I can't decide....ps2 or xbox

[MainEvent212]

GC=integra...cheap, mediocre fun, reliable and just OK

XBOX=BMW M5...super powerful, super expensive, all in all isnt the best but it's a great one to have for certain times...

PS2=nissan silvia :ylsuper...best all around, decent graphics, good game selection, replay value is the best, tried and true. and always #1

[50AEZ31]

Xbox is OWNED by PS2...Ps2 hands down dude...haha

[maxI30t]

GC=integra...cheap, mediocre fun, reliable and just OK

XBOX=BMW M5...super powerful, super expensive, all in all isnt the best but it's a great one to have for certain times...

PS2=nissan silvia :ylsuper...best all around, decent graphics, good game selection, replay value is the best, tried and true. and always #1

dude how can you compare game systems to cars?!?!

i had (xbox died on me) all three systems and GC's graphics is just as good as xbox. i've seen the playing graphics for metriod prime and to be honest it rivals halo. i know nintendo gets bashed a lot about they're choice in games, but you have to remember that nintendo has been around for awhile. their main market is parents and kids 13 & under. they can't just go out and port anything like sony and xbox, that would do serious damage to their image.

i will give credit where its due...xbox is the most powerful out the three systems. but if you haven't notice yet most of the games on it only uses 60-70 of its ability. for example EA madden 2003...do you really think they're gonna spend more money/time to design a better version of the game for MS. no...they're gonna port it over from the ps2 and thats that. does xbox have the ability to create stunning graphics?...yes. do you see any difference between the graphics?...most cases no. madden is not the only one...i can list 4-5 more games just like it. another thing xbox lacks is a solid RPG...MS underestimated how popular RPG's are and they're paying for it. from what i can tell their strategy was to flex the xbox's muscles and pound sony with its online capabilities. they lack the support from 3rd party developers like Capcom, SquareEnix, Konami some of the big heavy hitters in the business. other than halo...you have to deal with spyhunter, bloodwake, rocky, odd world, outlaw volleyball, c'mon who are they trying to fool. if you wanna talk about exclusive games, how many solid games are on the xbox? halo, panzer dragoon orta... how many solid games on GC? zelda, metroid prime, Mario, megaman net trans, dreadful joe, sonic; see it yet? and about DVD capabilities....you don't have it unless you purchase a payback kit (29.99). you guys might not know it but the xbox is only popular in the states. but in Europe, and Japan is gettin killed; the GC and PS2 is like bread and butter to them.

so i have to agree with smoothcriminal on this. the GC might be a "gay" system (lol) but its the best bang for the buck. spec-v i haven't seen EA pull out of nintendo yet; as a matter of fact i've only seen it increase with the porting of Sims and medal of honor to the GBA. and if thats true,IMO, EA would be shooting themself in the foot for pulling out of nintendo now especially with sales on the rise. 3rd party developers? the contract Square has with sony is gonna end with the release of FF12 i hear they're going to Nintendo next.

[spec-v5150]

umm read a magazine. I know for a fact sega has pulled all sports games ad did EA and they may have pulled other games..not sure, but I know for a fact the sports games were pulled. And you must be joking if you think Final Fantays 12 will go to Nintenod or any REAL final fantasy after. LOL Finla Fantays has traditionally been a one console game. 1st SOny own 20% of Sqaure, now that coudl have changed since the merger with enix, but do you really think Sqaure will say oh forget the HUGE userbase and dedicated fans who, some of them bought PS2's just for Final Fantays, and go to GAmecbe or the equivalent machine next generation. I doubt it. Sqaure wanted back on Nntendo for GBA purposes. That thing is a money machine. Sure Xbox lacks the support but when is the last time Capcom made a truly rivetign game.....devil may cry 1??? Really it comes down to what games you liek most. I am gettign away from traditional RPG's (ala final fantasy) and leaning more toweards the PC type RPG's that the XBoox is getting. I play mostly FPS, 3rd person shooters and sports games. All of those are on both systems but to me it is a better experince on xbox. You really cant go wrong with either system. Both have strong points.

[jdmfreak]

Well I got GC and PS2 and as previously stated, The GC is perfect for all around fun over and over while PS2 is great for its RPGs/racing and many more genres. I own all in SSB Melee and Im damn proud of it. Granted It is the least played system in the house, but it wont be forgotten. I especially enjoyed Sonic on the GC. As of right now I just beat FFX and just started X2. Cant wait for GT4. There way more titles for the PS2 that I enjoy than on the XBox. I do want an XBox, but I aint gonna pay for it. Hopefully my parents will get for Christmas or 1 of my lil bros. birthdays.

[SmoothCriminal]

Thats it...the HOLIDAY season. From a hardcore gamers standpoint, the GC doeesnt have enough to warrant a purchase. It will be harder to get any quality sports games (EA stopped as did Sega). GC is a good purchase if you like Nintendo games but timesplitters as a nice exclusive....LOL Halo owns that game everyday of the week. Nintneod quality over quantity..........they feed that BS, but I hae played som crappy ****...liek Kobe Bryants asketball game....that was a Nintendo product....I think overall the GC is a lackluster system that is lacking in the features and game department. I own one, but it never gets played...so I am not completely hating....have to have a system my wife feels comfortable playing ala mario sunshine

::HURLS:: need........my.........Relpax......

A dose of reality would be good for you - no system is immune to crappy games. Generally speaking though, many of the XBox games are either multi-platform games that are available on all systems or direct PC-ports. Give me a list of great XBox exclusives not-named Halo (which has a PC version). If you'd set aside your bias and open your eyes you might realize that the PS2 and XBox libraries have more crappy games - and Sony's made no secrets about it.

It'd be an economic faux paus for EA to halt production of GC titles especially since there are now more Gamecubes in American households than XBox's. The XBox has been a major flop in Japan and surely this will hurt third-party support from Japan. Working Designs, Konami and Capcom are a few of the third-party heavyweights set to release Gamecube titles in the upcoming year. History has dictated that there can only be two major console systems hawking the vg market - Atari/NES, SNES/Genesis, PS/N64. The market is polarizing and with GC's selling on par with the PS2 this holiday season, you'll see less confidence, consumer/developer and otherwise, in the XBox. It lacks the sheer volume of the PS2 library and the Gamecube owns the children's sector.

With the difference I'd save buying an GC over a XBox, I could buy two decent Sony DVD players. That's not considering the playback kit you'd have to shell out $40 for. No one mentioned the Gamecube's hardware either. You could give the GC a run through the carwash and use it as a footstool and the thing would still run. It seems that with all the XBox buyers complaining about hardware reliability that XBox's break about as easy as Taco's on Oprah Winfrey's face.

True that Gamecube has a limited library for now, but it'll be a shortwhile before more and more developers are jumping on the GC bandwagon. You should know that by now, afterall they've been in this business for....oh....just a little over twenty years now.

[spec-v5150]

LOL close minded...I own all three systems man. I gave MY assessment of the question at hand. Before you come at me with jargon, read on the internet. EA halted all prodcution of EA Sports games at the minumum, I am not sure about other genres..Sega sports did the same. I wont assume who has more consoles int he home but in America, the market share is as such PS2, Xbox, GC. I dont know how the market share is calculated, but that is how it is. And who pays 40.00 for DVD playback?? the remote/adpter is 29.99 and the xbox owns PS2 DVD playback feature for feature. That is semantics fanboy. You have to shell out 40 bucks to take the PS2 online, so what is the difference???

Doesnt matter who has more exclusive titles. Besides GT andFinal Fantasy, no other "exclusive games" get me all in a bunch to own a PS2. Thats just my assessment. IF you think the GC is REALLY dong that good, you need to read up. nintneod has been gettign by for awhile now on GBA sales, not GC related stuff. All on the internet man, search before you come with your "bias" opinions. I play my GC every once a blue moon. It collects more dust than anything else. I just think it is hass less to offer than the Xbox or PS2 in features, games and online aspects.

[spec-v5150]

I cant search through alto fo gaming sites at work, so i will back up my claims when I get home. And you are wrong. 3 consoles DID co-exist. Dreamcast, PSX/PS2 and N64. And dont go on about the dreamcast failing. That thing failed because Sega sucks at marketing. Sega was born to make games, not sell consoles. And if you look back at that same history, companies tried to crack open a third console but didnt have the power and money of MS. MS can afford to make its product the best on the market and lose $75 bucks on each console sold. Companies like 3DO and Neo-Geo couldnt. They wanted to be the best on the market but that came at the exspense of $700-900 consoles. HUGE price difference. I just give my honesy assessment. I consider myself a hardcore gamer before anything (except family). Next generation, I will own all three consoles. Who knows things may turn around for Nintendo, but too many bad decisions have hurt them. For example, By them going with the mini disc, if they DO decide to follow trend and go to DVD, what happens to backawards compatibility??? A strong selling point MS and Sony will most likely have. Honestly every since Sqaure left, Nintendo has had a perverbial stick up there ***. N64 was dominated by 1st and 2nd party games. Same as GC. Remember how resident evil was supposed ot be som saving grace. Too bad the new ones sold like ***. Some companies will always have multi platofrom games. That is how they make their money. But winnign console wars and aining market shares comes down to 1st and 2nd party games and extra features and now online capability. I think all 3 consoles can co-exists, but Nintendo will always be last unless they get their **** straight. Touting their game as a real game console is great in a pefect orld, but nowadays bang for the buck is where it is at

[SmoothCriminal]

All on the internet man, search before you come with your "bias" opinions.

Your thoughts and opinions are music to my ears... I strongly suggest you take your own advice here.

From FORBES: "Sales of Nintendo's Gamecube videogame console exploded in the month of November, selling 750,000 units. The sales explosion comes on the heels of Nintendo's decision to slash MSRP of their entertainment system to $99.00. The increase marked Nintendo's thumping of Microsoft's XBox unit which moved roughly 485,000 during the same time span. Despite Nintendo's rise, Sony is still the big kid on the block and sold a mind-numbing 840,000 consoles."

Another article right here on the Internet...

From IGN: " (For the month of October) Nintendo today announced that sales of its GameCube have quadrupled since the system's price reduction to $99.99. The company did not provide specific sell-through data."

And another....

From BSRT: "Nintendo's next-generation videogame console, Gamecube, has been flying off store shelves. Since the dramatic price cut, sales have jumped by 420% and the company is predicted to sell more than one million units in the month of December alone."

And another...

Gamecube sales explode in Japan

And another...

Nintendo sees big boost in UK

And...well...you get the point...

To illustrate how bleak XBox sales performance is in Japan, PSOne outsells the XBox over there. MS execs have even discussed the option of pulling out of Asia entirely.

Bias? You're the one who claimed that the only game worth playing on GC is Super Smash Brothers Melee. I beg to differ, I think they have plenty of great titles. Maybe you're just to "good" for them?

The Dreamcast existing with with PS1 and N64? First of all, the Dreamcast was supposed to be Sega's entrant into the next-generation foray, competing with PS2, XBox and GC. Though it was a truly great system with some great games and was the first to pioneer console online multiplayer gaming, it suffered because of a number of reasons.

First and foremost, Sega pulled the trigger and released the system early because it very well knew its system would be technologically inferior to Sony, Nintendo, MS offerings. This came at a time when Sega's image had been tarnished- Sega CD, Saturn left many gamers disenchanted with the Sega name.

Second, because their reputation had fallen and the Saturn's horrible development tools, they had lost lots of third-party support which resulted in mediocre third-party support here in the States.

You claim the Gamecube will be left in the dust but as those sales figures show you, it's pulling ahead of the XBox. Essentially, the PS2 and XBox are competing for the same market share while Nintendo has carved a comfortable niche for itself. Ever wonder why the Mac doesn't completely die out? Two words for ya: Loyalty and quality.

There's been a backlash against the XBox's reliability and one need not search further than internet discussion boards.

[spec-v5150]

LOL okay you are mentioning holiday surges in those links. Good find. However post the same links of how Nintendo just started the production of GC's again (may have been a few months ago) because GC's were sitting on toy shelves. The holiay surge is nice, but go back to 2001 to now. GC has failed in every aspect according to industry analysts and nintendo themselves. It is also worth noting that right now XBox has PS2 AND GC beat with a 5.4:1 games sold to hardware sold ratio. Mind you that is a record for a console. Not tooo shabby for the console that is doomed to failure.........I mean what do you ecpext. PS2 and Xbox are 179, GC is 99. As a parent which one would you get for your kid who didint have any consoles or had an Xbox or PS2 already??? Does that change the fact that 80% of the games on GC either blow balls or can be had on another system??? In overall sales, GC is STILL last EVEN if they sell 1 million units this month. If your only arguement is going to be how many units they move during the holidays, then hang it up man.

[90Q45blue]

I think a point that is worth making is that with the recent price slashes (179.99 xbox/ps2, 99.99 gc), that both Microsoft and Nintendo lose money on every console they sell. The significance of selling more units is that they get to sell more games, which give them around a 200% profit per new release sold (aka $50 game).

My problem with the Playstation is that Sony needed to come out with a PS 3 last year. The Xbox is far advanced in speed, graphics, compatibility, online gaming, etc. The fact that the Xbox rules in online gaming makes it the frontrunner to succeed. Online gaming on consoles is one of the fastest growing gaming trends over the past 3 years, with Microsoft leading the way. Also, Sony billed the PS2 as a DVD player/gaming console...as does Microsoft with their Xbox. The problem is that the PS2 is terrible for playing movies. It skips, you lose 2-3 fps and, as DVD player quality has increased, Sony's shortcomings have become more noticeable.

As for the Gamecube, they have some of the funnest games to play with your friends. Here's my problem with GC, the graphics aren't anything to shout about, certainly inferior to Xbox. There is no online gaming capability. They are seriously lacking in original titles marketed toward the 18-28yo range. They have come out with no "new" games for the most part. Mario Party, Smash and Mario Kart sequels don't count. That's just saying, "look how cool this game looks now on our new system. Pay $50 to watch."

Anyways, ultimately each console fills a niche and thrives there. Nintendo's problem is that they haven't accepted their niche yet. Microsoft's niche will boom in the coming years, and Sony's will fall if Microsoft gets the same titles Sony does (btw, Square Enix is developing a FF game for Xbox).

Nick

[spec-v5150]

I think a point that is worth making is that with the recent price slashes (179.99 xbox/ps2, 99.99 gc), that both Microsoft and Nintendo lose money on every console they sell. The significance of selling more units is that they get to sell more games, which give them around a 200% profit per new release sold (aka $50 game).

My problem with the Playstation is that Sony needed to come out with a PS 3 last year. The Xbox is far advanced in speed, player/gaming console...as does Microsoft with their Xbox. The problem is that the PS2 is terrible for playing movies. It skips, you lose 2-3 fps and, as DVD player quality has increased, Sony's shortcomings have become more noticeable.

As for the Gamecube, they have some of the funnest games to play with your friends. Here's my problem with GC, the graphics aren't anything to shout about, certainly inferior to Xbox. There is no online gaming capability. They are seriously lacking in original titles marketed toward the 18-28yo range. They have come out with no "new" games for the most part. Mario Party, Smash and Mario Kart sequels don't count. That's just saying, "look how cool this game looks now on our new system. Pay $50 to watch."

Anyways, ultimately each console fills a niche and thrives there. Nintendo's problem is that they haven't accepted their niche yet. Microsoft's niche will boom in the coming years, and Sony's will fall if Microsoft gets the same titles Sony does (btw, Square Enix is developing a FF game for Xbox).graphics, compatibility, online gaming, etc. The fact that the Xbox rules in online gaming makes it the frontrunner to succeed. Online gaming on consoles is one of the fastest growing gaming trends over the past 3 years, with Microsoft leading the way. Also, Sony billed the PS2 as a DVD Nick

That squae/enix developemtn is news ot me. I know Square had a Xbox developemtn kit for the longest. It doesnt help that Sony is releasing the HDD WAAAAAAAY to late. It wont be compatible with the 300 or 500 or however many games that are out now. PS3 isnt even slated to begin production until 2005 I beleive. And I will agree that the DVD player on PS2 sucks. That is a last resort to watch movies on. It has one speed for fast forward/rewind. :rolleyes

[90Q45blue]

Plus, the xbox will still run circles around the ps2 hdd in loading and saving speed. also, there are reports that some of the older ps2's won't be able to handle the hdd for long.

Nick

[spec-v5150]

To illustrate how bleak XBox sales performance is in Japan, PSOne outsells the XBox over there. MS execs have even discussed the option of pulling out of Asia entirely.

Bias? You're the one who claimed that the only game worth playing on GC is Super Smash Brothers Melee. I beg to differ, I think they have plenty of great titles. Maybe you're just to "good" for them?

The Dreamcast existing with with PS1 and N64? First of all, the Dreamcast was supposed to be Sega's entrant into the next-generation foray, competing with PS2, XBox and GC. Though it was a truly great system with some great games and was the first to pioneer console online multiplayer gaming, it suffered because of a number of reasons.

First and foremost, Sega pulled the trigger and released the system early because it very well knew its system would be technologically inferior to Sony, Nintendo, MS offerings. This came at a time when Sega's image had been tarnished- Sega CD, Saturn left many gamers disenchanted with the Sega name.

Second, because their reputation had fallen and the Saturn's horrible development tools, they had lost lots of third-party support which resulted in mediocre third-party support here in the States.

You claim the Gamecube will be left in the dust but as those sales figures show you, it's pulling ahead of the XBox. Essentially, the PS2 and XBox are competing for the same market share while Nintendo has carved a comfortable niche for itself. Ever wonder why the Mac doesn't completely die out? Two words for ya: Loyalty and quality.

There's been a backlash against the XBox's reliability and one need not search further than internet discussion boards.

You are kidding right??? Man PS2 had THE most talked about quality problems with its consoles since I can remember. I was chattign with guy when I was sending in my PS2 for a seond time (hmmm imagine that) and he said they were swapmped with PS2's. Also, MS DOES offer a 2 year extended warranty for 49.99, a first for consoles. I am not too good to play rehashed games over and over and over and over and over. MArio Party (hmm IO played the first couple, is it REALLY that different on GC. Same with Mario Kart). I admit super smash brothers is fun as ****, but come oen Mario. The platforming genre is STALE and the newer games have spiced it up especially jak and Daxter 2. In overall sales, GC is not pullign ahead of Xbox. Get a linka dn I will beleive it. Xbox and PS2 had too big of a lead over it. And it doesnt matter WHEN sega launched the DC or who it was supposed to compete with, MY arguement was that THREE systems were co-existing for awhile at one point in time. And i further backed that up with examples of other consoles that tried to hard and failed for that exact reason

[90Q45blue]

Ever wonder why the Mac doesn't completely die out? Two words for ya: Loyalty and quality.

Actually those 2 words should be: Bill and Gates.

One of the largest investors in Apple.

[SmoothCriminal]

In overall sales, GC is STILL last EVEN if they sell 1 million units this month. If your only arguement is going to be how many units they move during the holidays, then hang it up man.

"Hey look at me! I'm SpecV, Mr. Controversy! The Gaycube and its games blow balls! I'm a hardcore gamer, been playing since I popped out the chute. I'm the hardest-core gamer on the face of the Earth and you're a Nintendo testicle tarzan! I'm SpecV, look at me!!!"

Have you taken your ritalin tablets today? How and when will reality penetrate that thick dome of yours? After reading that mess you typed up, I'm seriously fighting the urge the track down your English teacher and mangle him/her.

Let's look at some cold, hard facts shall we? As a matter of fact, Gamecube sales eclipsed XBox sales since September. I'll try to spell it out nice and easy for you: Estimated Installed Base as of September 2003- Nintendo (9,550,000), XBox(9,400,000). Thus Gamecube>XBox. Note these numbers are before the Nintendo price-cut. No matter how you slice it, there are more GC's out there. Here's the article....URL=http://www.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7/]World Sales Figures[/URL]

Reports indicate that software sales have grown exponentially. As we speak, Super Mario Kart Double Dash is dominating the monthly top ten best-selling console games list, selling 530,000 units in November. The Xbox having a higher software-hardware ratio than PS2? K, now you're trippin' homeboy cuz from January to August 2002, it had a 6.1:1 ratio and 7.1:1 ratio from January to August 2003 while the Xbox record 4.8:1 and 5.8:1 respectively.

As well as releasing information on sales and respondent cross-platform activity, information on the top selling titles for January 2003 - August 2003 were released. Three Nintendo titles were in the top ten (Pokemon Ruby at #2, The Wind Waker at #3, and Pokemon Sapphire at #4), seven PlayStation 2 titles were in the top ten (Madden NFL 2004 at #1, Enter The Matrix at #5, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City at #6, The Getaway at #7, NBA Street Vol. 2 at #8, The Sims at #9 and NCAA Football 2004 at #10) and zero Xbox titles were in the top ten.

[SmoothCriminal]

My problem with the Playstation is that Sony needed to come out with a PS 3 last year. The Xbox is far advanced in speed, graphics, compatibility, online gaming, etc.

Nick

Right...and go the way of Sega. Release a system, sell it for $299.99 and render it obsolete by releasing a more powerful version one year later. Yeah, I'm sure PS2 owners would just love that.

Actually those 2 words should be: Bill and Gates.

One of the largest investors in Apple.

Oh yeah! I wake up every morning just dying to fatten up Billy Gates' wallet! Woo hoo!! ::goes out and hawks a new G5::

But you know what guys? You're right. What was I thinking? The XBox smokes the "Gaycube" and PS2 on the Frito Lay promotion alone. Now if Nintendo had given us a "Futo Maki Sushi" dish garnished with mushroom Shiitake I would have happily given the nod to Nintendo.

[bdawg46]

just get a ps2... u cant go wrong with it and u wont regret it. altho i wouldnt ever discard my xbox... but IF (and it will never happen) Halo and Halo II were on the ps2, there really wouldnt be too much of a point to have an xbox, i leave the GC out of it cuz all it can do is play games, my ps2 is my dvd player so it works out quite nicely

[D-UNIT]

You know what is weird? Just today I saw a whole bunch of kids still snacthing up a whole lotta used PS1's for 20-30 bucks.

All I can say is Grand Turismo 4. I played the Prologue Edition and it is OMG freaking awesome. The Grand Canyon rally track is crazy. It's actually a one lane course , not like GT3's race track width dirt courses. There are also people on the track snapping pictures , and moving out of the way at the last second. Just like real life. Xbox doesn't have GT. The New york track is bad a$$ too. All the banners and neons in Times Square move and flash. The track detail and depth are unbelievable for PS2. But the cars still look the same (for now)(not a bad thing). Put it this way! GT3 looks like Gameboy Advance compared to GT4!

With that said I like xbox too. I don't have one but my friend mods them. He yanks the 10 gig HD and puts in a 160 gig HD inside. And since you can burn games onto the HD all you have to do is borrow or rent. He has like twenty somthing games stored that you can play without the disc. He also can store movies on it and watch them anytime. He has Matrix : Revoltions and all three Lord of the Rings movies. Lets not forget hacked games. You all know D.O.A. extreme beach volleyball right!?! Well how bout NUDE D.O.A. volleyball , and you thought the graphics were good before. It shows EVERYTHING. < call it perverse or childish , but if you saw it , you would play it! Believe me! Come on now , D.O.A. chicks bouncing around playing volleyball naked! For that I cannot knock the Xbox. The modabilty of an Xbox it is awesome. I would never buy a stock one , but if I could get my hairy palms on one of my friends modded one's , It's mine!

All I can do on my PS2 is play burned games. On GC you can't do anything fun. Xbox wins hands down ( or up and down) in the break the law category. No other console can touch it , but it still doesn't have GT4.

[TurboKA37]

smoothcriminal: i think you need to settle down for a minute and take a look at what you are getting all worked up about. consoles breaking down really shouldnt make that much of a difference because all of the systems have been out long enough for the hardware bugs to be worked out and all systems will eventually break if you treat them poorly. my xbox sits on the self and never moves and ive never had a problem with the xbox, nor have i any of my friends, and ive never had problems with any consoles ive owned. i guess i can kinda see some of you ps2 enthusiast view because your into the RPG type games which ps2 has a lot of good games in the genre. but most of the games that you guys are arguing over i have never heard of nor do i have any interest in. im convinced the reason the xbox doesnt sell too well over in japan is due to the manufactuer. i think the japanese like to stick with sony because it is their domestic company and everybody over there is into the PS already so they didnt want to stray away from a company that was working for them. i think if you put the sony name on the xbox and vise-versa, the xbox would take the sells overseas. also i dont kno why you guys are say halo is the only decent exclusive for xbox. i am into racing and FPS mostly and id say about 3/4 of the games i own are all exclusives for xbox. if you into racing games (which most of us are) you cant go wrong with xbox. there is such a wide variety of quality racing games for xbox it is amazing. sure ps2 has gt series but the wide variety of racing games for xbox provides plenty of entertainment to keep you bussy with different styles of racing.

[jdmfreak]

Hmmmm.....How much do those modded Boxes cost?

[jdmfreak]

Oh and where can you get the D.O.A. game wit the naked chicks.

[D-UNIT]

That's a good question. I really love playing around on his one , but I never really considered buying one. Only cuz it's "XBOX"!! HAHA. I'll find out tommorrow! But for now , worry about the task at hand. LMAO!!!

[spec-v5150]

"Hey look at me! I'm SpecV, Mr. Controversy! The Gaycube and its games blow balls! I'm a hardcore gamer, been playing since I popped out the chute. I'm the hardest-core gamer on the face of the Earth and you're a Nintendo testicle tarzan! I'm SpecV, look at me!!!"

Have you taken your ritalin tablets today? How and when will reality penetrate that thick dome of yours? After reading that mess you typed up, I'm seriously fighting the urge the track down your English teacher and mangle him/her.

Let's look at some cold, hard facts shall we? As a matter of fact, Gamecube sales eclipsed XBox sales since September. I'll try to spell it out nice and easy for you: Estimated Installed Base as of September 2003- Nintendo (9,550,000), XBox(9,400,000). Thus Gamecube>XBox. Note these numbers are before the Nintendo price-cut. No matter how you slice it, there are more GC's out there. Here's the article....URL=http://www.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7/]World Sales Figures[/URL]

Reports indicate that software sales have grown exponentially. As we speak, Super Mario Kart Double Dash is dominating the monthly top ten best-selling console games list, selling 530,000 units in November. The Xbox having a higher software-hardware ratio than PS2? K, now you're trippin' homeboy cuz from January to August 2002, it had a 6.1:1 ratio and 7.1:1 ratio from January to August 2003 while the Xbox record 4.8:1 and 5.8:1 respectively.

As well as releasing information on sales and respondent cross-platform activity, information on the top selling titles for January 2003 - August 2003 were released. Three Nintendo titles were in the top ten (Pokemon Ruby at #2, The Wind Waker at #3, and Pokemon Sapphire at #4), seven PlayStation 2 titles were in the top ten (Madden NFL 2004 at #1, Enter The Matrix at #5, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City at #6, The Getaway at #7, NBA Street Vol. 2 at #8, The Sims at #9 and NCAA Football 2004 at #10) and zero Xbox titles were in the top ten.

Please find my english teahcer. Please find my college english teacher too, the class I got a A in. IF you are questioning my intelligence or ability to speak over a lame as arguement because you are a gamecube fanboy and nothign else, then we see your maturity. I aksed for links and you gave them. Thank you, but to question a person education....how old are you....15??? So the GC is beating the xbox by hundred fifty thousand units. Do you see developers flocking to GC.....LOL NO!! OMG they have a HUGE user base, must make games. Its funny, there are more installed PS2's than Xboxes and of the seven titles you listed, seven are availalbe one Xbox. Which makes sense, PS2 has ALOT more users. Xbox DID set a record with 5.4:1 games to harware ratio. So you proved it ha not sustained that record but it DID set it

[SmoothCriminal]

english teahcerover a lame as arguementnothign elseharware ratioit ha not sustained

count 'em...SEVEN spelling errors and countless grammar errors to boot. I'm not questioning your intelligence, but please do humanity a favor and use a spell-check.

IF you are questioning my intelligence or ability to speak over a lame as arguement because you are a gamecube fanboy and nothign else, then we see your maturity. ..how old are you....15???

If you don't know how ridiculous you sound, then you're a lost cause. You accuse me of being a Gamecube fanboy (which I'm not, I've made convincing arguments on the part of the PS2 as well) and use three and four letter words without abandon. I merely suggested that the GC is a worthy option because for $99.99 it's a steal, but oh no, you had to disparage the system, calling it "gayer," "gayest," and all it's games "blow balls." What kind of adult, heck, what kind of rational human being does that?

Metroid Prime, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, SSBM, Mario Kart Double Dash, Zelda: Wind Wakers, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Viewtiful Joe, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, F-Zero GX, KAR, Dragon's Lair 3D, Haunted Mansion, Tak and the Power of JuJu are just some of the quality Gamecube-exclusive games out there. Personally, I think game stables aren't as good as they used to be and the GC's as good as any.

The XBox's technical superiority looks gravy on paper but a case could be made Metroid Prime having the best graphics for any console. Generally XBox games look better but they're no quantum leap over the competition. I have premium quality oil paint sets, doesn't mean I'm automatically going to produce a better painting than Rembrandt.

You accused me of being wrong and "researching before typing jargon," but numbers don't lie my friend.

[spec-v5150]

LOL and you did what I aksed...provided links...is this arguement not done?? I am sorry I dont speak/type well enough for you. I type fast and dont bother looking back at my typing. I type 45 wpm with a 97% accuracy rate...which I don't think is too shabby. I am not writing reports for work, I am arguing on the internet with some lame *** guy who has nothing better to do than pick out my spelling errors. Was that a more coherent respectable post for you?? Let me double check to make sure my spellign and grammar are up to smoothcriminals standards.

[SmoothCriminal]

smoothcriminal: i think you need to settle down for a minute and take a look at what you are getting all worked up about.

Ummm....Am I in the twilight zone here?! I was responding to SpecV's rather silly, "biased" opinions.

But to answer your question, no I'm not getting worked up about it all. The XBox has some serious reliability issues. Now I know most of us don't walk into a store, looking to buy a system for reliability issues. But MS has a serious problem here. It's not so much the breakdown issues but how MS handles the problem. So far, they seem unwilling to repair defective XBox's unless the customer shells out good money to have the problem fixed. I once had a defective Dreamcast and had a new one sent to me free of charge. Sega even reimbursed me for shipping expenses.

[spec-v5150]

Further more that is MY opinion. If I bought something that I think is a POS, then let me. I never said it wasn't a viable option. I just think it is a waste of money for the type of games I like to play,. I own one and think that. I got it at lauch and I STILL think. I own 5 games for it and STILL think that. I play super smash brothers with my friends and STILL think that. I am entitled to think my GC is worthless because I spent my hard earned 149.99 plsu tax on it.

[spec-v5150]

Ummm....Am I in the twilight zone here?! I was responding to SpecV's rather silly, "biased" opinions.

But to answer your question, no I'm not getting worked up about it all. The XBox has some serious reliability issues. Now I know most of us don't walk into a store, looking to buy a system for reliability issues. But MS has a serious problem here. It's not so much the breakdown issues but how MS handles the problem. So far, they seem unwilling to repair defective XBox's unless the customer shells out good money to have the problem fixed. I once had a defective Dreamcast and had a new one sent to me free of charge. Sega even reimbursed me for shipping expenses.

Okay and the other consoles dont. The only reason my PS2 was fixed for free was because it was "eating" my games (putting nice circles aroudn them). Other than that, I woudl have had to pay 100 bucks. That is standard. Once the warranty is up, you are on your own. That is standard procedure. The reason people examine MS more closely is because MS is "evil". There was SO much controversy over PS2 and the dreaded disc read error. What did Sony do about it...not a damn thing except say make sure you package your PS2 well and send it to us along with $100

[SmoothCriminal]

I type 45 wpm with a 97% accuracy rate...which I don't think is too shabby. I am not writing reports for work, I am arguing on the internet with some lame *** guy who has nothing better to do than pick out my spelling errors. Was that a more coherent respectable post for you?? Let me double check to make sure my spellign and grammar are up to smoothcriminals standards.

45wpm with a 97% accuracy? HAHA. Had me fooled. Your writing was so undecipherable, if I ran it through my deluxe universal translation machine, that sh*t would probably explode.

Please find my english teahcer. Please find my college english teacher too, the class I got a A in.

If you got an A in a college English course, I'll pray for us all.

You need to be repeatedly kicked in the groin until you grow out of your creepy obsession with calling people who stick up for a solid product "lame *** fanboys." Or we could have your English teacher pound your derriere with a paddle but I have a strange feeling you'd enjoy both too much.

All consoles, in fact all appliances break down from time to time. If MS doesn't learn how to treat its customers right, then it will fall flat on its face. I never said a thing about Sony's reliability but its name is synonymous with high quality, reliable electronic appliances. MS isn't established in this arena and honestly, its first impression will probably come and haunt it later on.