Guaging interest on a BETTER THAN JWT Q45 ECU.

[elwesso]

Only applies to 90-95 Q

You've heard the rumors, you've heard the speculation, and here it is finally... This ECU is MORE POWERFUL than the JWT ECU, and it is ALSO safer!!

Myself and RobertsNewQ are making these ECU's EXCLUSIVELY for NICO members...

Most of you know that Ive had a JWT in my Q since I bought it. I really wasnt expecting much difference, but there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between this ECU and the JWT ECU.. Just think how much better it will feel than your stock ECU!!!

I guess a better way to describe it woudl be its a more optimized JWT...

Robert will come in and tell everyone the technicalities of this, but heres what I can tell you...

- leaned out the midrange fuel.

- Added timing in the high-RPM/load ranges of the maps (up to 5 degrees)

- raised rev limiter to 7400

- Safer knock timing map: A little known fact about the JWT ECU is that they only used one map... Most people know that if the knock sensors detect knocking, it will switch to an alternate set of fuel and timing parameters.. The JWT does NOT have this feature. So its safe to say, that if the car ever knocked, it may never stop knocking!! They did this so taht people with bad knock sensors would feel a difference. OUR ECU WILL NOT DO ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE BAD KNOCK SENSORS. When the ECU detects the KS are bad, it defaults to the knock timing map, which is significantly less powerful than the regular one.

- lowered the VTC point to 4200 (this is the point when the ECU switches the intake cams for the longer duration, thus more air)

- With the above said, if your car does knock, the ECU will effectively stop it..

- Eliminated the extra 3rd gear fuel map so it should pull harder in 3rd gear than the JWT

- 4th gear timing map optimized for acceleration while maintaining good gas mileage

So... How does one get one??

Heres the "bad news" of all this... So far this only works for 90-93 ECU's. This really isnt bad news for us 94-95 owners, i have a 91 ECU in there right now and it works just like the 94 ECU.... The reason for this, is they changed the ECUs in 94, and they no longer make a chip compatible in that board... They do for the 90-93 ECUs....

All you have to do is find an ECU from a 90-93.... Heres some more details in regards to ECUs you need to find..

- Active ECUs vs non active ECUs are identical except for the software (meaning no difference in the boards)... So you can buy a non active ECU and we can turn it into an active ECU. Likewise, if you have an active ECU, we can take off the active part. Incidentially, the ECU i have in my Q was for an active car.- TCS vs NON TCS- This is where the snaffeus come in. This is kind of confusing so ill try and make it as clear as possible. If you have a TCS car, you MUST get a TCS ECU. I can help determine this. If you buy a TCS ECU, and your car is non TCS, we can convert it to a non TCS ECU...- Federal vs california is all in the software and we can easily change it...

So now your sold on this thing, and then you remember how much the JWT costs... $600 or so and it takes weeks or months to get.... Heres the damage report (ALL PRICES INCLUDE SHIPPING to continental 48, outside that and out of country will be adjusted accordingly) :

- $150 if we provide the core. You pay, you get the ECU, you send back your stock ECU.- $100 if you send us your core.

NOTE: IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A JWT ECU YOU ONLY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE NEW CHIP (or the reprogramming charge, seen below). HOWEVER THIS ONLY APPLIES TO IF YOU HAVE A 90-93 ECU.

As it stands, we have these core ECUs:2x TCS2x NoTCS

Additionally we also offer these services:- Customizations, which we can make new programs to accomodate boost, larger injectors, disabling EGR, and so on.- Reprograms- We may come out with a revised program, and we can send you a new chip for $15 and you can install it yourself. When this mod is done, we install a socket so that you can remove the chips in and out of the board with ease.

Now, please dont ask me for dyno numbers... I didnt dyno test this, and I have no intentions of doing it at this time..... Maybe someone else can do that...... However, it was enough for me to notice a change over the JWT ECU..... If the JWT ECU gives 25HP, id say this gives about another 15HP... Compared to the JWT ECU, it pulls harder and sooner than the JWT...

This is not the official group buy thread, this is your time to ask questions... The final program is still in beta testing in my car right now.. im waiting on another program that is slightly better than the one I have now...

This isnt a "when we get to this" or "what if". This ECU is functioning and I have been running it my car for about 2-3 weeks.

[pdqwrx]

What about crappy California pee water? Has anybody tried this in California? If not, perhaps I can try one out. I have a strong running 94 non TCS car that I drive pretty hard. Anyway, pee water aside I am interested. I bring this up because my Subaru tuner had a heck of a time tuning for California gas, it took several remaps.

Let me know...... Ane Wes, any luck on those doors?Later Scott

[chinaonnitrous]

Nor-cali here aslo.

Im in.

Anything I can do to help development?

[chinaonnitrous]

Sorry for the retarded double post

but...........150?! bucks.......

Almost too good to be true. Do i need the JWT ecu first? I assume no.

So If i had 150 in my hand, I send it....i get a super cool ECU that can be upgraded, and I send mine back.

Im still waiting for the "oh it'll be 400 more dollars" post...

[CrimsonQ]

my paypal is waiting Wes. Maybe by christmas? Hire some elves to build them

[Raxephon]

How will it effect gas mileage?

I'm interested, just waiting for RobertsNewQ to post before I commit to anything.

[Ozzie]

I was going to say i am interested, but I just went and pulled the cover off of the ECU, and found out that I have..........an IMPUL ECU!!!!

I think I will leave mine alone.....

But, sounds like a really good deal.Cheap power upgrade.

[DrewQ45]

"Guaging interest on a BETTER THAN JWT Q45 ECU"

Can you see my interest on your gauge, or maybe the needle has pinned out of sight.

I'm avidly seeking an ECU right now.

...Drew...

[maxnix]

I was going to say i am interested, but I just went and pulled the cover off of the ECU, and found out that I have..........an IMPUL ECU!!!!

I think I will leave mine alone.....

But, sounds like a really good deal.Cheap power upgrade.

Yeah, the Impul should be pretty aggressive as it assumes JDM gasoline quality.

But for $150 + regular ECU, I am game for a try. After all, I know where Wes lives if it doesn't work!

Too bad Robert cannot get a chip for the later ECM.
Modified by maxnix at 11:26 AM 12/4/2005

[elwesso]

Gas mileage should remain the same..... So far mine has remained mostly uneffected... Went down because the week i was driving it i beat the piss out of the car... Our new map is going to have a more fuel economy related high gear map.. also i have a really dirty air filter, im about 2 months past my yearly change..... *sigh*...

We are going to optimize each ECU for 91 octane so they are good anywhere in the country. My ECU is optimized for 93 octane since thats where I live.. Shouldnt really make much difference on performance, if anything at all.... Remember that if it DOES knock, you will know it (huge performance decrease) and it will safely run on that....

The impul ECU should be about equivalent to this ECU... We had a JDM ECU and we compared it to the US ECU and made some tweaks that way.....

This ECU gives the MAXIMUM performance that you cna get out of an ECU...

The only thing Im waiting on before we realy get this started is testing of the final production map.....

Sorry for the retarded double post

but...........150?! bucks.......

Almost too good to be true. Do i need the JWT ecu first? I assume no.

So If i had 150 in my hand, I send it....i get a super cool ECU that can be upgraded, and I send mine back.

Im still waiting for the "oh it'll be 400 more dollars" post...

You wonder why JWT charges so much, when it really is this easy..

The bottom line here is, me and Robert arent trying to scew anyone over... Ill be honest, we are charging a little bit over total costs to factor in shipping, paypal expenses, and I also decided if this goes over well we will make a donation to NICO as a result of these earnings.....

Any more questions...? We'll see what robert says, but Ive been referencing his emails (we went inot MUCH more detail than this) and I doubt he'll really have much to add.

[ceningolmo]

I am interested...

[gniknave]

Just $15 for the chip? I'd be an idiot not to do it! Just say when...

[bmwkiller]

If you have a list, put me on it please.

[Jeff Williams]

If you have a list, put me on it please.

Me too.

OK, we need to be careful not to bid against one another on 90-93 ECU's on eBay.

Can you program the first gear start on the 90-92 factory ECU's?

[maxnix]

Can you program the first gear start on the 90-92 factory ECU's?

That's controlled by the TCM.

Seems like that would be the next to be revised to allow for earlier downshifts and later upshifts.

[AZhitman]

My 95 ECU will be headed y'alls way, just gimme the word.

I'll also do a full comparo between a JWT and the "NICO ECU" for press purposes, and if it's article-worthy, we'll go that route too.

[elwesso]

We are working on the TCU right now, robert tells me its harder to work with that since the information isnt as easy to find as on the ECU.

[q45_owner]

So when do you expect to start a group buy on this project? Also, this may be a dumb question but is the ECU relatively easy to pull out?

[elwesso]

ECU takes about 15 mins to pull... really easy, just a screwdriver and a 10mm wrench....

Once I get my new EPROM and test it, we'll be good... Plan is to commence before christmas.

[Q45denver]

- TCS vs NON TCS- This is where the snaffeus come in. This is kind of confusing so ill try and make it as clear as possible. If you have a TCS car, you MUST get a TCS ECU. I can help determine this. If you buy a TCS ECU, and your car is non TCS, we can convert it to a non TCS ECU...- Federal vs california is all in the software and we can easily change it....

Wes are you running the the '94-95 TCS version software in yours? I thought the '90-93 TCS was different?

[elwesso]

My Q doesnt have TCS...... However I doubt it would make any difference, ive no reason to think that 90-93 TCS ECU wouldnt work just fine in a 94 TCS car.

However, my original ECU had TCS (on a non TCS ECU) and all it did was throw a code, no CEL.

[Q45denver]

Wes,

Could you post the differenct ECU model numbers or provide a link. Also, do you know if I could run my 1990 JWT non-TCS ECU in my 1995 w/TCS?

[elwesso]

I ran my 90 active non TCS ECU in a 95 TCS car, and it ran fine just the slip and tcs lights were on... TCS didnt work but otherwise the car was as normal.

Let me find the links somewhere.....

[elwesso]

if you can get me the ECU part number i cantell you where it came from...

[3Q Jay]

Wes, RNQ- As I mentioned before, i have a spare 94 active, tcs ECU. Robert and I traded a few mails 6 weeks or so ago, and at that time, he said i was SOL, as the 94 motherboard was not part of his catalog. has that changed? meaning you can gut my 94 motherboard and put in the 90-93, but keep my active and tcs programming?The offer still stands, I'm more than happy to donate my spare for testing.

Jayps: would want vvt map to kick around 3000, remove top speed limiter, enrich above 6800 to keep pistons from melting on the way to 7400 fuel cut.

[3Q Jay]

btw, p/n of my 2 ecu's is: A18-B23-PA9

[elwesso]

Jay

The setup is completely safe as it is..... all the way up to 7400 PRM.. there is still a nice margin of safety, theres just not as much...

You will need to find another TCS 90-93 ECU, it doesnt have ot be active because we can program the active stuff in tehre... The active stuff is in the software on the EPROM, so we can change a regular ECU to an active ECU and vice versa.....

The TCS is also the same.....

ALL: I am willing to talk to people on the phone about this ECU, if you have any questions you cna call me at 765-621-8336

[3Q Jay]

ok. got the p/n sheet for 91-93 tcs ecus?

how does she sound at 7400? i've only got to 7000 indicated before fuel cut. i love the sing of the vh45de above 4500. wicked.

[elwesso]

It sounds magical.....

really I just had him move it to 7400 so i wouldnt hit the limiter.... I always manually shift whenever Im nearing the redline...

Also i forgot to mention......

The car will still shift at 6900 RPM unless you hold the shifter out with the gated shifter...... So if you just floor it and leave it in drive, it will shift at 6900... instead of 7400.....

If youve got the PN sheet, please post it.....

Heres a few videos that are old, sometime this week I'll post a video that shows 0-100 so we can time 50-80, 0-100 and so on. Note these videos do not indicate the performance of the ECU.

http://q45.spilky.com/Q/102-0212_MVI.AVI

[chinaonnitrous]

Ready to send, I would send overight, whats turn around time?