One of my Miatas... (updated w new pics 1/13)

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stopatnothing wrote:
I think he meant s4 or s5 motor, but either way, looks like you guys were off to a productive start...
really, it just depends on what is available, the condition its in, and the cost associated with it.

i used to know the differences off the top of my head, i think it mostly has to do with the 2-stage intake, right?


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Wow, I actually at first thought it was a silver paint ontop of the red. Looks like someone had alot of time on their hands, but it does look unique, I'll give you that.

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d!ck wrote:
really, it just depends on what is available, the condition its in, and the cost associated with it.

i used to know the differences off the top of my head, i think it mostly has to do with the 2-stage intake, right?
theres the electric omp the s5 has, more power, higher redline, some minor tweaks and flood preventative goodies, imo s5 is better, but u need to research and make up ur own mind. i wouldnt go with whatever comes up first, research the 2 and compare ur findings

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Keystone light. Good grief!

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d!ck wrote:anyone want to buy parts from the blue one? how about the whole damn car? i have no idea wtf im going to do with it.
R you really gonna get rid of the blue one? How much are you gonna sell it for? can you post pics?

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its all up in the air. i really can't decide whether to keep it or sell it.

reasons to keep:

- mariner blue is growing on me- i would have 3 cars- it doesnt take up much space- complete car with hardtop- straight frame- good transmission

reasons to part/sell:

- doesn't run- i would have 3 cars- takes up space- body damage to front bumper and fender (looks like rot from being under the stupid bra)- power windows, steering, etc...- sitting on temp wheel because one tire is flat- rear panel cracked- soft top shredded- pay for a 7mgte and manual swap in my cressida- pay for most of a swap into my other miata

probably more.

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d!ck wrote:reasons to part/sell:

- doesn't run- i would have 3 cars- takes up space- body damage to front bumper and fender (looks like rot from being under the stupid bra)- power windows, steering, etc...- sitting on temp wheel because one tire is flat- rear panel cracked- soft top shredded- pay for a 7mgte and manual swap in my cressida- pay for most of a swap into my other miataprobably more.
As much as i'd hate to advise to get rid of a miata, sounds like you've got better reasons to let 'er go. i mean, if it's going to get your other cars going then do it...sacrifice one for the better of the population! (jk)

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money is not really an issue, but it would speed things up quite a bit.

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hmmm

didn't realize there was that much wrong with it...Love the idea of the hard top n' the color but ... idk i think it would be a fun project car.

"stupid bra"

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so how long did it take you to sand all that down? sorry to be lazy if you already posted this but what color/paint are you going to use?

Looks like a lot of work so far...

You ever figure out what you were going to do with the blue car?

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probably keeping the blue car... why not? after buying all 3 ive come out to just even from selling one of my 240s. the red car will be painted in a surprise color, and it is taking forever to sand down, mostly because i dont have a lot of time to devote to it.

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a surprise color huh....

GL with the rest of the project, keep us posted

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wtf you ruined a perfectly good car it was better before

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d!ck wrote:probably keeping the blue car... why not? after buying all 3 ive come out to just even from selling one of my 240s. the red car will be painted in a surprise color, and it is taking forever to sand down, mostly because i dont have a lot of time to devote to it.
pink, duh. it is a girls car after all.

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dont blow this for me, assfaces. now i have to change it from pink to something else.

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d!ck wrote:dont blow this for me, assfaces. now i have to change it from pink to something else.
Miatas rock!!! I have driven enough cars in my short life to understand that. Most people who bash miatas hasn't driven or owned one long enough to understand what that little machine has to offer.

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greenwar wrote:
Miatas rock!!! I have driven enough cars in my short life to understand that. Most people who bash miatas hasn't driven or owned one long enough to understand what that little machine has to offer.
Well said, my good man, well said. I've been trying to think of a way to say exactly that haha

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maybe ill go with a hello kitty theme, or sonic the hedgehog.

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Ha... head shot...k done

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greenwar wrote:
Miatas rock!!! I have driven enough cars in my short life to understand that. Most people who bash miatas hasn't driven or owned one long enough to understand what that little machine has to offer.
so true, i've always liked miatas but i've only driven one on a test drive for like 10 minutes. thats all the time you need to tell that its a great little car
d!ck wrote:or sonic the hedgehog.


the cars looking a lot better and im anxious to see the mystery color. email me if you have any rotary question or need any help when its time for the engine to be decided on

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im still finding out how i could even get the 13b in the car. there are a few options and all of them are going to be expensive. the kit is like $4,000 and comes with stuff i wont need. custom fab for mounts would likely be as expensive all said and done. ill run the 1.6 in hte car into the ground while i decide.

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d!ck wrote:im still finding out how i could even get the 13b in the car. there are a few options and all of them are going to be expensive. the kit is like $4,000 and comes with stuff i wont need. custom fab for mounts would likely be as expensive all said and done. ill run the 1.6 in hte car into the ground while i decide.
Is there a big enough market for these swaps that you could just sell some or all of the parts you dont need? Although I'm guessing you've already entertained this idea...

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The 13B Miata isn't too hard to build if you've got a welder. A few problems:

Engine mounts: Using a GSL-SE front cover (it'll bolt right on) gives you TONS more options.

Exhaust: Miata's on the "wrong" side. Modifiy the firewall to make room, or run the 13B exhaust infront of the engine and then left, then back.

Transmission: rotary trans sits higher. modifying the firewall and floorpan is needed.

That said, nothing structural needs to be modified. That makes it an easy swap in my book!

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the easiest way to do it that i have found goes like this:

- have the input shaft on the miata transmission machined to accept the 13b. this is a lot easier than it sounds and they are basically the same transmission with slightly different gearing. the benefits are no firewall/trans tunnel modification required and i HEAR that a lot of rx7 racing guys appreciate the gearing of the miata trans and swap to them anyways.

- custom mounts and oil pan for the rotary. like charlio said, need a welder and also need to persuade the rails on the miata to get it to work. the 12a or early 13b front cover (?) provides a mounting position, too.

- exhaust dump out of or under the front fender. sounds mean, right? fits with where i am taking this car.

- haven't figured out management yet, that is where rotary expert input will be required. a lot of the guys who have swapped are simply running carbs, i'd like to try something else.

im not going for balls-out power yet, so this is just something that i'd like to have as opposed to an autocross monster or track whore (yet). once i feel like i need more power, i would have to go with the beefier transmission and rear end etc... i'd still like to keep it rotary though.

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d!ck wrote:the easiest way to do it that i have found goes like this:

- have the input shaft on the miata transmission machined to accept the 13b. this is a lot easier than it sounds and they are basically the same transmission with slightly different gearing. the benefits are no firewall/trans tunnel modification required and i HEAR that a lot of rx7 racing guys appreciate the gearing of the miata trans and swap to them anyways.

- custom mounts and oil pan for the rotary. like charlio said, need a welder and also need to persuade the rails on the miata to get it to work. the 12a or early 13b front cover (?) provides a mounting position, too.

- exhaust dump out of or under the front fender. sounds mean, right? fits with where i am taking this car.

- haven't figured out management yet, that is where rotary expert input will be required. a lot of the guys who have swapped are simply running carbs, i'd like to try something else.

im not going for balls-out power yet, so this is just something that i'd like to have as opposed to an autocross monster or track whore (yet). once i feel like i need more power, i would have to go with the beefier transmission and rear end etc... i'd still like to keep it rotary though.
NA RX-7 guys DO love the Miata gear ratios. They drop the Miata gears into the NA trans though, I don't think the bell housing of the Miata trans works.

Use the GSL-SE front cover. WAY less work.

NO NO NO. Have you heard a rotary uncorked with such a short tube? The car will not be able to even idle on the street, and it will exceed the noise regulations for most tracks. I've got 3 HUGE magnaflows on my '7, and it's still boy-racer loud. A fantastic sounding loud, but still.

Megasquirt! One of the EVIL forum's only good points is muythaibxr's work with Megasquirting the rotary: http://www.rx7club.com/forumdisplay.php?f=153

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I still fail to see the fun advantage of $4000 drivetrain vs. $4000 worth of driving events, since that is your ultimate goal. Trust me it's more fun to be the stock Miata on the track than the broken down - sweet-*** car - in the pits.

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im not spending $4000 on the engine unless i win the lottery. im looking for ways around having to buy the $4000 kit or pay some guy to make it for me.

charlie: thanks for the info. ill end up figuring something out when i can get my hands on a motorset as far as fitting everything and making it run. i was hoping you'd say megasquirt, too.

so short pipe on a rotary is a bad idea . looks like i have more research to do.

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I still think you're misunderestimating (Texas joke?) the incidental costs of a rotary. making power. in a car it wasn't intended. $4,000 sounds relatively realistic to me no matter how you swing it.

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i think youre misunderestimating (is it funny that the firefox recognizes the word as a correct spelling?) me and misunderstandimating my intentions.

this is a long-term project and something im doing just for the hell of it. i have a second miata as well that it looks like i will be keeping that i can drive in the first car's down time and make competitive in events.

if it turns out to be impossible, i will still have all of the 1.6 parts ready to put back in. since my goal is not to have to modify anything to the point that it would be impossible to restore the car to near-original condition for sale purposes or otherwise, i fail to see the problem with undertaking something that many others have before. its not impossible, it may be expensive but i have the money and im willing to make the time.

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