ECU Group buy information.

Post by **elwesso** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:48 am

see the other thread..... should be on the 2nd page.....

Post by **elwesso** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:51 am

for your linking pleasure...

please read this thread and THEN ask quesitons: zerothread?id=147520

Post by **Q45CALIBER** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:04 am

I really what to buy in to this but I do not have a 90-93 ECU.....

If I can round upo the cabage before the end of the day can I just pay pal now and continue to look for the older ECU?

I have 2 94's one w/TCS the other without.

Can I send the 94 ECu w/TCS for now until you guys are able to program it?

Post by **elwesso** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:02 am

Just wait until the 94 ECUs are confirmed to wait.. I may do a seperate group buy for just 94 ECU.

Post by **elwesso** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:28 am

ALL CORES ARE BEING USED RIGHT NOW!!!!!! For the remainder of this GB, you must send an ECU to robert.

Post by **chinaonnitrous** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:25 am

*cues smart a$$ voice* you know if youd send mine out now, youd have a core back quicker .. */smart a$$ voice*

hehehehheheee

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elwesso wrote:ALL CORES ARE BEING USED RIGHT NOW!!!!!! For the remainder of this GB, you must send an ECU to robert.

Post by **GreenQ45a** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:00 pm

elwesso wrote:Just wait until the 94 ECUs are confirmed to wait.. I may do a seperate group buy for just 94 ECU.

I want to be in the 1994-1995 GB...

Post by **qsiguy** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:53 pm

Wes, I have a '94 Q and was going to wait until you had the 94 setup complete. I found a good deal on a '93 ECU that will work on my car w/o active and with TCS for a good price. Can I still get the intro price on the ECU upgrade using this '93 ECU or do I have to wait for the '94 model? I'd like to keep my stock '94 and upgrade the '93 if I still have that option.

Post by **elwesso** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:53 am

The 93 ECU wont work, if you read the label on the top it has to be A18-Axx-xxxx and that ecu is likely a A18-Bxx-xxxx

Post by **RobertsnewQ** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:18 pm

93 ECUs are OK, but it must be gold ano not dull silver.

So far, all A18-AXX like Wes mentioned work, but I have found some A18-BXX ECUs that are the right kind. Check with me first.

So far the surest way is to pull the lid off and look at it, but the screws strip easily.

Post by **redmanfx** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:00 pm

paypal sent.

red

Post by **qsiguy** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:31 pm

RobertsnewQ wrote:93 ECUs are OK, but it must be gold ano not dull silver.

So far, all A18-AXX like Wes mentioned work, but I have found some A18-BXX ECUs that are the right kind. Check with me first.

So far the surest way is to pull the lid off and look at it, but the screws strip easily.

Robert or Wes, I contacted the place that has that '93 ECU and they said "The box is gold anodized and has the part# a18 812-p74"

Should I go ahead and get this one? 4th digit is an 8 instead of an A or B, is that a problem?

Post by **RobertsnewQ** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:39 pm

It's probably a B, but they're blind

Did you look on the JWT list? (linked in the other thread)

How much is it?

If $50 or so, I say go for it and I;ll let you know. Have them ship directly to me.

Post by **one ton garage** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:16 am

any experimentations with tunes for forced induction applications yet?

Post by **elwesso** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:08 am

We have not done any boost type things, however we are going to acquire a JWT boost ECU soon and then retune it for better boost tuning...... with larger injectors (555s)

Post by **qsiguy** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:26 am

Ordering ECU now, drop shipping to Robert today or tomorrow

Post by **RobertsnewQ** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:54 am

Depends on the boost & Injectors you plan to run. If stock injectors and <7.5 psi boost, I'd be happy to do a test tune for you & adjust as necessary.

If you're wanting to lay down the big numbers, with some big squirters, I'd prefer that you fly me out with my laptop and pay for some dyno time.

Post by **one ton garage** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:56 pm

elwesso wrote:We have not done any boost type things, however we are going to acquire a JWT boost ECU soon and then retune it for better boost tuning...... with larger injectors (555s)

wow... what are jwt's thoughts on you guys just expanding/altering their existing "designs?" There was some dude locally who was doing something similar, and just altering a few of jwt's (and he was doing enthalpy's ECUs also) map values to make it different... and last I heard jwt was suing him over it. Then again jwt's setup wasn't anything ground-breakingly original either, but hopefully you guys aren't sticking too close to what they have because I heard they are getting kinda uptight about that lately

Post by **squeefoo** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:52 pm

one ton garage wrote:
wow... what are jwt's thoughts on you guys just expanding/altering their existing "designs?" There was some dude locally who was doing something similar, and just altering a few of jwt's (and he was doing enthalpy's ECUs also) map values to make it different... and last I heard jwt was suing him over it. Then again jwt's setup wasn't anything ground-breakingly original either, but hopefully you guys aren't sticking too close to what they have because I heard they are getting kinda uptight about that lately

The requirements for bringing a Federal civil lawsuit due to patent, or copyright for infringement are the responsibility of the "aggrieved" party, and the burden of proof lies in whether the intellectual property has been altered materially or substantially from it's intended use, thereby causing "harm" to the original IP holder.

There are so many if's that no answer is possible...

There is no way RobertsnewQ or Elwesso have any idea of what JWT "thinks".

Post by **elwesso** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:10 pm

Heres a couple things that makes ours different:

1. We only compared it with JWT and then basically rebuilt the stock ECU2. WE did not get the BIN files illegally off the internet. We had ECUs that we bought, thus we can legally do whatever we want with the ECU...

Post by **RobertsnewQ** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:51 pm

NONE of the chips that I have made incorporate JWT tuning, JWT files, JWT maps or JWT copyrighted materials.

I (and Wes) mention JWT ONLY by way of comparison. I've seen what they do, I know what they do, and I don't care. My fuel maps, timing maps and even code base are completely different from an JWT chip. All of my tuning is done with a WB O2 sensor & dyno from scratch.

In addition, I've done hours and hours of disassembly of the stock code to uncover my own maps, scales and areas for modification.

Now, if I take a JWT-tuned ECU, and I remove the JWT chip and burn my own with a different bin file, it is perfectly legal. I could even erase the JWT chip and reprogram it with my own tune, which would still be legal.

Copying someone else's file and selling it is ILLEGAL. I don't do that, and I hope noone would do it to my files (although they're a good sight cheaper). And, FWIW, JWT embeds a copyright notice in all their bins, so they can tell if you just copied it.

Post by **qsiguy** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:22 pm

Show me a company or product that has competition that doesn't compare their product to the competition. You won't find any.....

Keep up the good work!

P.S. Waiting patiently for my new ECU!

Post by **maxnix** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:37 pm

elwesso wrote:Heres a couple things that makes ours different:

1. We only compared it with JWT and then basically rebuilt the stock ECU2. WE did not get the BIN files illegally off the internet. We had ECUs that we bought, thus we can legally do whatever we want with the ECU...

You know, the less you confess in public, the better off you will be.

Post by **one ton garage** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:18 pm

i think it's good that they are forthright with what they are doing actually... it shows that there is some knowledge involved here, and not just another hack-and-slash operation. With that local guy who was just selling reprogrammed ECUs with verbatim tunes, a friend told me he had tried asking the guy some technical questions, and he couldn't provide any answers... so that wasn't a good sign.

As for litigation.. I think a lot of companies just tend to like being a bully and threaten lawsuit vs. small time folks just to stifle the market sometimes, even if they don't really ever intend to carry through.

Post by **elwesso** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:50 am

We have nothing to hide, so why not just be up front about it?

Post by **QShip** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:22 am

I recall Glenn saying the same thing about his ecu chip.

He changed a few things and said it was legal.

Post by **maxnix** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:40 am

elwesso wrote:We have nothing to hide, so why not just be up front about it?

You obviously are not that familiar with the US legal system and unscrupulous attorneys and their unscrupulous clients.

Best to let them force disclosure with your own counsel than smearing it all over a public forum. Just a word to the inexperienced.

Sometimes right loses to bucks.

Post by **squeefoo** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:07 am

Quote »Best to let them force disclosure with your own counsel than smearing it all over a public forum. Just a word to the inexperienced. [/quote] Bravo!

Post by **GreenQ45a** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:33 pm

Anyway......

What about the 1994 and 1995 HG50\Q45a W\TCS and G50\Q45 "t" and Base

Still want a group buy in...

Shoud I just buy a 1993 ECU??

If so does it have to be 1993 Active w\TCS ECU?

or will any 91-93 work?

Post by **elwesso** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:46 pm

it actually needs to be 90-92 to be safe....

Dont worry about active, just make sure it has TCS..... we can make it active

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