Help me pick a T3 for Drag racing

[the vert]

LOVE the FMIC location!!! Short piping rules!

How efficheneit is the mid mount intercooler? I know the short charge pipes give the turbo a faster spool. But how is the cooling. It doesnt see as much as a front mount. Also the air coming out the other side of the intercooler is it not hot from cooling the hot are from the turbo. Therefore would that not keep cool air from getting to the radiator?

[GODCHSR]

OK, I might get flack here but I don't think the radiator is all too important for drag racin. As long as you can pull 'some' heat off the motor, then it's enough.

The Intercooler is way more important... and to be fair the core sie of his intercooler is so large that I doubt he has any heat sink issues

[Kalypso]

that... is a nice setup.

[motoman399]

its about time this thread gets going again. i miss it... lol how are the turbo projects coming along?

that is pretty impressive from the one you posted. 180K miles holy damn:shocked

GL

[GODCHSR]

It's all about the Benjamins now.

I have been saving like mad and getting distracted a bit because I am building a recording studio in my house at the same time. So it's been touch and go for me.

I'll find myself getting ready to cheap out and buy something that is off brand and STOP MYSELF!

lol... I don't think anything cheap is going to make it 11 seconds, let alone 10.

I swear to God almighty, if I get to the end of multiple passes and can only pull out 11s I will blow the motor... I swear I will, because I will take the motor into boost that it has never gone before to get into 10s.

10s or bust!

[GODCHSR]

In fact I am getting really close to build a fully custom twin scroll manifold with dual Wastegates

[WDRacing]

If you are that concerned about hitting the 10's just invest $450 in a nitrous kit. No need for a twin scroll or all the $$$ spent on a true twin scroll mani with double F'in wastegates...lol.

Only use it in 3rd and 4th so traction is a non issue. A 50-75 shot should do the trick if you need .5 or less. Not to mention the cooling affect it has on the intake mani etc.

its about time this thread gets going again. i miss it... lol how are the turbo projects coming along?

that is pretty impressive from the one you posted. 180K miles holy damn:shocked

GL

I dunno about the rest of you guys, but seeing fast passes on high mileage motors gives me a little warm fuzzy inside on the inside. The key is taking care of the motor. If you keep the fluids fresh and fix things when they break, any DOHC motor should run 250k easy.

As far as where I am with my build. The new motor is in, my wiring harness is being redone since rabbits ate the entire harness that goes in front of the damn motor. I'll be getting her up and running 100% NA before I install the turbo. Speaking of turbo, I just got done rebuilding my T04E. I don't mean T3/TO4, I mean full T4. It's got a 50 trim compressor wheel, stg 3 exhaust wheel and a .81 AR exhaust housing. So it's gonna be a touch laggy...lol. That's ok though, I know she responds well to a crapload of boost

I'm gonna try for 350whp by 12psi

WD

[WDRacing]

How efficheneit is the mid mount intercooler? I know the short charge pipes give the turbo a faster spool. But how is the cooling. It doesnt see as much as a front mount. Also the air coming out the other side of the intercooler is it not hot from cooling the hot are from the turbo. Therefore would that not keep cool air from getting to the radiator?

For a daily that's not a good setup. For drag it's fine, unless you're hot lapping, which I have never done in my life...always a damn line. The shorter piping isn't worth it IMO. If I wanted a short piping intercooler setup for drag and only occasional driving I'd do a water/air cooler for sure. Far more efficient at removing charge air heat and way shorter plumbing wise. If you have a decent heat exchanger you can even use it for a daily.

WD

[the vert]

For a daily that's not a good setup. For drag it's fine, unless you're hot lapping, which I have never done in my life...always a damn line. The shorter piping isn't worth it IMO. If I wanted a short piping intercooler setup for drag and only occasional driving I'd do a water/air cooler for sure. Far more efficient at removing charge air heat and way shorter plumbing wise. If you have a decent heat exchanger you can even use it for a daily.

WD

Thanks for the answer WD. I was a thinking it would not be that great of an idea on a daily driver. I have been thinking of was to shorten the intercooler piping. and also cleaning up the bay a little bit as well. But my boosting days are prob a year away. Waiting to get deployed and come back home and go all out. rebuilding/building the engine when I get my taxes back. Do you guys have any links to doing a proper wire tuck. I would love to get rid of a lot of clutter in my bay. Even though it is stock. Thanks

-JOSH-

[240dx]

forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/403443-ultimate-wire-tuck-guide

Comet did a pretty deliciuos wire tuck a while ago.

[GODCHSR]

I don't have the patence for a wire tuck... ALTHOUGH I would love to get a list of things that can be deleted or removed and any information to go along with the proces.

IE: A/C, EGR, etc...

[WDRacing]

My opinion on removing stuff like that is, if it doesn't hurt anything just leave it. That way you don't have the constant ECU codes and or CEL. Although that's more for people running the factory ECU. With you going EMS I'd lose every single thing except the IACV. Are you deleting the AC and all that as well?

I deleted the AC once, never gone do that stupid s*** again...lol.

[240dx]

I don't have the patence for a wire tuck... ALTHOUGH I would love to get a list of things that can be deleted or removed and any information to go along with the proces.

IE: A/C, EGR, etc...

Who need power steering when their flyin down the 1/4 mile in a straight line

[Turbo24sxt]

stock block ka

http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42039

[WDRacing]

stock block ka

http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42039

A built C4 with a high stall convertor that allows you to launch at any psi is a decent way to drag race...lol. We're running the stock transmission . A good transmission will knock off a full second, although he didn't get a good launch, which makes me think he'll be into the mid 10's once he figures out tire pressure and boost level for launch.

Kinda makes me wanna send my stall convertor over to Precision Industries and have them stall it up to 3900-4200. Then swap my slushbox back in...lol. I doubt the KA auto will handle launching at 3500 or better and then make 400 ft lbs of torque. But it would be cool for a pass or 3

Sure does make you reconsider using the stock manual trans for drag racing. If I had the option, I'd use an auto...but I don't have a spare transmission nor the adapter plate to go with

WD

[Turbo24sxt]

just showing ya the stock block/internal record thats all :-D hes a good guy .. should see his new setup

[the vert]

Well I know for a fact my stock auto transmission in my vert is a beast. My motor is stock and nothing compared to u guys but I launch my car at like 4500. Throwing it from N all the way down into 1st. Now of course if I was turbo'd im sure it would have fallen apart. Hopefully I will be picking up my 5-speed next month. I will let you guys know when I swap trannies. If you guys want it I will sell it for dirt cheap and maybe one of you could build it, and we can see how it would react on the track.

[GODCHSR]

just showing ya the stock block/internal record thats all :-D hes a good guy .. should see his new setup

I suppose I'd give this the credit it deserves then.In fact I won't even put an * on the side. but let me say off the record... I won't be modifying ANYTHING in the block, not even the headgasket. Just sayin...

Miami undoubtedly said 10s on a stock block were doable. he said even he could have gotten it with suspension work.

I'm glad these guys are walking away from it though because I'd prefer it not to be a desirable thing to hold a stock block record. Once I grab it I'd like for people to assume it's not beatable! LOL hahahahaha

[GODCHSR]

My opinion on removing stuff like that is, if it doesn't hurt anything just leave it. That way you don't have the constant ECU codes and or CEL. Although that's more for people running the factory ECU. With you going EMS I'd lose every single thing except the IACV. Are you deleting the AC and all that as well?

I deleted the AC once, never gone do that stupid s*** again...lol.

Well originally my plan was to keep it very streetable... but if I can't break 11.10 with it on then I am definitely pulling everything under the hood.. AC gone... PS gone... Passenger seat gone... headliner gone... carpet gone... etc...

These were all things I planned on keeping but I will do whatever it takes when the time comes.

In fact, the first time my transmission blows up I'm swapping in a VG Auto with a stall. This Winter the car is getting prep work for the most part but as soon as my recording studio is done being built I will be gettin it done!

[WDRacing]

To be honest, I was planning on making my seats quick release and putting my rear speakers in removeable boxes and using quick relese stuff for the amps etc.

You should also have a turn down style downpipe. So at the track the whole exhaust can come off, that dude is heavy. I shouldn't be giving you suggestions, but I'm pretty sure you'll be faster then me and closer to the 10's then I'll be until my budget allows for more mods next year.

But I'd be damn happy having the stock block record holder right here on Nico

[GODCHSR]

Giving me suggestion!?!?!? I think not sir! lol

I am planning on making my first runs as I sit... full interior etc...

'IF' I can't accomplish what I seek to accomplish in that manner then I will throw out the playbook and go balls to the wall and nit pick this to death!

Seriously I will go ricey and drill holes in my rear bumper if I have too! lol

AGAIN though, let me emphasize that I really want to do this in as streetable a fashion as possible. Imagine a luxurious 240sx interior with cold AC and running 10s... know what i mean!?!? That's sexy!

[WDRacing]

AGAIN though, let me emphasize that I really want to do this in as streetable a fashion as possible. Imagine a luxurious 240sx interior with cold AC and running 10s... know what i mean!?!? That's sexy!

I couldn't agree more with the above statement. My current POA (plane of attack) is to finish my harness rewire, get it running 100% NA and then install my jigger rigged JGS manifold, that has now been welded into 3 totally different turbo configurations, install whatever turbo I end up with (currently a large TO4E), run twin fuel pumps, 4:1 FMU, 2 stage custom water injection and 12 psi.

With no timing retard, i should be able to make 350 to the wheels pretty easy. So I have to make that go a long way...lol. My current weight reduction is basically nothing. My pass seat will be installed on studs with wing nuts for easy rem/inst. My exhaust will come off real easy and I have a slip on 3" that makes it a side exit. My rear speakers and amp will all be easily removed as well. That's about everything aside from the usual emptying of junk and tools...lol.

If I do the above AND manage to get my hands on some nitrous, short of scattering my drive train I bet I can see the real low 11's I have problems with boost and nitrous, because both can be easily added in large doses and I have a very addictive personality. So between the both of us, we'll probably snatch the record even if we have to trailer the car home afterwards

WD

[motoman399]

I couldn't agree more with the above statement. My current POA (plane of attack) is to finish my harness rewire, get it running 100% NA and then install my jigger rigged JGS manifold, that has now been welded into 3 totally different turbo configurations, install whatever turbo I end up with (currently a large TO4E), run twin fuel pumps, 4:1 FMU, 2 stage custom water injection and 12 psi.

what injectors do you plan on using? that is the craziest setup i have ever heard of lol. GOOD LUCK!!

you guys better have good video cameras. i wanna see a scattered KA on the track lol jk jk

[GODCHSR]

I'm running 850 cc injectors.

The good news is that if the KA blows up you can get one easily. I have one in my garage and see them all over my area in the $200 range.

[neverlift]

wd is running stock injectors I believe... as well as stock ecu/maf IIRC

[eazye2000]

Wish I could come with you guys, but I have a built block.

If I get myself into something else, I will give it my best to try and hang. I have a wastegate, manifold, and an HX-35 at the house. But that is about the extent of it. My buddy has an auto bellhousing. And I'm currently trying to track down a C4. If all goes well, I will be swapping my 5-speed for the modified C4 and get a driveshaft made. Then see what number I pull at the track. Then swap it back to 5-speed for weekend fun.It all depends on how things go. Nasty divorce pwnz my life right now. Trying to get on my feet.

[GODCHSR]

HX35 FTW

I'm looking at the Holset turbos. Cheap, reliable, good spool, big power...

[visser003]

I couldn't agree more with the above statement. My current POA (plane of attack) is to finish my harness rewire, get it running 100% NA and then install my jigger rigged JGS manifold, that has now been welded into 3 totally different turbo configurations, install whatever turbo I end up with (currently a large TO4E), run twin fuel pumps, 4:1 FMU, 2 stage custom water injection and 12 psi.

With no timing retard, i should be able to make 350 to the wheels pretty easy. So I have to make that go a long way...lol. My current weight reduction is basically nothing. My pass seat will be installed on studs with wing nuts for easy rem/inst. My exhaust will come off real easy and I have a slip on 3" that makes it a side exit. My rear speakers and amp will all be easily removed as well. That's about everything aside from the usual emptying of junk and tools...lol.

If I do the above AND manage to get my hands on some nitrous, short of scattering my drive train I bet I can see the real low 11's I have problems with boost and nitrous, because both can be easily added in large doses and I have a very addictive personality. So between the both of us, we'll probably snatch the record even if we have to trailer the car home afterwards

WD

LOL, 12psi/350whp with an FMU. goes your motor.

[neverlift]

LOL, 12psi/350whp with an FMU. goes your motor.

why I do 11 all the time dont come on this thread spouting crap like that.

people have hit 330 with 12psi and an fmu, with timing retard and no water injection..... very doable.

[GODCHSR]

Actually I just thought about something. Stupid question maybe BUT: Which would be better an HX-35 or a T04E?

These seem like similar turbos really.(all considering my goal of 450rwhp)