KAT vs SR

[DrifterXRPS13]

I can't wait for this...rish is gonna be toast! what son!! KA-T 4 life!

until i get v8 powahhhh!!!!!

[flohtingPoint]

No you won't

Very much wont, in fact. Are we taking bets on this? I have 100 on WD...

[PEZi]

beat it Ant

NO I WILL NOT MASTURBATE FOR YOU!!!

p.s. i didn't see it mentioned anywhere... but is the KA single slammer? i hope so... that would make this an EPIC WIN for KA-T!!!

[AZ89two4Tsx]

^ It's not.

IIRC, this is going into WD's S14 too.

[sldewyz]

rich ill help u if u put on more parts...

i just sold my hatch which saddens me really bad...i miss it already.

i need an sr to work on son!

hollar at me fool

[Koshin]

Im not straying far from what Im running now...

with 270cc injectors...even with a big turbo and meth inj, its gonna be tough to make any significant power...

Ive seen this done gentlemen...

...only time will tell....everyone get your money out

Mike, my car is wicked sloe huh?

yeah, he'll tell you huys how slow it is...

[MellowZ32]

^ I've got $5 on this h0m0 and his silvia

[Papi Chulo]

$5 dollars on KAt

^ I've got $5 on this h0m0 and his silvia

bet confirmation?

I accept paypal.

[WDRacing]

with 270cc injectors...even with a big turbo and meth inj, its gonna be tough to make any significant power...

Depending on what type of meth injection we're talking about, I could make 500whp with the stock 270's. It all depends on the controller and nozzles.

Anyway, 270s won't make crap for power at 35psi of fuel pressure. But at 110 psi they will make quite a bit If I run into fueling issues I'll just add a CSI or 2

WD

[Koshin]

yeah WD, I think your only issue will be fueling at this point...Id just be scared of leaning out....but you can avoid that....

this is going to be an interesting 'bout...

Im even gonna spend a few bucks on some things just to ensue myself victorious, but I want to see what kind of progress you make with your first...

I DO want to keep it with in reason...even if I peddle you at the big end

[Koshin]

You may not own a drag car, but you're challenging someone to a drag race. You'll have to come better prepared than just radials if he's bringing slicks.

I didnt really challenge anyone...it was just an agreement between two gentlemen, both of us were definitely down with the concept...

WD, are you in-fact planning on running a full slick? 8.5 or 9.5? or what?

if so, I may want to place monies into full slicks instead of radials

FP, good call on the slicks fool

[flohtingPoint]

I didnt really challenge anyone...it was just an agreement between two gentlemen, both of us were definitely down with the concept...

WD, are you in-fact planning on running a full slick? 8.5 or 9.5? or what?

if so, I may want to place monies into full slicks instead of radials

FP, good call on the slicks fool

If you aren't already, get affiliated with your local motorsports boards (the people that actually compete in events, not the run of the mill "tuner boards" we all have in our areas). You can probably pick up some used slicks for pennies on the dollar and you wont have to shave/heat cycle them. Since you'll only be making a few passes, you can get some beat-up ones for quite cheap.

I assume when you say Bee*R, you have launch control, much like the system I had in my GTiR. I'd throw the tires on some wheels you have laying around the house, toss them on your car, light them up and then practice a few launches to see where your optimum grip with them is at. Just be careful to change tires right after (on site preferably) as you want as little street driving as possible on them.

It's too bad all the drag strips are closed, as your 60' will be key here. Since you're both doing an 1/8th mile from what I've read, this will be the decider. You're really going to want to practice how much to ride your clutch while launching, but this is very hard to do w/out raw data to analyze. If you have any friends that are chairmen for regional autocrosses (or are friends with said chairman), you can probably borrow their timing equipment. You're going to want as much seat time in this data gathering session as possible.

It's too bad you dont live in the DC area, as I rent garage space from a regional chairman and have access to corner balancing and timing equipment.
Modified by flohtingPoint at 3:42 PM 12/16/2009

[Koshin]

yes....a Bee*R power builder

Im gonna pick some up from my buddy who owns a race shop in Brownsburg, Indiana...I just spoke to him

I have access to a corner balancer at an F1 shop in Brownsburg as well, they are some of my customers at work...they set my car up earlier this season for some track time...

I just need to practice launching on slicks....thats all, beyond that Im not to concerned...

Im gonna pour the bottle to mine for this race with WD

[Koshin]

"In this corner from the land of the Rising Sun, weighing in at 2200 lbs."

[WDRacing]

I'm just going to use a 255 BFG drag radial, no slicks.

Just so you know, I'm down with you altering your build. But if you do I'm using my Nitrous Express Progressive system. I mean...I'm using a damn FMU and stock injectors, if you're scared just say so

I may be on a budget, but I have lots of things in my garage and I can make enough power to throw all 4 rods if I choose to.

The point of this is for me to make as much power as I can with just a FMU though. So I'm trying not to step outside of that box as much as possible. But if you make changes, then so will I

[DrifterXRPS13]

i don't know if you got my email or not brian but i'd be willing to let you borrow my ecu/maf/turbo if you decide to change and or deviate from your setup...just a thought.

[Koshin]

WD, Im not gonna use nitrous...an I have nothing to fear

the whole defile the whole point of this whole exercise...

I offered up my stock SR injectors for you to use as well B...I know what youre doing and sounds like its should be potent...I am using S15 injectors, Z32 MAF and a different turbo which weve already talked about...beyond that, Im pretty stock....just tons on monies in suspension

I wasnt sure if you were running a full slick or not...how much difference at the power were gonna be making is a slick as opposed to a radial?

on higher output cars I imagine it would be a large difference but at 300 whp Im not so sure

[flohtingPoint]

"In this corner from the land of the Rising Sun, weighing in at 2200 lbs."

Is that a guesstimate? 2200 is pretty light for that car, damned light even. My buddy's Prepped class SCCA S30 is 2100 and thats with fully gutted interior and Lexan. How did you drop 350-400 lbs?

I can see the car weighing that little if you had one seat, no interior, no dash, blower gone, AC gone, side impact cut out, Lexan windows with crank and bumper removal.
Modified by flohtingPoint at 4:44 PM 12/16/2009

[Koshin]

the JDM K's cars are only 2380 range (they are actually much lighter than USDM counterparts)....I gutted a lot of the sound deadening material and everything else I didnt need, that paired with seats/wheels/suspension makes a big difference...I hate to put a cage in it becasue of weight but it needs one...

It was weighed in the Spring 2204 lbs at Panther Racing...thats was track prepped (racing buckets installed)

you dont need to make huge power if you dont weigh anything
Modified by Koshin at 11:51 AM 12/16/2009

[flohtingPoint]

the JDM K's cars are only 2380 range (they are actually much lighter than USDM counterparts)....I gutted a lot of the sound deadening material and everything else I didnt need, that paired with seats/wheels/suspension makes a big difference...I hate to put a cage in it becasue of weight but it needs one...

It was weighed in the Spring 2204 lbs at Panther Racing...thats was track prepped (racing buckets installed)

you dont need to make huge power if you dont weigh anything

Odd, my Q I had when I was stationed in Japan was around 1130 kg (roughly 2500 lbs) and that's w/out the extra weight from turbo and such. I never put a K on a scale, and the only reason I did my Q was because I was seeing how much some goods I had weighted for shipping reimbursement from the DoD.

[Koshin]

I read something somewhere that SOME of the K's cars were lighter than the rest...my car came with Club K's emblems on it...I dont if this has something to do with it?? the CLub K's supposedly were pretty stripped down K cars, no leather, sunroof, etc.

I cannot confirm this, but I do know how much my car weighs

Ive often wondered how close the Manu curb weight numbers are anyways...no car that I have ever seen on scales weighs what its supposed to

[Koshin]

another interesting tidbit of info, I have a buddy who has an s13 Q's car and his weighs more than mine...

I know a couple of guys with R32 GTRs, different years, but same trim level and those cars are like 170 lbs off from each other...same scales mine was on

[WDRacing]

I wasnt sure if you were running a full slick or not...how much difference at the power were gonna be making is a slick as opposed to a radial?

on higher output cars I imagine it would be a large difference but at 300 whp Im not so sure

The real difference is the size and type of the drag radial/slick. If you run a 15" 275/60 radial you should hook pretty hard. So I see no need to step to a full slick. But if you're running a 255/50 (like me) you have alot less "squat" on the launch. But I don't have the money for a set of alum wheels and big drag radials...or else I would definitly run a 275/60.

I have a set of 42lb injectors and I contemplated running those with a hacked MAF setup. I still might if the FMU doesn't work out well. We'll see what happens when I get everything rewired and actually running. Lots of time between now and then.

[Koshin]

we've got plenty of time....I would just be concerned boosting much on stock injectors....that would be my whole thing with what youre doing

[initial_jc]

900 bucks donating plasma? mmm i'd like to know more about this

/ threadjack

I hope the SR whoops on the KAT

[flohtingPoint]

I read something somewhere that SOME of the K's cars were lighter than the rest...my car came with Club K's emblems on it...I dont if this has something to do with it?? the CLub K's supposedly were pretty stripped down K cars, no leather, sunroof, etc.

I cannot confirm this, but I do know how much my car weighs

Ive often wondered how close the Manu curb weight numbers are anyways...no car that I have ever seen on scales weighs what its supposed to

Interesting. I wasn't doubting you, as like I said, I never weighed any K, just my Q. My car was on DoD scales, so who knows how well calibrated they were too, with as much usage that has been put on them.

By chance, can you snap a pic of your door stamp? I'd love to see the stock numbers on the car.

On a side note, my 200sx weighted around 100 lbs less than a 240sx hatch. I was never able to weigh it against one that had a CA in it, so I dont know how much the numbers get tossed around comparing a CA (in stock trim) to a KA-E in terms of weight.

[Koshin]

I will get you a pic of the inside door sticker in a bit...Ill post it here

Ive never looked to see if its still there...I know the GLorias is still all in tact

Ill take a peek

and I understand that you werent doubting me, I have had others be a little skepticle of the weight of it as well...I was surprised when I saw it too...thats when I started digging for info on the Club K's

[float_6969]

I believe it. My old S13 was stupid light for some reason. Manufacture date was late '89. After swapping in a KA and going to a Silvia conversion, I lost so much weight off the front of the car I actually was running a couple of degree's of POSITIVE camber for a while. I had to cut the springs to get it back to STOCK ride height so it would drive worth a crap till I could get springs on it.

When I weighed it with full dash, 2 front seats, no carpet, or interior from the rear seats back, FULL tank of gas, and me sitting in it (about 190lbs at the time) it came in at just under 2600lbs.

I think I could have easily gotten the car down to 2200lbs wet and still had glass in it.

[Koshin]

yeah...and the US cars are heavier right from the get go than the JDM cars

[sldewyz]

yes....a Bee*R power builder

Im gonna pick some up from my buddy who owns a race shop in Brownsburg, Indiana...I just spoke to him

I have access to a corner balancer at an F1 shop in Brownsburg as well, they are some of my customers at work...they set my car up earlier this season for some track time...

I just need to practice launching on slicks....thats all, beyond that Im not to concerned...

Im gonna pour the bottle to mine for this race with WD

whoa whoa whoa....what shop has the bee r??? explain yo self fool