GT-R lovers reality check.

[RCA]

See the dash? Do ya? Look real close,,,BANG!

Straight from the dealer brochure

Well find me a "GT-R" badge any where on the R35 and I will email you $5!

For a fact I know Nissan removed the dash.I can't see the specs on the first picture (to see if it is truly a R35's spec sheet) but as for the second picture, there isn't a dash...

[HashiriyaS14]

I'm no fanboi, but I recall hearing this kind of drivel from the carb-tuning hillbillies who fought EFI... the ignoramuses who couldn't let go of bias-ply tires, straight axles, leaf springs, 4-speeds, and manual brakes.

Progress, ladies. Get used to it - It's a good thing.

+1 to all that absolutely brilliant shxt you just said.

I don't understand opposition to the GT-R's progress the same way I don't understand opposition to electric performers like the Tesla. How is near-unlimited flexibility in weight distribution not a good thing? Progress is GOOD. Progress gave us the Bugatti T35, the Toyota 2000GT, the RX7, the R32 GT-R, and now this new GT-R. If you dislike progress, go ride a horse and get off the car forum.

[AZhitman]

The most difficult part of this is, I can totally see where Mike's coming from.

I don't even completely disagree.

But, again, I remember hearing all the same stuff when other advancements were made, and even bemoaned the passing of carburetors myself (for a brief, brief time).

[DrifterXRPS13]

Greg, you just so aged yourself with the carb comment, but your still cool in my book old man

Anyhow, on this discussion, i agree with what everyones saying, i like the car and while i do have the same feelings and sentiments of tms i agree with greg, and i would also have to say that i will probably never have this car like many cars, and i guess in the end it doesn't matter whats on it or what's not

Until someone on here gets one and drives one and sees how it is personally, i really can't make up my mind on the situation, i'll wait a year and see how a longterm car does.

[themadscientist]

nothin wrong with being old. Anyone who has only worked with EFI you owe it to yourself to listen to a motor suck air through some properly set up Webers.

[DrifterXRPS13]

Nothing wrong at all my man, i have been listening to the datsun we have, although, it sounds horrible at the moment, carbs are pretty interesting, maybe once we get it running properly well get some properly setup webers or whatever we throw on there and i'm sure it's gonna sounds awesome!

[redtop91]

That's the difference between having the nanny-mobile, and a driver's car. Kind of like the FD vs the R35 in the touge racing. One driver is on autopilot while he reads the paper, the other is fighting for his life to get the most out of his car.

A car that maximizes your abilities is more of a driver's car than one that oversteers it's way around an entire course. I guarantee you'd have way more fun in an R35 than a old FD. I don't know what your idea of a "driver's experience" is but I assure you that you and almost no one on this board can control a ZR1 and you wouldn't have much fun fighting oversteer while lightly modded EVO's carve you up. If your idea of a driver's car/experience is getting destroyed in a car that you don't have the abilities to control then I guess your point makes sense. In a mildly retarded kind of way.

[C-Kwik]

Right, that is exactly my point. You said it yourself "It maximizes..." not "you" or "the driver." I never said, nor implied, that the car would drive itself or keep you from wrecking it. I said or at least meant to say exactly what you said -- the car is controlling. Every review I've seen, including Top Gear, says just drive the car into a corner. If you are going to fast, the car will fix it. If you are going to slow, you can hit the gas without worry of causing a spin or other issues. I'm not saying this is bad necessarily... as I have said several times I like the Gt-r, I just don't think I would buy one (assuming I could afford it anyway) b/c I personally would prefer 1) A true manual transmission to be at least optional 2) less nannies or at least the ability to totally disable all of them. For example, I hate Dodge but I like the Viper b/c its built old-school... it didn't even get ABS until like halfway through its life. Its built to handle naturally, without the need for a ton of nannys.

Somehow my point went entirely over your head. Yes, it maximizes traction. Isn't that what we all want when we add parts to our cars? Even passive suspension tuning helps the driver maximize traction.

But ultimately, regardless of the car, the driver decides the best line to use. This varies from car to car. As I said before, try taking every turn on any non-oval race track in a GT-R flat out. I guarantee you will not finish the lap without having left the tarmac. Even with all the electronics, the driver still has to decide the best braking point, the best line and when to get back on the throttle. While the GT-R might be able to help prevent an off-road excursion, it won't be abvle to magically turn a bad line into the best one. Those tenths of seconds lost will add up quickly...

[Murdered_T]

Ok look, ill say it simple.

GTR, fun as all hell and quick as ballz, for someone that CAN'T drive a real supercar. But are awsome non the less.

Other Supercars. Awsome driving machines, that takes real attention and are fun to drive, for the experienced.

/End Thread.

[peetar]

I think the GT-R is a pretty cool car but I would much rather have this one.

http://www.peterclute.com/inde...mid=1

Now some people might think I am crazy for saying that but there is just something about it that gives me wood.

I really don't care much for a lot of the newer supercars. For one thing, I like sleeper cars or cars that have some utility to them and are not simply a sports car. Iv'e got a GVR4 and I love it because it is such a simple looking boxy sedan but I can pick up groceries in it and put my kid in the back seat.

[l0nestar]

Peetar,

Agreed. I enjoy having a fast car, that people would not anticipate as fast. It's why I do the things that I do!

But as a corollary, I have realized one major difference between my 240 and my Lexus.. When setting in traffic at 90*f heat and choosing between a.) being forced to keep the windows down (not die from heat) orb.) cool as a cucumber with AC..

I choose AC! At least for daily commuting.

/back OT

[peetar]

LOL TRU!

[Soravia]

I think the GT-R is a pretty cool car but I would much rather have this one.

http://www.peterclute.com/inde...mid=1

Now some people might think I am crazy for saying that but there is just something about it that gives me wood.

I really don't care much for a lot of the newer supercars. For one thing, I like sleeper cars or cars that have some utility to them and are not simply a sports car. Iv'e got a GVR4 and I love it because it is such a simple looking boxy sedan but I can pick up groceries in it and put my kid in the back seat.

You say it like the GT-R doesn't have a trunk and usable rear seats.

[redtop91]

Ok look, ill say it simple.

GTR, fun as all hell and quick as ballz, for someone that CAN'T drive a real supercar. But are awsome non the less.

Other Supercars. Awsome driving machines, that takes real attention and are fun to drive, for the experienced.

/End Thread.

So basically

GTR, fun as all hell and quick as ballz, for someone that CAN'T drive a real supercar. But are awsome non the less.

99% of people fall into this category

Other Supercars. Awsome driving machines, that takes real attention and are fun to drive, for the experienced.

And maybe 1% in this one? That still doesn't explain how some of these geniuses think they fall in that 1%.

[themadscientist]

I think I want a car that demands my participation. The GT-R is like "getting lucky" with a hooker.

[notslow]

I certainly see where TMS is coming from. Its half the reason I still have the 240. I have no need for a new car that I can't do any of my own work to because every damn thing in it is electronically controlled and calibrated to the manufacturer's diagnostic systems. It is entirely a money grab, and the GTR pushes it to the max to take as much out of your pocket as it can. I already spend enough on gas, I don't need to have oil specially made for my engine, or have a special technician inspect my car using a special diagnostic tool all the while sticking it to my wallet.

There are ways we can advance automobile development using new technology without trying to milk the hard earned money from people that are already paying for an expensive vehicle.

The GT-R is like "getting lucky" with a hooker.

words to live byVVV AKA VVV

[Red coupe]

You know what I realized the other day based on Toms thread on the GTR, and other things I have read?

I have heard of markups up to 20K.... The GTR is 80k with out mark up and the ZR-1 is or will be ~100k from what I have read...

So with mark up the price difference is not too huge.

On top of that, while I haven't heard figures, if I am not mistaken the ZR-1 uses normal fluids and much less sophisticated parts.

The GTR may not sell for super car prices, but from what I have read it does have super car maintenance costs...

So ZR-1 maintenance costs are bound to be lower, meaning that while the official price of GTR is lower, ownership costs of the ZR-1 will be lower... and its faster...

Given two cars the same speed, all else aside I would always pick the one that is less mechanically/electrically complex and more "engine, chassis, suspension, seat"

[themadscientist]

And both lend themselves well to pirate intonation when saying their names.

GT-Rrrrrrrrrrr

Zrrrrrrrr-1

You would not be able to park either car in the garage next to a Kawasaki ninja without violence ensuing.

[BadQ45t]

Glad so many are not intersted in the GT-R as this gives me a better chance at getting one. I saw one at the dealership and read the reviews, sat in it. I would take it in a heart-beat.

I also drove a 08' Z, it is NOT a pig. The car is heavier than it should/could be but a very fun car to drive. Jesda, go to the Caddy board or something, your just sour on Nissans in general now.

[dasoupdude]

Jesda, go to the Caddy board or something, your just sour on Nissans in general now.

Its cause some of the late modern Nissans out now are just plain sour.

[JustinStrife]

Its cause some of the late modern Nissans out now are just plain sour.

But that's the case with most car companies nowadays anyway.

[raremotive]

I find exotics and the R both boring.

But their innovation of technology.

[maxnix]

Truly fast competent cars should be boring at 10/10ths.

Don't think I would want to drive nor enjoy driving a GTR nor any exotic everyday. Something about traffic, traffic laws, congestion, and need to transport people and other things.

[jbracy7]

the first super car nissan made was the great R390 A REAL BALLS TO WALL SUPER CAR the GT_R is to me what a R34 is to me un-reachable un-afordable if i ever hade the money it would be a hard choice R390 or GT_R

[SHIFT_240sx]

damn this thread has been bumped hmm, i dont know if this has been asked but have you ever driven the GTR TMS?

[gammer_ghn]

the first super car nissan made was the great R390 A REAL BALLS TO WALL SUPER CAR the GT_R is to me what a R34 is to me un-reachable un-afordable if i ever hade the money it would be a hard choice R390 or GT_R

Let me make it easier for you. there is only 1 R390 in the world and when it came out back in 1997-1998 it was a million $$$ so with today's money i don't think many people could afford it since it costs more than a damn Veyron. GTR is just a coin compared to the R390.

[themadscientist]

damn this thread has been bumped hmm, i dont know if this has been asked but have you ever driven the GTR TMS?

R32s. I wouldn't bless the new R by touching it with my ***.

I sat in a 370Z a couple of weeks ago, THAT is how it should be done gents. They only invasive tech that really tweaked me was the auto rev-up downshift flux capacitor dodad. The dealer then tells me "oh, you can turn that off" I almost kissed him.

As far as I am concerned that is the true sports car in the lineup, the R is just a "hey look at me" car, both do what they were designed to.

[SHIFT_240sx]

I too have felt the bliss of driving a 370z, and i must say i am in love.

But, if you have not driven the GTR how can you really judge the car's capabilities? Of course you are entitled to your opinion but in essence you have no idea how much separation their is between driver and vehicle. I have not driven the GTR and have no opinion either way on the subject but it seems for a person who despises said vehicle based on the lack of driver interaction one would think that you would have had some first hand experience actually driving the car, it seems that your argument against the GTR is neither sound nor valid, but, your argument pertaining to the lack of your interaction with the car is absolutely valid and sound for that matter since you have had no interaction with the GTR at all.

[themadscientist]

But, if you have not driven the GTR how can you really judge the car's capabilities? Of course you are entitled to your opinion but in essence you have no idea how much separation their is between driver and vehicle. I have not driven the GTR and have no opinion either way on the subject but it seems for a person who despises said vehicle based on the lack of driver interaction one would think that you would have had some first hand experience actually driving the car, it seems that your argument against the GTR is neither sound nor valid, but, your argument pertaining to the lack of your interaction with the car is absolutely valid and sound for that matter since you have had no interaction with the GTR at all.

The car is definately capable of putting up numbers, that is not my rub. I like raw interaction with a vehicle, to the point of maybe a bit crazy. I tear the power steering out of most cars I own, AC, etc. My old silvia was stripped to raw metal, no door panels, no back seat, no center console, just a dash and two seats. I do not need to drive the new R to know I would not like it. As dogmatic as I am about what I like, a visual inspection and reading reviews reveals all I need. If I was happy in a newer car closer to the new R than is my RS Skyline as far as tech and design philosophy I would agree seat time would be called for but I am so far the other way it's a certainty. Not a question of whether I would accept it or not but rather to what degree I would hate it. Would I want to simply hand the keys back or piss on the seats in disgust?

A metaphor that would apply is I have never had gay sex but I am completely confident I would not like it.

For those that love the new R, good on ya, glad you are lucky enough to have Nissan build a car that suits your tastes. I am not so lucky and will have to make sure I keep my old-school iron running so I car have a car that pleases my tastes similarly.

[SHIFT_240sx]

The car is definately capable of putting up numbers, that is not my rub. I like raw interaction with a vehicle, to the point of maybe a bit crazy. I tear the power steering out of most cars I own, AC, etc. My old silvia was stripped to raw metal, no door panels, no back seat, no center console, just a dash and two seats. I do not need to drive the new R to know I would not like it. As dogmatic as I am about what I like, a visual inspection and reading reviews reveals all I need. If I was happy in a newer car closer to the new R than is my RS Skyline as far as tech and design philosophy I would agree seat time would be called for but I am so far the other way it's a certainty. Not a question of whether I would accept it or not but rather to what degree I would hate it. Would I want to simply hand the keys back or piss on the seats in disgust?

A metaphor that would apply is I have never had gay sex but I am completely confident I would not like it.

For those that love the new R, good on ya, glad you are lucky enough to have Nissan build a car that suits your tastes. I am not so lucky and will have to make sure I keep my old-school iron running so I car have a car that pleases my tastes similarly.

But do you really feel this is sufficient evidence for the claims that you make? In all honesty, you and I both know you are the patron saint of GTR hate on this board yet you have no sufficient first hand experience with that car. Though your metaphor is quite amusing it still assumes that your opinions on the GTR are a priori and therefore your claims are not empirical, given this your statements against the GTR are on the same level as those who believe in creationism and the 6,000 year old earth theory, if you wish to keep this line of reasoning then by all means do so, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously (you probably already don't).