GT-R lovers reality check.

[Yellow Comet]

The transmission fluid costs 50 bucks too.

[themadscientist]

Again, this was aimed at others, primarily TMS, as he started the thread (and, seemingly, about a dozen others)

Hate, hate, hatehatehate!

My transmission will put up with clutch drops all night long, do that R35. It may be faster than mine but I will make up the difference while it's in the shop getting the cupholders aligned.

[Jesda]

BOTH cars rely on traction control systems, electronic torque split, all-wheel-drive, advanced ABS, turbochargers, power-assist items, et cetera.

I dislike both cars.

But you know me.

[Touge noob S13]

I remember a time when manufactors did not overwelm their cars with pointless electronics. Cars like the F40 below have become instant classics and are remembered for their no nonesense driving behavior, something that these new cars will never achieve.

[VNG704]

off topic: r35 v spec or r 34 ztune who wins?

Anyway I think that pic of the r34 isn't a z tune. The fenders look like the regular r34 fenders.

[Soravia]

R35. Same HP. More torque. Better balance.

I can't get that part of YouTube video where the LP640 cornered and then the GT-R swooped in from its tail swaying side to side while being able to keep up at the same time. Most cars swaying like that would have spun out or under steered.That was the most awesome part.

[rn79870]

There is a option in the new 638HP, 605 lb.-ft. of torque, 7:26.4 lap time at the Nurburgring, 2009 Supercharged zr1 Vette. (Didn't the GTR do it in 7:35 or something?)



I'll bet the price is still around 6 figures though.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0...e-zr1/

[Soravia]

GT-R did 7:34 before it did 7:29 with better tires. GT-R improves greatly with better tires. The run-flats just don't do justice. Considering how the GT-R has softer suspension, more weight, less HP, less torque, the thing runs really fast.

[l0nestar]

You have to decide, do I want a race car that had to be retro-fitted for the streets, or a street-car retro-fitted for the track?

The C5 Z06, C6 Z06, and ZR-1 are all specially made for racing. Granted, it is not by someone like Pratt & Miller, but they have their own 'group' at GM who designs and assembles them. The engines are balanced and assembled by ONE single person in KY. I'm not going to go over the technical differences between the standard 'Vette and the Z06's and ZR-1. I was there when Bob Lutz unveiled (and then drove-in!) in a pre-production Z06 in at the World Congress in 2005. It really is a totally different animal.

Just because you are the last man standing, does not mean you are the best man.

If I were to spend $100,000 on a new car, it would be a ZR-1. Hands down. It has 6 gears, RWD, and no 'nanny system'. Plus, I can tweak on it all I want, but not sure why I would want to change much of anything.. other than maybe adding a set of harnesses.

To whoever posted the picture of the F-430. Good job. One of the last cars to offer 'no-nonsense' barely street-legal racing cars.

Used car - Viper GTS. Hands down! Well, for the price maybe a C6 Z06..

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Just because you are the last man standing, does not mean you are the best man.

In that situation, at that moment in time, yes, you are the best man. Could you win again? Who knows, but that's irrelevant at the moment.

[OldmanPurdy]

To whoever posted the picture of the F-430. Good job. One of the last cars to offer 'no-nonsense' barely street-legal racing cars.

FYI The Ferrari F-430 has an electronically controlled diff, ESP, and available paddle shift transmission, all similar tech as the GT-R. I really find this thread confusing people dislike the GT-R but would gladly suck off the driveshaft of an R-34 despite the only new tech being the transmission.

[Soravia]

It's actually OLD tech, just made better by Nissan. Sequential transmission has been around for a good time.

They're just hating because GT-R is one of the most comfortable Super cars on the planet, not to mention having the most passenger room.

[themadscientist]

don't forget all the "extras" too.

zer...e-gtr

One of my techs just got back from a special Nissan training GTR deal. Here are some interesting Facts.-Can only launch the car 15 times before the transmission gives out. The most Nissan has got was 34 launches.-The fluid lists at 80 dollars a quart. It costs dealerships 49.99 a quart. The car takes 10 quarts.-The warranty depends on the driving, there is a black box in it just like an airplane.-Customers have to sign a waiver stating they will not complain about brake or transmission noise.-The brakes MUST be replaced at the same time, cost for replacing 6500.-If something goes wrong other than an oil change at the dealership, a special team needs to be called and your outta a car for a while.

So yea. Sounds promising. Sounds fast, for a couple of months.

It took 23 years for my old Skyline to fail and it didn't puke its transmission. It doesn't require $800 oil changes, nor sould anything short of and M1 tank. It doesn't tell on me when I screw around either.

[hsckris]

They're just hating because GT-R is one of the most comfortable Super cars on the planet, not to mention having the most passenger room.

Actually most of us are "hating" b/c 1)It is missing a pedal 2)The car has so much nanny-tech.

I honestly like the car. I probably wouldn't buy one, but its not bad. And it certainly doesn't hurt Nissan to sell a car in that market (assuming the transmission can/does last)

[Touge noob S13]

FYI The Ferrari F-430 has an electronically controlled diff, ESP, and available paddle shift transmission, all similar tech as the GT-R. I really find this thread confusing people dislike the GT-R but would gladly suck off the driveshaft of an R-34 despite the only new tech being the transmission.

I think he was talking about the F40.

[Soravia]

I think the transmission can last longer than that. If anything, it'd be the clutch or diff unit inside the transmission. I have seen people abuse their transmission before, only clutch goes out. GT-R has a power accurated twin clutch. That's the only difference.

[yelnatsch517]

Logic can be tough for some people, so I'll break it down....

The design exercise of the new GT-R was to create a vehicle with four seats (i.e. must be front-engined), a ~$60k price tag (to undercut the 911), and a generally livable demeanor (i.e. airbags, sound deadening, nothing stripped out, so not a KTM X-Bow, etc) that, given all this, could then go as fast as possible around a circuit course. Things like "character" or "soul" weren't part of the design exercise, just like "4 doors" or "10 cupholders" wasn't either.

Concurrently, for the Lotus Elise (for a random example), the design exercise was to build something that, for about $40,000, could lap as fast as absolutely possible and yet meet the bare minimum guidelines for street legality and be drivable in all-weather (again, it needed a top and couldn't be open-wheel like the Atom, but otherwise, few constraints other than price).

ALL cars are the product of some design exercise or other. All cars are designed with "goals" in mind and the ONLY way one can thus evaluate cars is "did this vehicle succeed in the goal the designers had in mind?". Critiquing the design exercise itself as silly or misguided is fruitless as this is a purely subjective judgement. If people are purchasing the product, it is by definition NOT silly or misguided as there is, quite obviously, a demographic that demands it.

If someone says "I hate car x", they'd better have a goddamned good reason for saying it. When you say or do anything with any sort of conviction, you need to have a rational justification in doing so, especially if you're going to go to the trouble of making one or in this case MULTIPLE annoying threads about it on a car forum.

I always find myself agreeing to everything you say. I'm not all too sure why. Anyway

[themadscientist]

I think the transmission can last longer than that. If anything, it'd be the clutch or diff unit inside the transmission. I have seen people abuse their transmission before, only clutch goes out. GT-R has a power accurated twin clutch. That's the only difference.

Nissan disagrees with you.

[OldmanPurdy]

I think he was talking about the F40.

The pic won't load for me but the F40 and F-430 are lightyears apart, dosen't really matter the point is all the "nanny" tech in the GT-R is in alot of other sport/preformance cars that people here seem to love so it really comes down to hating it just because of the transmission.

[hsckris]

The pic won't load for me but the F40 and F-430 are lightyears apart, dosen't really matter the point is all the "nanny" tech in the GT-R is in alot of other sport/preformance cars that people here seem to love so it really comes down to hating it just because of the transmission.

No b/c it really is set up differently on the GT-R. A lot of other cars have some so-called "nanny" tech, but from what I have heard the GT-R's is so much more prevalent that mistakes are nearly impossible. For example, the Z06 and ZR1 have some 'nanny' tech, but if you lift throttle in mid corner you will spin; from what I have heard that is not so with the GT-R.

[Soravia]

The thing is AWD, Duh! It's made to spread power to all four, so you'll have to spin out on ALL four wheels for it to lose grip.

[mcheddadi]

As much as you GT-R fanbois would like to beleive otherwise the new R will NEVER, NEVER, command the respect and admiration of a true exotic. It isn't about masturbating on the ring, It's not about stoplight races and it most definately is not about gizmos and tire pressure monitors. This is an exotic.

http://videos.streetfire.net/v...9.htm

The R is, I guess the word would be "notable". I detest it not because of what it is but rather what it used to be but there is no doubt it has a place somewhere in the automotive pantheon. Then again so does the Yugo, you decide where you think it fits. The GT-R used to be a car than demanded a symbiotic relationship from the driver, it isn't anymore.

It is definately not though, nor will it ever be unless Nissan takes a completely different tack for the R36, an exotic. It may go around a track faster than some exotics, it may beat them down the quarter mile, it may deliver comparable stats at a lower cost but that is not an exotic's reason for being. The point of an exotic is exclusivity, tradition and the love poured into it by the craftsmen that build them.

The GT-R is a car built to satisfy geeks, most who would be incapable of driving it were the various assist features were switched off. There are of course people who will buy it who could but the car was not really built for them. Satisfy the geeks it does as well as a handful of driving enthusiasts.

I see a lot of videos of the new gizmo R trying to wrest respect from the likes of Lamborghinis, Ferarris, Bugattis etc. This is a glaring example of how most R fanbois don't truly get it. The R is not in the same cultural class as those cars and never will be. That in and of itself is not bad, the R is a capable vehicle. When it tries to jump the fence into the country club based solely on the fact that it can drive a golfball farther than some and putt better than others it looks foolish.

I like a quote from the designer of the Murcialago, I paraphase "when you are driving this car you are keely aware that the weak link is not the car, it is you". You will never feel that way behind the wheel of a nanny R. It won't let you and that is why it is not a pure driving machine that a true exotic is. Could you put it through a guardrail if you act the fool, sure; somebody crashed one almost immediately. You won't feel the adrenaline rush though that a car barely contained and demanding maximum precision from you would deliver.

I think it behooves Nissan not to try to campare itself to exotics at all but rather seek a market position unqique to this vehicle. I see a batch of similar "on the cusp" vehicles coming soon from their fellow Japanese manufacturers and Nissan should define a new segment of the market rather than try to crash a party they are not invited to and would never be accepted at.

end sermon, don fireproof suit

meh, since you don't have it, your opinion isn't valid

[hsckris]

The thing is AWD, Duh! It's made to spread power to all four, so you'll have to spin out on ALL four wheels for it to lose grip.

Thats not the point... the point is that, from my understanding, GT-R won't let you override the nanny controls. From what I understand about the GT-R, te nanny governs the car ultimately, not the driver. While in every other car the driver governs the car ultimately and the nanny only helps.

[rn79870]

meh, since you don't have it, your opinion isn't valid

When did "having" something become a qualification for an opinion?

[VNG704]

When did "having" something become a qualification for an opinion?

for the opinion to have any real merit, there has to be some "having." Otherwise it'll just be all assumptions and guessing.

[mcheddadi]

for the opinion to have any real merit, there has to be some "having." Otherwise it'll just be all assumptions and guessing.

[rn79870]

for the opinion to have any real merit, there has to be some "having." Otherwise it'll just be all assumptions and guessing.

I have an opinion on AIDS yet I've never had it. Let me help you here...

Opinion (plural opinions)A subjective thought that a person has formed about a topic or issue.

[CRIPES]

i think the bodys hot, but i feel the same way... it will NEVER be as good of a car as its predecessors. godzilla will never honestly rampage the streets of the US.

[Soravia]

You have to personally smash on the gas pedal of the GR-T on a track, record the video and tell me how the car limits you to 60MPH highway limit and nanny you before telling me that.

Just because the car has really high performance level that is makes it relatively near impossible to lose control doesn't mean it's limiting your input. The rpm shoots skyward as you hit the gas, right? That means it's taking your input very well. How it manages the power to different wheels is not for you to complain. People have different ideas on even simple differentials. GT-R simply has a smart rear diff and power transfer to the front that keeps you from slipping tires on every throttle input.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

What's a GR-T?

Aren't you also the one talking about the GT-R Spec V?

Do you know anything?