Gino's 300zx build

[legion]

Would love to see this thing go up against a built supra

[DCaff300ZX]

Pretty hard to imagine that after watching this build that all of the correct engine details have been well thought out from top to bottom...

[car nut]

900whp would not blow them apart. The thing limiting Gino from reaching 900whp is the fact that thats over 1100hp at the crank. That is a f*** load of power for a 3 liter V6 that isn't being built for racing (i.e. engine should last for more than 500 miles). There are other things that would blow due to extreme stress/pressure before his internals were destroyed.

I think your limiting factor will be the turbos. If you had bigger snails, you could probably get more power but driveability would take a huge hit. Plus 800whp = 1000 or so at the crank. I'd say mission accomplished

[Gino]

You might wanna do a little more research gino... your internals are only good around 800rwhp max. 900 would blow them apart.

Ill make sure to also fill Greg Dupree at Specialty Z in on that one, seeing as he is putting down over 800 through an auto trans with the same turbos and same rods with god knows how many drag passes as well as street driving. I really should warn him that his motor is about to blow up! Thank you!

900whp would not blow them apart. The thing limiting Gino from reaching 900whp is the fact that thats over 1100hp at the crank. That is a f*** load of power for a 3 liter V6 that isn't being built for racing (i.e. engine should last for more than 500 miles). There are other things that would blow due to extreme stress/pressure before his internals were destroyed.

I think your limiting factor will be the turbos. If you had bigger snails, you could probably get more power but driveability would take a huge hit. Plus 800whp = 1000 or so at the crank. I'd say mission accomplished

exactly. Some people need to have a better understanding of engine dynamics as well as other factors. Seems to me that everyone that speculates and questions are the people that have never done anything remotely like this before. Pretty funny when you rely on hear-say from the minority of people rather than experience from the majority. It only takes one bad mouth to ruin a reputation no matter whether its true or not. If I wanted to go real crazy I would do custom manifolds and bigger turbos, but I'd like to keep a usable powerband, a lot of people these days forget what thats all about, just so they can say they have 700hp on a 1.8 liter motor. What they leave out is that at 5000rpm they have 200hp. 7000rpm they have350hp. 8500rpm they have 700 lol.

Would love to see this thing go up against a built supra

don't worry, it will. and there will be videos.

one thing a lot of people seem to not be comprehending is that I will NOT be running around on 36lbs of boost daily driving this car. I have a DD, and even then, it's not like every time I take the car out I will be boosting as hard as I can. I don't plan on keeping race gas in the car 24/7, so stop speculating that this will happen or that will happen or this isn't right as you do not know the full details in depth an d accurately just because you viewed it on a page on the internets.
Modified by Gino at 3:20 PM 12/1/2009

[AchilleZ32]

don't worry, it will. and there will be Blood.

'Fixed

Your car is amazing Eventually I hope to have mine in the 400hp range, lol. BTW, I think DCaff was vouching for you, I don't know if you know that or not. I might have missed something in between though.

[Gino]

if he meant "haven't" then yes lol.

Im just getting very anxious haha i want it running!

[tg]

dcaff's post was taken the wrong way

@ car nut -- my engine is spec'd for over 1300hp at the crank, and I'm expecting it to last over 500 miles hehe.

The thing everybody needs to get straight here is that you don't drive around ALL the time at peak hp. Once in a blue moon when you're at the strip or at the dyno (or when you come across a $300,000 supercar with a fine piece in the passenger seat) then you turn up the boost and let it rip.

Get some pics up Gino!!

ps - how well do you know Greg?

[car nut]

^Ah, the almighty boost controller. Designed for the sole purpose of impressing women and making ricers cry. Or that punk in a Camaro who raises his nose to your "Rice Burner".

Seriously though does anyone use it for much more than that?

DCaff could've used some punctuation lol.

[nissanz300]

well fine i retract my previous statement. Just when i talked to ashley powers,z1,and harry. they dont recommend more than 850. i have heard people running fine with 750 all day as soon as they went to around 850...pop. but maybe thats there f**k up.

and no im not just saying this. i Have your almost exact setup right now gino. i too am in the middle of the same build. except i have the hks 2530 turbos. other than that its about the same

[Gino]

don't get me wrong, the eagle rods have bent slightly before on high high hp...from the factory they are rated at 900hp. But you gotta remember bending won't be from a few quick blasts. Heavy heat cycles and HEAVY aggressive driving at maximum HP is what will do this. Cranking up the boost for a few races once in a while will not bend the rods, and daily boost with only around 650hp will not do anything.

If i were to track my car (not drag race, actual track) where it would be under heavy loads and high rpms for extended periods of time, yes I would be concerned. But high way blasts here and there should not present any problems. harry builds a lot of cars that see the track, i.e. extended periods of high internal strain, I have only heard of one car on eagle rods bending the rods and that was on a track car not a street car..again, Greg at specialty Z, the 9.3 second drag car, is on eagle rods...

[Ace2cool]

Haha, ONLY 650hp...

[andrez]

wow....only.....to most of us thats a wet dream that you just dont wanna wake up from

[tg]

carillo rods ftw good for 270 per cylinder.

[SBC300]

Ill make sure to also fill Greg Dupree at Specialty Z in on that one, seeing as he is putting down over 800 through an auto trans with the same turbos and same rods with god knows how many drag passes as well as street driving. I really should warn him that his motor is about to blow up! Thank you!

exactly. Some people need to have a better understanding of engine dynamics as well as other factors. Seems to me that everyone that speculates and questions are the people that have never done anything remotely like this before. Pretty funny when you rely on hear-say from the minority of people rather than experience from the majority. It only takes one bad mouth to ruin a reputation no matter whether its true or not. If I wanted to go real crazy I would do custom manifolds and bigger turbos, but I'd like to keep a usable powerband, a lot of people these days forget what thats all about, just so they can say they have 700hp on a 1.8 liter motor. What they leave out is that at 5000rpm they have 200hp. 7000rpm they have350hp. 8500rpm they have 700 lol.

don't worry, it will. and there will be videos.

one thing a lot of people seem to not be comprehending is that I will NOT be running around on 36lbs of boost daily driving this car. I have a DD, and even then, it's not like every time I take the car out I will be boosting as hard as I can. I don't plan on keeping race gas in the car 24/7, so stop speculating that this will happen or that will happen or this isn't right as you do not know the full details in depth an d accurately just because you viewed it on a page on the internets.

Modified by Gino at 3:20 PM 12/1/2009

Then again.....

I have a great race for you if you want to run a supra with a STOCK bottom end.http://www.youtube.com/user/da...iI6vA

Or a Eagle small block Ford with twins and a EAGLE bottom end pushing 1800 at the flywheel and still working on the tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXm-pVr_Qwo(old vid)

So........ Opinions vary......

You have a great build dont get me wrong..... But be careful about the call outs.

[Gino]

haha I haven't called anyone out, yet.

I personally know A LOT of supra guys, 98% of them are single'd all ranging between 600 and 1100hp, not to mention a good friends TT 04 Cobra that just put 1111whp.

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying I'm the fastest person around. I know there are still cars that will rape the ever living s*** out of me, but ill be in the top percentile. Around here I'll be in the top 99% and the other 1% are people I know. I'm not a s*** talker I'd rather go for fun.

[nissanz300]

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying I'm the fastest person around. I know there are still cars that will rape the ever living s*** out of me, but ill be in the top percentile. Around here I'll be in the top 99% and the other 1% are people I know. I'm not a s*** talker I'd rather go for fun.

amen

[SBC300]

haha I haven't called anyone out, yet.

I personally know A LOT of supra guys, 98% of them are single'd all ranging between 600 and 1100hp, not to mention a good friends TT 04 Cobra that just put 1111whp.

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying I'm the fastest person around. I know there are still cars that will rape the ever living s*** out of me, but ill be in the top percentile. Around here I'll be in the top 99% and the other 1% are people I know. I'm not a s*** talker I'd rather go for fun.

I wasnt rippin on you, just sayin....

The Supra is a single and has run 8.04. Having a motor that makes power and getting it to the asphalt is a whole different thing. I know lots of high hp cars that cant hook, break every time they are started, throw driveshafts, break housings, twist frames, etc....... Glad you are just doing it because you can and its fun, that makes it a good build.

[DCaff300ZX]

dcaff's post was taken the wrong way

@ car nut -- my engine is spec'd for over 1300hp at the crank, and I'm expecting it to last over 500 miles hehe.

The thing everybody needs to get straight here is that you don't drive around ALL the time at peak hp. Once in a blue moon when you're at the strip or at the dyno (or when you come across a $300,000 supercar with a fine piece in the passenger seat) then you turn up the boost and let it rip.

Get some pics up Gino!!

ps - how well do you know Greg?

Thanks TG and beast Z32...I was indeed backing Gino.

From reading Gino's notes he seems MORE than in tune with his build, and then catching up from there he has explained that indeed he knows what he is doing...sorry for the confusion!

[Gino]

thanks Dcaff i re-read and realized how you meant it lol.

SBC- oh yea, major power and traction in the same car is like a unicorn. I just plan on running r-compounds (275/35/18r - 255/35/18f) *most likely toyo R888's or RA1's* so we'll see what kind of traction lol. It won't be a daily or bad weather car, but i still would rather not run drag radials

[Z32 TwinZ]

the toyo R888's look mean! that was the other tire i was debating about when i was looking at tires. i think i might pick up a set when my nitto nt-05's are done. i need to do some more research on how long they will last.. also ill have to drive slower than i already am with my nitto's in the rain.. under 50mph at least..

[Z32 TwinZ]

but i also want to see how the INVO does. 60% more comfort than the nt-05 but 7% less grip.. want to see if the 7% more grip is worth the -60% comfort. so i might get the INVO and let you test the R888's

[tg]

If its not a daily then i'd definitely go with a softer compound, you can pick up a full 10-12% on the skidpad and a good part of a second on the 1/4 mile.

[Gino]

thought about full on slicks (hankook ventus z214) but have heard amazing things about the r888's. I have no concern about tire wear as it will not be driven nearly as much as it was, and I don't want drag radials because I love to drive hard and do back road runs, so i need something with a stiff sidewall...so most likely the r888's

and yes they are dead sexy tires lol

[Z32 TwinZ]

If its not a daily then i'd definitely go with a softer compound, you can pick up a full 10-12% on the skidpad and a good part of a second on the 1/4 mile.

haha mine is a DD

[tg]

R888's are the next best thing, I went through like 4 sets of kuhmo supra mx/ecsta mx's though and they stuck surprisingly well for the price, better than pnero's and they have decent lifespan.

Wish they made the R888's in my size, dont know why they make the T1R in 25 offset and not the r888's but it sucks all the same.
Modified by tg at 3:23 AM 12/5/2009

[Gino]

thats actually what is on the rear of my car right now, Ecsta MX's..they are amazing tires for 400whp lol but not for what it will be

[tg]

thats actually what is on the rear of my car right now, Ecsta MX's..they are amazing tires for 400whp lol but not for what it will be

Get wider ones they are great tires, unless you're on the track you probably wont notice a huge difference between those and any other similarly-priced tire. The R888's are an exception but forget about driving in the rain.

[Gino]

lol im on a 275/35/18 right now, i'm stepping up to a 285 with the R888's. I don't plan on having the car out in the rain at all so I'm not worried about that. I doubt any non r-compound or drag radial will be able to hold my car in 3rd on pump gas after this motor lol

[Z32TT]

its coming along real good i wanna see this thing on the road already

[SBC300]

I doubt any non r-compound or drag radial will be able to hold my car in 3rd on pump gas after this motor lol

Drag radials will hold a lot more than your car will put out. Lots of 2000hp + cars are running them. Tim Lynch ran a 6.53 @ 220 on 10.5 radials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...e=fvw