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simmode1 wrote:
zooopreme wrote:With the width of the wheel being 9.75" for the 527 would that be a problem if you get that all around? I'm going to assume that you need a pull for these (if you want to keep stock fenders) huh?
Excellent question! The +25 offset shouldn't really cause much problems for your fenders besides needing the typical roll. Maybe a pull depending on how much tire and negative camber you want to run. There is a possibility that you may get some rubbing/contact between the tire and the inner wheel well though. I'd probably use a small slip-on spacer (like 5mm to 7mm) bringing the effective offset down to +18 to negate that.

The bigger issue here is whether the 9.75+25 will hit your coilovers up front. There answer to this is YES, unless you have taken precautions. Most S13 coilovers just barely clear 9.5+12's. But some coilovers have more backspace than others. I've seen 17x10+18 upfront on an S13 with Apexi coils.

There's only two sure ways to make sure wheels this wide won't hit your coilovers:
- Spacers to push the wheel away from the coilover. But this lowers the effective offset, increasing the likelihood of even more fender work and reducing the amount of rubber you can run.

- Run extended coilover brackets to 'create' more backspace between the wheel and the coilover.
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To my knowledge, Megan is the only company to market extended brackets. So if you don't have Megan Streets or Tracks, you're screwed and will need to fabricate your own brackets. For this reason and this reason alone, I'm buying Megan coils over brands like Stance, PBM, Fortune Auto, or KTS.
damn im glad i just bought the megan streets. base ball bat, extended brackets and xxr's meet my car! :badger


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I wouldn't call myself an expert, but I do have an S14 as well, so yeah I know a little.

If you look on Rimtuck, there are examples of S14's with 10 inch wide wheels up front on coilovers with stock fenders and offsets around +18. But I've also seen S14's on coilovers that just barely clear 17x9+22 RPF1's... :gotme

I don't really know how much backspace Fortune Auto coilovers leave you, so I think it's really just gonna be a trial and error thing, homie. But the conventional wisdom or consensus is the 10 inch wide wheels will probably need +12 offsets to guarantee clearance.

So if I were you, I'd grab a pair of the 17x10+20's for the rear and test fit them for the front. A 7mm slip-on spacer should get the job done, if needed. If you like it, just order another pair. If you don't like it, just take them off the front and put 'em in the back, then order the 17x9+25's.

Trying to stick properly sized rubber on a 10+20 inch wide wheel up front though? Oi... Get ready to beat the hell out of your inner wheel well and a serious pull...
costa_rican13 wrote:damn im glad i just bought the megan streets. base ball bat, extended brackets and xxr's meet my car! :badger
For real. See my sig... lol

The only thing I'm concerned about the extender brackets is what that extra 25mm of backspace would do to our suspension geometry? Oh well, it's probably not major enough to even worry about on a street car...

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so whats the properly sized tire, for the 527's? the 17x9.75. 255/45/17?? im looking at those baaaaaaaaaaddd............ probably my next pay check..
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255/40/17 would be really nice in the rear. But I think a 255/40 would come into contact with your inner wheel well lining and rub up front at full wheel lock. You're just gonna have to play around with that. Maybe a small slip-on spacer or 235/245 tires up front instead. But 40 profile series for sure.

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i see.. i just want a nice tire that not gona lock up when i push the brakes half way. i have j30's as of now. but will be switching to q45's with x/slotted rotors.

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simmode1 wrote:I wouldn't call myself an expert, but I do have an S14 as well, so yeah I know a little.

If you look on Rimtuck, there are examples of S14's with 10 inch wide wheels up front on coilovers with stock fenders and offsets around +18. But I've also seen S14's on coilovers that just barely clear 17x9+22 RPF1's... :gotme

I don't really know how much backspace Fortune Auto coilovers leave you, so I think it's really just gonna be a trial and error thing, homie. But the conventional wisdom or consensus is the 10 inch wide wheels will probably need +12 offsets to guarantee clearance.

So if I were you, I'd grab a pair of the 17x10+20's for the rear and test fit them for the front. A 7mm slip-on spacer should get the job done, if needed. If you like it, just order another pair. If you don't like it, just take them off the front and put 'em in the back, then order the 17x9+25's.

Trying to stick properly sized rubber on a 10+20 inch wide wheel up front though? Oi... Get ready to beat the hell out of your inner wheel well and a serious pull...
Just checked, the 17x9 is only available with a +35 offset, so guessing big spacers are a must there. I wasn't seriously thinking of putting the 17x10's in the front though, no need for that much tire with an S14, they are much more neutral handling than the S13 and having the same size tire front to rear might make the car too twitchy. I'm thinking I could probably get away with the 17x9 +35 with a 255/40/17 with a spacer and a pull? Possible? On the back its just a matter of how much tire I can squeeze on with the lowered stance and not much camber. A 315 will technically fit on the rim, but I doubt it would clear the fender... maybe with a pull there too :cool:

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SX APPEAL wrote:I'm thinking I could probably get away with the 17x9 +35 with a 255/40/17 with a spacer and a pull? Possible?
Here's an S14 with 245/40 on 17x9+25's up front. Looks like a 255 will fit. You're gonna need like a 10mm to 15mm spacer, looks like...
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if only they had gold with silver lip.... bastards!

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They are dirt cheap. Just go get them painted. I'm planning on getting the Chromium Black 526's and having the lip anodized prism coated... Str8 sechs. :naughty:

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they dont have 18s in 4 lug. damn itttt

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I know, right? Could you imagine an 18x10.5+20 4 lug wheel selling for $160 each?! Then these would be the most whored out 240 wheels EVER.

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damn you XXR damn you!!!!!

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Lol... Don't be too mad. Who else do you know selling 10 inch wide wheels for 4 lug at this price? They didn't even have to do that much.

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true. im probably gonna end up getting the 5 lug 521s in gold with the silver lip. hopefully i find a new s14 shell for my project and its 5 lug, if not ill have to get the conversion

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want your shat a different color, here's your guy -good man, he'll take car of you.

btw thanks for the pic of the S14 simmode, good to know it can be done. I'm looking to get the greatest amount of rubber on the tarmac for the least hassle/cost, and xxr seems to be the best way to go. 526/527's plus some fatty kumho xs's sounds pretty hott. :cool:

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18x10 +20 is so perfect! I wish more wheel manufacturers would make alot more lower offset wheels.

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SX APPEAL wrote:want your shat a different color, here's your guy -good man, he'll take car of you.
Man, it seems like every year, NICO get a new official powdercoater... The last one was seriously good. I wonder what happened to them... LiquidMetal something or rather...
NismoRTuneS13 wrote:18x10 +20 is so perfect! I wish more wheel manufacturers would make alot more lower offset wheels.
There's alot of 18x10+20 wheels on the market. They just happen to be for 5 lug though. :frown:

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Man you 4-lug guys are getting all the love in 2011...

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Oh! Nice! I'll have to add those to the 4 lug wheel thread!

But I don't understand why release them in 16's? Tire selection is soooo limited!

Edit: :spitout: Just noticed the introductory price! $399 for a set of 4 16x9+15? Steal!

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Those 526 are nice I've been looking at these. I wonder how much they weigh

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Probably more than 926's... and they were like 26lbs, weren't they? :ohno:

Oh well, I don't care. Still want.

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simmode1 wrote: Man, it seems like every year, NICO get a new official powdercoater... The last one was seriously good. I wonder what happened to them... LiquidMetal something or rather...
Just saying cause I've met him personally and have done business with him in the past, he's a straight shooter.

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Rims are nice, Would luv em in a 18...

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simmode1 wrote:Yeah, I was considering the 5 lug swap just so I could get the 526's in 17x10+20 and 18x10.5+20. But now, there's no need! It sucks that the 18x10.5 isn't getting the 4lug treatment, but hell... tires for 18's are so much more expensive than 17's anyways, so meh...

But I still have to weigh the merit of keeping a 4 lug setup with Z32 brakes. I really don't wanna have to keep getting Z32 rotors redrilled for 4 lug. Does anyone know any relatively affordable 4 lug rotors compatible with Z32 brake swaps?

Edit: Nevermind! It's my lucky day! Drilled & slotted Z32 rotors for 4 lug!
http://www.phase2motortrend.com/p2mz32frbrro.html
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+1 for redrilling your z32 rotors to 4lug haha thought i was the only one..
I have been using these but I want to swith to slotted, I'm looking at Rotora
http://www.frsport.com/index.php?target ... ct_id=3054

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As much as I love the idea of these wheels coming out in 17x10+20 for 4 lug, the fact that I REALLY want the 18x10.5's for the rear are probably gonna make me go 5 lug all around anyways. I just can't stomach the thought of being 4 lug in the front and 5 lug in the back...

Damn you, Rimtuck and Zilvia fitment thread! Because of you, now I can't tolerate 17's in the rear!!! :argh

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dam u posted my spring plan.lol im goin with the 17x10s and a 215 45 front and 225 45 rear

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215's on a 10" wide rim? WTF? seriously? Why the f*** do you guys feel the need get get the rims soooo wide and then put tires on them that would properly fit a 7" rim? Why not just get the 7" rim in the first place and save yourself the trouble and money? This whole stretched tires hellaflush thing is beyond me.

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I understand the stretched tire mentality, but I hate when guys go to extremes like that. I think alot of them feel that putting a tire square on a wheel will give you too tall of a sidewall and prevent you from going as low as you wanna go. It's about the curvature of the tire's sidewall in relation to the fender and what looks good. I get that. But a tiny tire like that is not the only way to get low or look good. I think it completely defeats the point of having good offsets like these.

Also, I think alot of guys who think like this want to look aggressive, but still need to be able to spin their tires with a weak stock motor, so dinky tire sizes are helpful to them.

I plan to get the same size wheels in 17x10 & 18x10.5, but I'm trying to fit 245/40 up front and 265/35 rears under stock fenders. Still stretched, but far more subtle and pretty close to the maximum amount of rubber you can fit up front.

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simmode1 wrote: $399 for a set of 4 16x9+15? Steal!
it is a good a** price but i hate the way the spokes/face of the wheel like bubble out, like reverse concave to give the look of havign more lip.
id consider buying a set if they were just flat faced.

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simmode1 wrote:I understand the stretched tire mentality, but I hate when guys go to extremes like that. I think alot of them feel that putting a tire square on a wheel will give you too tall of a sidewall and prevent you from going as low as you wanna go. It's about the curvature of the tire's sidewall in relation to the fender and what looks good. I get that. But a tiny tire like that is not the only way to get low or look good. I think it completely defeats the point of having good offsets like these.

Also, I think alot of guys who think like this want to look aggressive, but still need to be able to spin their tires with a weak stock motor, so dinky tire sizes are helpful to them.

I plan to get the same size wheels in 17x10 & 18x10.5, but I'm trying to fit 245/40 up front and 265/35 rears under stock fenders. Still stretched, but far more subtle and pretty close to the maximum amount of rubber you can fit up front.
Yeah those sizes are a lot more realistic. I have my doubts about it even being possible to mount a 215 on a 10" wide rim, and even if it could be done, how long you could drive on it before the beads broke loose. And I know what you mean about the stock motor thing, mine is just bolt ons and you have to REALLY be trying to break them loose on dry pavement with 245's on the back, talking 4-5K rpm clutch drops and lots of throttle. Sure does stick well in the twisties though :yesnod


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