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RCA wrote:Aww, that stinks...
Too bad to, Ian was using a wheel so we needed all the firepower available to take him down. It was a good time, even though many people were having a hard time with making the power requirements...

The next one won't be so strict. Also I forgot to save the replays for the last race. Any one have them?
It was great fun. I didn't think I would be the only wheel user, and to be honest, I had set myself up to get bulldozed by you guys.

If im the only guy using a wheel we can figure out some kind of handicap. Either I can go controller, or i can take an underpowered/overweight car.

It may be interesting to see if the wheel helps that much. I have put more hours in with the controller than the wheel, and I didn't feel like I got that much faster with it. I just find it more entertaining.


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It was fun. I wish my old PS3 didn't the Xanavi GT-R all tuned and ready to go. I couldn't tune the Castrol Car. Power-wise, it was great. Handling-wise, difficult. It would understeer so bad, especially at Fuji and SSR5.

All in all, good racing. Glad to see more people turn out, it's always more fun that way. How about a drift competition for next week?

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saved all 4 of them, gonna go through them this evening and post pics.

maybe I'll invest in one of these bad boys for the upcoming races
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You just wait til next time Ian..

Im mad Im feelin so poopy, its taking forever to go away too. I really wanted a chance at that Nissan too.What was the deal with power increases all the sudden?

My buddy has that controller. Cant say he has a good review though. He might come into the next race btw too as he just got GT5.

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ThatGuyRoger wrote:saved all 4 of them, gonna go through them this evening and post pics.

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Just assign brake and gas to R2 and L2, and use the joystick to steer with the verticle axis assigned to nothing... its the exact same inputs, if not better to use the stick since you can roll along the top to make small steering inputs side to side.

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Red coupe wrote: Just assign brake and gas to R2 and L2, and use the joystick to steer with the verticle axis assigned to nothing... its the exact same inputs, if not better to use the stick since you can roll along the top to make small steering inputs side to side.
Thats how I have it set up when I use a controller. Same as "Dirt 2"

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ProudNissanFreak wrote:It was fun. I wish my old PS3 didn't the Xanavi GT-R all tuned and ready to go. I couldn't tune the Castrol Car. Power-wise, it was great. Handling-wise, difficult. It would understeer so bad, especially at Fuji and SSR5. All in all, good racing. Glad to see more people turn out, it's always more fun that way. How about a drift competition for next week?
Yeah I was stoked about the turn out. As for a Drifting Competition...
That I would leave up to you guys, I don't drift and there isn't a way to judge it...

So I decided to give the Nissan GT1 to Ian, but because he had the wheel I decided to give Biggie 2nd price and Speedy_7 3rd.
FlatBlackIan wrote:It was great fun. I didn't think I would be the only wheel user, and to be honest, I had set myself up to get bulldozed by you guys.

If im the only guy using a wheel we can figure out some kind of handicap. Either I can go controller, or i can take an underpowered/overweight car.

It may be interesting to see if the wheel helps that much. I have put more hours in with the controller than the wheel, and I didn't feel like I got that much faster with it. I just find it more entertaining.
Not sure what you mean by "I had set myself up to get bulldozed by you guys"...
I wouldn't know where to start with handicapping the wheel. It seemed to really help during the 1st track where the track was short, but it was less prevalent during longer tracks... But even then you took 1st them those to. Idk how good you are with a controller so guageing a handicap is impossible. The best way would be for you to use a controller, but I wouldn't know if you are truly using one or not...
alms24sebring wrote:You just wait til next time Ian..

Im mad Im feelin so poopy, its taking forever to go away too. I really wanted a chance at that Nissan too.What was the deal with power increases all the sudden?
You better be ready for next week. I owe you a beating as well, you got me last time by 1 point :mad: .
As for the HP increases, I think people didn't realize that practicing with your cars breaks in the engines and gives them higher HP ratings.

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Ahh yes, the 1 pt win, I should be there. I think I have a museum I have to go to for extra credit for class.

what are you serious?! I knew oil changes raise hp but not breaking in. I havent noticed it.

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Yup.

Pick any car that hasn't been broken in yet (any car that is new or has had a engine refurbish) and drive 25 miles, it should gain 3-5hp.

My 512hp GT-R went to 515hp after I finished practicing.

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My Veyron had around 1200HP, now it has 1257ish lol.

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RCA wrote: Not sure what you mean by "I had set myself up to get bulldozed by you guys"...
I wouldn't know where to start with handicapping the wheel. It seemed to really help during the 1st track where the track was short, but it was less prevalent during longer tracks... But even then you took 1st them those to. Idk how good you are with a controller so guageing a handicap is impossible. The best way would be for you to use a controller, but I wouldn't know if you are truly using one or not...
Ill take some time this week, and do some testing with a controller. I have the replays, so I know my average lap times. I can see for myself how big if any difference is made.

I don't think track length had anything to do with my win at tsukuba, its one of my favorite tracks. I know the braking points and lines very well. In reverse, I had not made a single dry lap on HSR, and it showed in the results.

Don't worry, if you want me to use controller, I will. Winning is not so important to me as to need to cheat. I had more fun on Fuji than anywhere else because biggie was pushing me and it was exciting.

Ill do some testing. It we keep doing GT500, i may relegate myself to the epson nix, or possibly sports tires.

I would rather lose using a wheel then win with a controller, but im open to all options.

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I really could use a wheel. And damn that Z for wanting to drift every corner.

PNF, waiting on pics... of gf.

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FlatBlackIan wrote:Ill take some time this week, and do some testing with a controller. I have the replays, so I know my average lap times. I can see for myself how big if any difference is made.
I don't think track length had anything to do with my win at tsukuba, its one of my favorite tracks. I know the braking points and lines very well. In reverse, I had not made a single dry lap on HSR, and it showed in the results.
Don't worry, if you want me to use controller, I will. Winning is not so important to me as to need to cheat. I had more fun on Fuji than anywhere else because biggie was pushing me and it was exciting.
Ill do some testing. It we keep doing GT500, i may relegate myself to the epson nix, or possibly sports tires.
I would rather lose using a wheel then win with a controller, but im open to all options.
Your times @ Tsukuba were beast, so I had to blame my lack of skill on something :gapteeth:
I would rather we were all on the same playing field, but I don't blame you when you say "I would rather lose using a wheel then win with a controller" so I will implement a points deduction from your final score.
The right kind of points deduction is tough though.

This is my best attempt:
People using wheels will use a different points
1st - 8 points
2nd - 5 points
3rd - 2 points
4th - 1 points
5th - 0 points
-1 point for every place under 5th.

Does this seem fair? It forces you to place in the top 3 constantly to stand a chance at winning the prize.

biggie wrote:And damn that Z for wanting to drift every corner. PNF, waiting on pics... of gf.
I had to raise the Diff settings higher in order to keep my GT-R in a straight line.

Also, ZING! :lolling:

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biggie wrote:I really could use a wheel. And damn that Z for wanting to drift every corner.

PNF, waiting on pics... of gf.
I'll have one up later, they're on my phone atm ;)

As far as drifting, i guess i can see how that wouldn't work, since there's no points sytem for sliding around. I'm up for whatever, though I think we should do a rally of the full Eiger track. That would be awesome and intense, especially if we have a turn out like yesterday's.

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RCA wrote: Your times @ Tsukuba were beast, so I had to blame my lack of skill on something :gapteeth:
I would rather we were all on the same playing field, but I don't blame you when you say "I would rather lose using a wheel then win with a controller" so I will implement a points deduction from your final score.
The right kind of points deduction is tough though.

This is my best attempt:
People using wheels will use a different points
1st - 8 points
2nd - 5 points
3rd - 2 points
4th - 1 points
5th - 0 points
-1 point for every place under 5th.

Does this seem fair? It forces you to place in the top 3 constantly to stand a chance at winning the prize.
My times were decent on tsukuba, what really made the deference was consistency. Save for 2 or 3 laps, my times all came in within a second or so of each other. This was greatly helped by the fact that I wasn't jockeying for position, so I could just hammer down, and run the fastest line.

We shall see, I will pick up a controller this week a give it a shot.

Just remember though. If I move back to a controller and still dominate, then what will you do?

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FlatBlackIan wrote:Just remember though. If I move back to a controller and still dominate, then what will you do?
Praise you for your awesomeness!

What do you think about the wheel points system, to harsh?
ProudNissanFreak wrote: I'm up for whatever, though I think we should do a rally of the full Eiger track. That would be awesome and intense, especially if we have a turn out like yesterday's.
I have a future event planned that is comprised of mostly snow and dirt tracks. ;)
Also, let me know if you need any help, I can gift you some cars so you can get back on your GT5 feet. I owe you one.

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My FWD selection is limited and 256hp will seem so slow.

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Blah!

You have done the GTi & Volvo Seasonals? There goes 2 FF you could use. Or you can pick up 6 different Hondas for the race. The tracks I choose have little braking and so far I found it to be really fun. IDK how that will do with 7-8 people though.

Also PNF just lost all his data, I figured I would make this one cheap.

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Screw a negative point system. I think Ian should just use a controller like everyone else. If he still wins then props and bragging rights to you. But I do agree that a steering wheel is a huge advantage. Its way smoother through turns.

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My Civic is all set for the race haha :D

And RCA I would anything you can send, duped or not :)

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ProudNissanFreak wrote:My Civic is all set for the race haha :D

And RCA I would anything you can send, duped or not :)
I'll see if I can send you a Ferrari F2007 this way you can collect like $300k and a bunch or XP from the Ferrari Seasonals.
Do me a favor and send a friend request to GT5_0002_ and GT5_0001_.
alms24sebring wrote:Screw a negative point system. I think Ian should just use a controller like everyone else. If he still wins then props and bragging rights to you. But I do agree that a steering wheel is a huge advantage. Its way smoother through turns.
I think the biggest advantage is the throttle control. Pedals rock!

In larger racing meet ups, they have both controller users and wheel users together but the controller users compete with the controller users and wheel users with wheel users. It's like watching GT2 and GT3 cars on the same track. Adds a cool dynamic. I feel like we are ostracized him for using a wheel :frown:
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alms24sebring wrote:Screw a negative point system. I think Ian should just use a controller like everyone else. If he still wins then props and bragging rights to you. But I do agree that a steering wheel is a huge advantage. Its way smoother through turns.
Wow, this is a touchier subject than I thought. No need to get so bent out of shape.

Coming from someone who has spent serious time with both a controller and wheel, I will tell you, the advantage you refer to is not as large as you think. When using a wheel, the game becomes more difficult. Yes it allows you to be more precise, but at the same time, the game requires you to be so. I just spent time with a controller today. Its not new to me, I got to around 30% on GT5 with it, and I platinumed Dirt 2 with it before getting the wheel. The controller is gifted so that in turns, if you push to what would be full lock, the game only allows the wheels to turn as far as grip allows, and maybe slightly further. The wheel on the other hand, will do exactly what you tell it to. Steering too hard during a corner rapidly overheats the front tires. If you are not careful this can and will lead to a sudden fit of understeer that will send you into the weeds. The same is true when correcting a slide. This adds difficulty to the game.

IMHO, the biggest benifit of the wheel is not the wheel at all, but the throttle. You have more control, it is easier to open the throttle without upsetting the car in corners. This is why I raced the whole series with TCS off. Trust me, wheel or not, a Super GT car can get hairy very quickly without traction control, and it shows in the replays. If any of you are using the D pad to steer, or X as throttle, then you are handicapping yourselves.

My tests today reaffirmed this.

Running the same borrowed Calsonic GTR, I ran five laps at Tsukuba with a controller. I have not used it for GT5 in nearly 2 months, and Ive hardly played Dirt 2 since I got GT5.

The very first 5 laps with standing start as follows.

1.01
low 57
mid 56
low 56
high 55

The 55 being almost identical to the fastest lap I had during Sunday's race.

The following 5 laps hovered in the low 56s.

I dont use the wheel to be faster. I use it because it adds depth to the game, and in some ways makes it harder. It requires skills the controller does not.

Either way, I could scream this all day long, and most or all of you wont believe me. I guess its time to nut up or shut up. ;) :naughty:

I will do my best to make the next event, and I'll bring my controller. Afterwards, we can reassess the situation.

RCA, I dont think a sliding point scale is the best way to implement a handicap. It wont promote wheel to wheel racing, and anyone who gains a lead, gets the advantage of being all alone on the track. I think 1 or 2 steps down in tires would be more effective. This would also help negate some of the benefits of better throttle control. And I have already talked about TCS off.


With all that being said, I think some of you guys should look into getting wheels. They are a blast, and not nearly as expensive as you think. I picked my wheel up for $100, and built the rest for less than that.

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FlatBlackIan wrote:
alms24sebring wrote:Screw a negative point system...
Wow, this is a touchier subject than I thought. No need to get so bent out of shape....
Yeah that was kind of how I feel about it.

Ian's a cool dude and so is alms so I didn't expect this to get out of hand.
Ian, the tire restrictions sound like a good idea. Try running some laps with the Sport Softs and see what the laps times look like. Just remember, all these laps on the Calsonic will increase HP and might throw off the lap times. On Tsbuka I noticed a 0.33 per HP.

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Hey Rich, jcide has sent me the F2007. :D

thatguyroger, i'll return the takata when i get on next. thanks for the loan!

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For me the biggest advantage of the wheel is the smooth and controlled throttle and brake input.
I wouldn't even want to play if I didn't have a wheel. So much more fun.

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RCA wrote: Ian, the tire restrictions sound like a good idea. Try running some laps with the Sport Softs and see what the laps times look like. Just remember, all these laps on the Calsonic will increase HP and might throw off the lap times. On Tsbuka I noticed a 0.33 per HP.
I thoroughly plan on doing lots of testing for different handicap options, not only for those using wheels, but also for anyone who dominates a series. Im going to try and get Cale to help me test as a control. Plus he needs practice (shameless jab). RCA, if I see you on at random, I may throw you an invite as well.

As for HP increase, I havn't driven my own car since before Sunday's race. I am using the arcade version of the calsonic GTR, which I also used on Sunday.

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ProudNissanFreak wrote:Hey Rich, jcide has sent me the F2007. :D

thatguyroger, i'll return the takata when i get on next. thanks for the loan!
Nice! I will probably send you an Formula GT so you can knock off a bunch of the races.
jcide wrote:For me the biggest advantage of the wheel is the smooth and controlled throttle and brake input.
I wouldn't even want to play if I didn't have a wheel. So much more fun.
How about you show up Mr.?

You're alway MIA on Sunday afternoons.
FlatBlackIan wrote:I thoroughly plan on doing lots of testing for different handicap options, not only for those using wheels, but also for anyone who dominates a series. Im going to try and get Cale to help me test as a control. Plus he needs practice (shameless jab). RCA, if I see you on at random, I may throw you an invite as well.

As for HP increase, I havn't driven my own car since before Sunday's race. I am using the arcade version of the calsonic GTR, which I also used on Sunday.
Awesome! I like how you're taking the possible variables out of the question; good testing methods!

Yeah send me invites when ever. I check this thread regularly so letting me know you headed online here would probably be your best bet. I some times miss invites when playing or B-Specing.

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ProudNissanFreak wrote:thatguyroger, i'll return the takata when i get on next. thanks for the loan!
no problem man!

on another note, i'm really hating my ps3 right now, i keep getting errors when i'm trying to transfer my photos from the races :bang

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RCA wrote: You're alway MIA on Sunday afternoons.
I don't play much in the afternoon. I'm more of a 3:00 am racer.
Actually I haven't played at all lately.

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ok resolved the issue and got photos up, check em! i hope you can recognize yalls cars though, haha
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