. The only problem would be that this would compete with the Sentra. Perhaps Nissan will iliminate the Sentra in favor of a new S-Chassis? Hey a Guy can dream; can't he?

[chitownguy]

Yes but those cars you just listed already had an engine thats of the same configuration in them. If an S16 came with an I-4 then an option for V6 would end up costing more because of motor mounts, accesories, etc. Also AWD versions would need room for a second driveshaft from a transfer case and different frame configuration in the front for the axles. This would all cost more and if they don't sell then people will have to pay for it throught the models that were supposed to be cheaper. Do you get it now?

The Price WILL NOT go up, if the customer wants it cheap.

You've got to be kidding me? So I'm a customer and I want a GT-R for 25k, am I going to get it? NO!!

[1unar3clipse]

The Price WILL NOT go up

R&D, body style designs, paying the staff, importation, making the engine's legal and carb/smog compliant in both the JDM and USDM ( along with various other countries they will try to employ any car the make) doing the same for safety and crash ratings, trim level research, market research.

but none of that for a very versatile chassis will make the price go up on base models? I think not dude.

you want the Toyota Scion of Nissan but with performance aspects and multiple trim levels and sub-models within a major new release model...

You have seen Mazda 3 and Mazda 3 Speed Edition. You have seen Impreza and WRX STI. You have seen Saturn Sky and Saturn Sky RedLine.Most of them just add in Turbo or suspension. Nissan can give more options to sell more.

Im not even going to touch that comparison because were talking about a RWD platform.

[Alfador]

I can't believe people still entertain these pipe-dreams.

1. Petitions, online or not, carry almost no weight. A petition only reflects effort and dedication to the cause of one person: the one who put it together. That's it. For everyone else, the effort is as little as signing for something they might, I repeat, might actually follow through on if it were accepted. To make a real impression each person would have to contact the target audience directly, via personal contact or written letter, no electronic crap.

2. Half the people who would put their name on it can't even afford a cheap new car.

3. Designing a new car costs a ton of money, adjusting the machinery for it costs a lot of money, marketing it costs a lot of money, testing it costs a lot of money.

4. Nissan has an R&D dept and a concept Dept. They have to justify them, and that involves not letting random people push their "I'm so special and creative" ideas on them.

5. This is really more a reason why you shouldn't than why it will fail... IT WILL SUCK. Revival cars almost always blow.

[S14toRPS13]

The Price WILL NOT go up, if the customer wants it cheap. They can have Inline 4 for price of a Sentra.If they want V6 with 300bHP, they can have it for price of a Mustan V6 or Hyundai Tiburon.

That's the beauty of the entire plan. More than just asking Nissan for cheap RWD car.It's Cheap RWD car with potential upgrades.

You have seen Mazda 3 and Mazda 3 Speed Edition. You have seen Impreza and WRX STI. You have seen Saturn Sky and Saturn Sky RedLine.Most of them just add in Turbo or suspension. Nissan can give more options to sell more.

You still don't get it. Price will go up if production costs go up. More car=more money.

What you're asking is like asking Honda to have an NSX engine option on the Civic. They would end up killing the whole entire line up of Accords and RSX.

Look what happened to the Maximas. AFter the Altima's got bigger and equiped with the V6. You hardly see anyone driving the Maximas anymore.

[hpmachine]

10 years down the line, we'll probably run out of fossil fuels, lmao

Oh yeah that's a good point. Well that just about ends this thread because even if some crazy petition actually worked, and Nissan went ahead with some cheap, cool rwd platform, by the time it's available, we'll be out of gas! LOL

[S14toRPS13]

Oh yeah that's a good point. Well that just about ends this thread because even if some crazy petition actually worked, and Nissan went ahead with some cheap, cool rwd platform, by the time it's available, we'll be out of gas! LOL

Nope, we'll just slap all the g*dd*mn hippies in the face and drill right off our shores. We'll be good for a while after that.

Offtopic but that means we'll still have a chance at seeing another S chassis!!

[Soravia]

Look what happened to the Maximas. AFter the Altima's got bigger and equiped with the V6. You hardly see anyone driving the Maximas anymore.

Altima and Maxima are like 350Z and G35. Very similar cars.Now if you compare a 240SX to Skyline R34 GT-R or the new G37, they are totally different. Chassis weight, engine power, AWD, Leather Interior, Seats comfort, GPS system, Paddle Shifters, Bigger Brakes, Aluminum suspension parts, All wheel steering, Blue-Tooth and all the gadgets, Warranty, etc.

Just because Ford put out a Mustang with Super-Charger doesn't mean the Ford GT market will lose buyers. Mustangs are Mustangs and GT are GT. 240sx can never become a G37 or a GT-R but using some of the technologies or features can make it distinguished among other plan-jane cheaper cars.

So Instead of make so many different cars for lower end fun-to-drive car market. (you know, not passenger cars) Nissan can make one chassis and change the features to suit the buyer.One S16 can target from cheapestCivic Si (2.0L NA Coupe) Soltice (Convert, Turbo)BMW Z4 (Convert, Upscale)Honda S2K (Convert, NA, Performance)Mustang (V8, RWD Coupe/Convert, Cheap)Lan-EVo (AWD, Turbo)

It'll just be a tad short of reaching 350Z after all the options. But 350Z will still have bigger wheels, Brakes and stiffer chassis.

[chitownguy]

Except Mustangs suck while GT's are track monsters with 500hp. But an S16 with AWD and TT-V6 might end up lighter and could beat a G37 or GT-R with the same amount of horsepower and torque.

[Soravia]

No it can't. GT-R has stiffer frame to keep the car down on the road, plus bigger wheels and tires. Not to mention great interior, and outer design, better warranty and craftmanship, better aero, better balance, etc. More power doesn't make better car or faster car. I've been told about it by people who drove the Twin-Turbo Ford GT. It had power but not controlled and hard to use.

But for people who only cares about 0-60 and not really packing $80K for GT-R, the cheaper S16 will win over Ford Mustang Bullitt or Corvett.

This is how the OPTIONS can make S16 everyone favorite. They can have options they want without paying for other things they can't afford. It'll never be a Porche Turbo or a BMW M3, but in some aspects it'll be able to keep up with them.

[S14toRPS13]

Okay so a S16 will never be as luxurious as a G37 or a super car like a GT-R, but what will happen to the 350Z. The 350Z only comes with a N/A V6. Now witih your S16 proposal, we can have a lighter car with a TT V6, AWD that clearly will beat the 350Z in just about every category. What's to happen to Nissan's flagship car in America now? Are you going to equip it with even more options driving up the price even more to make room for a baby super car the S16? That was the downfall of the sports car in the 90's. Everything had to be bigger, badder, more expensive and the result. Supra's gone, RX-7's gone, 300ZX's gone, 3000GT gone.

A simple light rwd probably QR25(possibly a turbo)is our best bet and we can go on from there. It'd be nice to have a 500 hp silvia, 240sx, whatever from the factory but to the big wigs, that's just poor marketing.

[chitownguy]

^^^ Well put and if you still think you're right Soravia, you're of small mental capacity.

[Soravia]

350Z will still be bigger than S16 chassis. It'll still have front Aluminum Doule-Wishbone. It'll still have bigger brakes and wider tires. It'll still be the Z, the Japanese Porche Performance w/o the cost for frills.

S16 with V6-TT and AWD will be heavier or as heavy as the 350Z and cost more for the power it has. But that's for people who want nothing but power for about 40K, people who don't care how much gas mileage they get (read Corvette and Viper).

Otherwise I could have just said Twin Turbo and AWD in 350Z.

And don't forget, Adding in V6-TT and AWD in $15K car isn't what this is all about. There's more to it.Interior - Add in about $4K for Infinity grade Interior. No power but it looks good for people who care about that.Power - Add in about $8K for V6 from 350Z. Not as good on handling but the car will make power to beat any Honda or Mitsubishi or Mustang.Handling - Add in $6K Sport package, Brakes and Suspension. There won't be power but great for staying on the road. Honda S2000 would be the target.AWD - Add in $4K for traction FWD cars have. No one will be complaining how they can't drive the car in the north. This is NOT the AWD GT-R has, more like from the Skyline Sedans.Inline-4 Turbo - Add in $2K for extra 70 Horses. Not a bad thing for rushing down the highway.Aero Kits - Add in $2K for nothing but looks. They don't help but a lot of people pay money for just that.Three different fronts and bodies for people who want open top or hatch to hold cargo. It's just a few extra body panels to design. Scion xA, xB, xD had more things to design.
Modified by Soravia at 8:41 PM 11/8/2007

[KDashy]

A new s chassis wont make money.

Just another thing broke *** 240sx owners have to dream about.