My build thread - Project Oreo

[Bumnah]

The lack of BOV.

So weld in a flange?

Those short pipes are a great bonus.

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Lemme see what I'm doing with it, We were contemplating making a hard pipe for my intake, so we'll see, if not, prolly 250 for everything.... including Greddy Type S BOV, and all the piping and intercooler, and couplers.
Modified by Magnum375 Jr. at 7:44 PM 1/12/2010

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Well Bumnah, the controversial part is, I'm not going to ever run a BOV again. And I know that some people are dead sent for it, and some are dead set against...so some ppl wont, some will like.

[Didderson]

It was like holding a baby today yo hahaa... Thanks for the fun before my afternoon classes. I still love the orange couplers w/ mini max logos lol... My fav color! No wonder why MAX has me so sold.

[Bumnah]

Well Bumnah, the controversial part is, I'm not going to ever run a BOV again. And I know that some people are dead sent for it, and some are dead set against...so some ppl wont, some will like.

Do you have CA running 5psi of boost or something?

Why would you not run a BOV?

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Why would you run a BOV? This has all been discussed. X|

[White Comet]

the no bov concept is controversial. but the parts i see are not. nice kit, should spool like a beast

[Bumnah]

Why would you run a BOV? This has all been discussed. X|

This is a joke right? Beside the fact Nissan put in a factory diverter valve in the setup when they switched from the CA to SR?

Doesn't this car have a slight smoke issue due to weak turbo seals already?

[Lonismos14]

Sounds good but i already have that same blow off valve. I like the way it soundsbut like the lancaster crew im thinkin bout runnin no blow off valve cause im not recirc and i tend to get real rich when i let off the gas.

-1 for the rich situation.

+1 for the flames after i shift.

[bersh240]

one of these days ill get around to recirculating.. or mabey just weld it shut!

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Yes Bumnah, it has a slight smoke issue with the oil seals, but, once the turbo is rebuilt, the surge will only affect the life span of the turbo, the most it'll ever see is maybe 13psi, I'm running between 10-11psi right now. The long lifespan of the turbo could be shortened to what, 5 years tops? No big deal, its cheap replacement parts, I'm not worried, and when I go t28, I can still rebuild, so i am not worried one bit.

[mothon]

Compressor surge is soooo cool....Really it is.

[Bumnah]

Compressor surge is soooo cool....Really it is.

Only when you're a MKIV Supra boosting 30 psi.

Lots of speculation as to what the results would be. I'd spend the what, $50, $75, to have a bov in there and not guess at what may happen. It's your car and your headache.

[Magnum375 Jr.]

My curious mind wants to know, what PSI does your BOV release at, mines at 7psi now with no ill effects, so i cant imagine that 4 more psi cant do any worse. I'll hold onto my BOV for a little while, just incase i blow the turbo seals shortly after I rebuild.

[Bumnah]

My bov is adjusted to be on the loose side. It's recirculated, so it doesn't matter.

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Ok, So today was pretty freaking awesome. Woke up at 8, and sold some drag radials to a guy that drove 3 hours to pick them up. Then jumped right into disassembling the old junky piping. Its up for sale, but seriously, you will know now, I would not tell anyone to run this setup, ever. If you need an IC and stuff just for mock up or something, this would be ideal for that, but a better setup would be needed. Here you can see what it looked like before.



So, I began unbolting the various clamps and removing junk, and I find that this IC piping has become a mini catch can, holding at least 5-6 teaspoons of oil.



So after fulling fishing everything out, I snapped a pic with it all outta the bay, looks so good now, no massively crappy piping.



So, heres the s*** pile.



So, waking up the guys before 11 is damn near impossible, I had an hour and a half to spare, and figured, why not refinish my pignose. So, I wet sanded and spray painted the bumper. I only have a pic of it wetsanded, not painted.



So, fast foward to everyone showing up and beginning to work on the car.

So, I stopped taking pics at this point, and Doug has quite a few, and only uploaded a select few, so not much more of the install itself, but I'll post what I got to work with.

This kit required some cutting, we originally expected minimal cutting, WRONG, extensive cutting was required. The endtanks dont sit in without cutting, and we had to bring down the harness below and along the bottom of the radiator, so the IC mounts up. So I let Keegan figure out how we should go about cutting and he just took over and did a good job.



Here is what he eventually cut out on both sides, doesnt look like much, but it is quite a bit.



This was the first mock up, where Keegan setup the piping and let it hold the IC, while we tried to figure out how we wanted to bolt it in, little fabrication was needed.



So here we are, all standing around while Keegan keeps working....LOL.



The hard part was keeping the headlights UP. This kit required the removal of the headlight motors, and some of the headlight supports. Soooooo, they wiggled like crazy after we had to cut some of the flimsy metal away to allow room for the endtanks. Zipties, as you will notice, keep it from bumping up and down, and boy, are they tight, they wiggle less then stock fitment. Keegan did the passanger side, and I did the driverside.



Here I am doing the driverside headlight.



So We needed more cutting wheels, so Keegan did the running for that too, He's such a great guy. So we all stood out and Doug snapped this pic too., just to prove the badassery that we do out here in PA in January.



So when all said and done, here is final fitment.



Now, I also had acquired a chuki front bumper support, which I can now use with this High mount kit. We cut the foam to fit around the triangular lips on the edge. It definately tightened up the front end a bit, and really snugged up the front bumper. I love the fitment, which I have a few pics of, but only in the dark and rain. But here are my thoughts on the kit.

MAD BOOST RESPONSE!!!!! With the old piping I had found a 2 inch gash in the toilet plumbing coming off the turbo to the hotpipe. So I had a huge boost leak, and I would top out at 11psi. With this kit, I'm on stock t25, and It bounces off 15psi easy. So I cant really push it to its limits yet. I am happy to report, no damage to the turbo so far, after logging quite a few miles and did a few 4 and 5 gear pulls, she is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster. And will be even faster with a newly rebuilt turbo. The surge is not as bad as people make it out to be. The car loves it, and I have to feather it through 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the wet now....Never would break loose in the wet in third before. Tom was with me when I wailed on it in first and second, just feathering the throttle looking for traction....noppeeeee. LOL, love this kit. Someone is gunna be dumb and ask why it covers the rad, I actually run cooler temps with this setup because it doesnt have the Front mount blocking the rad,which means I now have more moving air coming from the lower openings on the pig, and smacking into the rad and then up onto the intercooler. Love everything about this kit. So here a few pics, I'll keep updating with info on my turbo setup, I'm going to try to readjust the boost controller, if not, im putting it back to stock settings, with a piece of vacuum tubing.











Thanks for reading, I know I prolly skipped alot of details, but I'm on 4 hours of sleep and after all the adrenaline and excitement, I'm just plain wiped out.

Modified by Magnum375 Jr. at 10:16 PM 1/17/2010
Modified by Magnum375 Jr. at 10:54 PM 1/17/2010

[blazedxjan]

It's coming along good!! Cool line up lol.

[Bumnah]

Wait the kit requires you to remove the head light motors? How do you raise the headlights up and down? Is it possible to swap in a Silvia front end with the High mount kit?

[White Comet]

i was wondering the same thing about the sil front. but for the usdm front the answer is the headlights are permanently held up

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Weight savings guys, weight savings, you cannot have the headlight motors in, they get in the way with the endtanks being there, also, I am pretty sure you can use it with the silvia front, when you order the kit you tell them what car you have, they have different setups for every type of s13, with different motor options and styles.

[Bumnah]

i was wondering the same thing about the sil front. but for the usdm front the answer is the headlights are permanently held up

WOW! I thought the kit looked pretty good, just needed a BOV setup, but the headlights are permanently up?! EFF that! Well... I guess it's not THAT big of a deal. Jeez disappointing though....

[Magnum375 Jr.]

There's always gunna be a trade off somewhere....This just happens that you dont need that stupid button anymore.

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Ok, went out this morning with no wet fingers, so I could turn down the boost controller, got it down to stock 7psi, and then took it down to my school, to make sure it was truely 7psi. It was, got it to the school, and turned it up 3 clicks, did nothing, so I kept turning, I guess I musta gone too far, because it took forever to bring it up to 8psi. I'm leaving it there until the newly rebuilt turbo goes in. That should be within the next few weeks.

[brn-n-jpn]

yes you turned the nob to far back but you can put it back to 10psi just not 15psi lol

[ILoveMyRHS13]

PS- 12lbs is stock boost.

[brn-n-jpn]

PS- 12lbs is stock boost.

correct

and the HMIC works with all 240/silvia fronts but if you are still running pop-up headlights it requires to remove headlight motors and make custom brakes for headlight to stay up

[White Comet]

i think we need to talk

[mrgreeneyes]

WOW! I thought the kit looked pretty good, just needed a BOV setup, but the headlights are permanently up?! EFF that! Well... I guess it's not THAT big of a deal. Jeez disappointing though....

you upset that you couldnt wink your lights at other 240's? popup motors are silly/heavy anyway.

the kit is AWESOME.

the cutting isnt bad. its honestly the amount of cutting i figured itd take. we got it all fitted in less than 4 hours. the headlight stuff was easier to fab up than i thought. we re-used existing bracket holes to bolt the little lever things to.

the zipties are a total necessity, as it all held together nicely anyway, but that tiny bit of tension did make a nice difference. suuuuuper solid feeling. hate away on it, but without a welder, we didnt have any options other than zips.

was a fun day for sure. we had nearly a dozen 240's at one point filling joels cul de sac.

and sil front fits fine! check PSM's thread and youll see.

[Bumnah]

you upset that you couldnt wink your lights at other 240's? popup motors are silly/heavy anyway.

the kit is AWESOME.

the cutting isnt bad. its honestly the amount of cutting i figured itd take. we got it all fitted in less than 4 hours. the headlight stuff was easier to fab up than i thought. we re-used existing bracket holes to bolt the little lever things to.

the zipties are a total necessity, as it all held together nicely anyway, but that tiny bit of tension did make a nice difference. suuuuuper solid feeling. hate away on it, but without a welder, we didnt have any options other than zips.

was a fun day for sure. we had nearly a dozen 240's at one point filling joels cul de sac.

and sil front fits fine! check PSM's thread and youll see.

Eh. I'd go and debate, but it's not my car. I wouldn't give up the availability to put my lights up and down on a street car; but that's me.

[Magnum375 Jr.]

Ahhh...keyword there, street car....This is a track car, that is street legal...Its not my daily, so it doesnt bother me one bit. However, I'm not sure whats better to have, the ability to put them down and have them fail someday stuck down, and I gotta get out and crank em up. I'll never have to replace motors, and I'm saving like 5-6 pounds easy. Its cool no biggie to each his own.