Dude sweet.. KA supercharger kit!!

[7anshin]

Wow I just looked at how many of us are from Florida in this post... Anyway, isn't South Florida Performance's web address http://www.sfp.net? I can't get it to load for some reason.

Wanted to have a look around.

[wilfonzo]

maybe superchargers are more redneck than turbos therefore subconciously we are more attracted to them

sorry for the spelling the public education system sucks in Fl

[emperor_lunchbox]

As jewish as the 240 crowd is.....

Are you incinuating that the 240 crowd is comprised of people who have big noses?

[corey240]

if thats true then my dad needs to buy a 240 god what a nose

[fluff-a-nutter240]

do you guys really trust a kit that has one picture of an engine with no components of the supercharger or am i the only anal one on this site?

i cant agree with u anymore...i wouldnt buy it

[emperor_lunchbox]

do you guys really trust a kit that has one picture of an engine with no components of the supercharger or am i the only anal one on this site?

^ Ha. He said anal.

[91RMKS13]

i cant agree with u anymore...i wouldnt buy it

In one of my posts Thomas Knight said why there is a lack of pics. It is because he does not want people to copy his design. If you dont believe his resoning behind this count the number of posters in this thread that said that talk about how easily they claim that they could make their own kit the same way.

[nismo dreaming]

Looks like a good idea, but price is sorta high for something you could do yourslef. Also, i didnt see a pully on that water pump either. Looks like its a 80% done kit to me. I wonder if they have even tested all of this or if this is just some starter kit That would def. be a tight fit inside the engine bay. Id love to see some videos of this thing go though!!

[HKSdrift3r]

so to in order for a DIY, would one use the tensior of the S/C belt off of the xterra. Btw, did Thomas Knight say that the stock crank pulley can be used for the truck as well??

thx, George

[SeVa-S13]

Are you incinuating that the 240 crowd is comprised of people who have big noses?

And all have jewfros, even the asian kids.

Don't deny it.

[emperor_lunchbox]

Jewfro's and Beaks, what a humorous combination. Like a 70's toucan or something.

[benemorius]

Cut the crap, bishes! I'm tired of checking this thread for more info only to find more talk about big noses and the already-explained lack of pictures.

[turbo300]

HELLO, THIS IS THOMAS GEOFF KNIGHT--THE CAPS C0MMANDO!!! My eyesight is poor so I cant read standard lettering well. I want to thank many of you for your good comments and questions, and ask those who give ignorant flames of my design and research to just chill and wait. I would guess most who criticize have never and will never actually design anything. I actually do the hard work, at $250/hr. My average kits are $4k, but I know many of you did not pay that much for your cars, so I decided to make a kit for the lesser fortunate car owners. There are some owners who have spent thousands making their car nice, so my statements are not aimed at you. It is aimed at the ignorant in this group who claim these kits are 'easy' to make. Once one of you receives and tries to copy the kit it may be easy, but placing the blower for optimum airflow, positioning for oil filter clearance, and having the CNC program drawn in Autocad is not the pennies your foolish statements seem to imply. I have over 100 hrs in the design. That is $25,000 of my shop time. I usually get a $5000 initial design fee, but because SpeedLab (mark) is a friend of mine, I waived that fee, Having offered these kits on Ebay for less than what they cost to produce shows how little many of you know about costs involved. To those who are uninformed and claim a supercharger will not make as much power as my SC kits will, just wait and see one at the track. While the peak power may be 4-5% higher with the turbo, the flat torque curve of the supercharger will smoke the puny T25 turbos and spank them like bad children. Now if you compare 10 psi to 10 psi, I will admit slightly lower numbers against a properly designed turbo kit. However, some who use junkyard parts may get close, but will never match a properly sized turbo, FMIC, manifold etc. Not brag--just fact. We have the test vehicle ready for the dyno tomorrow, so just hush your flaming until the facts come out.

Geoff Knight

[Kenrik]

Wow this is interesting.. hmm..

[GhostDriver]

Ok, I haven't read the whole thread but I dig the KA-R.

[7anshin]

Ok, I haven't read the whole thread but I dig the KA-R.

You should. You will find all the usual supercharger talk. Lots of arguing, insinuations, bitching about costs, claims that it can be done easy, general a$$, design theft talk, lack of patent arguments and no one can agree on anything it seems.

I love it. Soon we will see the dyno numbers and hopefully see some real pictures of the product as soon as it is released (I understand your issues here Mr. Knight).

I'm excited about the whole thing, I just can't wait to see if I can afford it once all is said and done.

Good luck with the dyno!

[BadMojo]

I'm excited about the whole thing, I just can't wait to see if I can afford it once all is said and done.

Good luck with the dyno!

Agreed. I can't wait to see how this all turns out. I hope the OP keeps us up to date.

[SeVa-S13]

I can't wait to see the intercooled setup.

[91RMKS13]

Here is my most recent responce from Mr.Knight

OK--WITH THE 550'S AND THE FIRST MAP WITH A/F RATIO AT 10.2:1, AND A STOCK CLUTCH THAT SLIPS LIKE CRAZY ON THE DYNO, WE SAW 198.6 HP AT 6500 RPM AND 199.2 TQ AT 3000RPM @ 7 PSI. SPUTTERS FROM BEING SO RICH WHICH GIVES A STRANGE DYNO CURVE. WE WILL TUNE IT BETTER FOR SMOOTHER GRAPHS. UNTIL WE TUNE IT CORRECTLY WE WONT KNOW, BUT I AM GUESSING 210-220 HP & TQ. BUT THE DRIVABILITY IS AWESOME. NO LAG, AND DRIFTS LIKE IT WAS BORN TO DO JUST THAT. AT IDLE IT IS COMPLETELY SILENT, AND AT W.O.T. THERE IS A SUBTLE WHINE. THE EXHAUST NOTE CHANGES DRAMATICALLY FROM THE HIGHER COMPRESSION (AN SC RAISES DYNAMIC COMPRESSION), AND THE CAR WILL DRIFT EFFORTLESSLY WITH ANY HEEL-TOE MODULATION NEEDED. THIS IS NOT EVEN OUR RACE PORTED SETUP--JUST BOLT ON STOCK NISSAN UNIT SO PEOPLE WHO BUY THE ADAPTERS SEPERATELY WILL HAVE REAL NUMBERS. ADDING ALCOHOL INJECTION WILL ADD ANOTHER 10-20 HP, SO WE COULD SEE 240-250 WHEEL TQ & HP ON A RACE PORTED MANIFOLD, ADAPTER, SUPERCHARGER, INJECTOR UPGRADES, HEADERS, AND EXHAUST ON A STOCK ENGINE AT 7-9 PSI.

[7anshin]

Running 550cc injectors (unless I am reading it wrong, which is possible), did you upgrade to a fuel pump that can handle that flow? From what I have read on the turbo forums (same injectors, same idea) this is something you can get away without doing, but not in the long run. Is that true? I could see in all logic how that would work out.

I'm glad to see the numbers up, looks like everything is coming along good especially for a first run. Sounds like once you get the tuning down and that sputter gone your going to be very close!

I'm excited, congradulations!

[Shift_Oversteer]

HELLO, THIS IS THOMAS GEOFF KNIGHT--THE CAPS C0MMANDO!!! My eyesight is poor so I cant read standard lettering well. I want to thank many of you for your good comments and questions, and ask those who give ignorant flames of my design and research to just chill and wait. I would guess most who criticize have never and will never actually design anything. I actually do the hard work, at $250/hr. My average kits are $4k, but I know many of you did not pay that much for your cars, so I decided to make a kit for the lesser fortunate car owners. There are some owners who have spent thousands making their car nice, so my statements are not aimed at you. It is aimed at the ignorant in this group who claim these kits are 'easy' to make. Once one of you receives and tries to copy the kit it may be easy, but placing the blower for optimum airflow, positioning for oil filter clearance, and having the CNC program drawn in Autocad is not the pennies your foolish statements seem to imply. I have over 100 hrs in the design. That is $25,000 of my shop time. I usually get a $5000 initial design fee, but because SpeedLab (mark) is a friend of mine, I waived that fee, Having offered these kits on Ebay for less than what they cost to produce shows how little many of you know about costs involved. To those who are uninformed and claim a supercharger will not make as much power as my SC kits will, just wait and see one at the track. While the peak power may be 4-5% higher with the turbo, the flat torque curve of the supercharger will smoke the puny T25 turbos and spank them like bad children. Now if you compare 10 psi to 10 psi, I will admit slightly lower numbers against a properly designed turbo kit. However, some who use junkyard parts may get close, but will never match a properly sized turbo, FMIC, manifold etc. Not brag--just fact. We have the test vehicle ready for the dyno tomorrow, so just hush your flaming until the facts come out.

Geoff Knight

Ok Geoff, we understand that you make a lot of money doing what you do, but when it comes down to it youre selling a used blower and come CNC cut fittings & what not for waaaay too much money. 1200 was a little too much and from what I understand you'll be selling this kit for double when it comes out?

[Bigvinnie]

There charging way too much!!! Plus you have to convert the whole fan belt system to serpentine.Guess that means that electric fans will be needed, as well as an electric water pump..

The purpose of super charging is because it is an effective, convenient, and more affordable approach to turbo charging. The cost of that super charger throws all that out the window. People can buy cheap turbo set ups for under $1200, besides it isn't as if Camden industries does to well with there superchargers either, they charge about $3800 to build it with an Eaton blower as well..... Just to expensive and the degradation loss kills the high end power band, that is why turbo charging has become more effective.
Modified by Bigvinnie at 8:53 AM 7/9/2006

[7anshin]

Guess that means that electric fans will be needed, as well as an electric water pump...LOLS

Will Mr. Knight confirm or deny that we will need an electric water pump? I can live with electric fans, hell I was probably switch it over to electric fans anyway... But I really don't want to change my water pump.

[Bigvinnie]

Will Mr. Knight confirm or deny that we will need an electric water pump? I can live with electric fans, hell I was probably switch it over to electric fans anyway... But I really don't want to change my water pump.

The pic makes it look like there is more work than needed. The system looks incomplete and looks as if it would need other parts sourced for it's completion. Just my opinion.

[Bigvinnie]

Gah...

Yes, but the auction looks like it was released prematurely, or they are just gauging interest. The engineer of the kit(Thomas Knight), and the shop helping develop it(Speedlab) are pretty reputable in the business of making things go fast.

Anything sold on Ebay SCREAMS underdeveloped with lack of R&D.If this was a complete system through speed labs or Boosthead, it would be just that and sold through them with Pattent Pending. Being sold on ebay also shows the despiration to get rid of a wasted product, when I sell my junk I take it to egay...

[7anshin]

The pic makes it look like there is more work than needed. The system looks incomplete and looks as if it would need other parts sourced for it's completion. Just my opinion.

I’m not sure we have any real pics yet (if we do I missed them) so I can’t base anything on that… But, I do trust your opinion Bigvinnie, as I have read many postings by you and you seem very competent. Hell, I think you have answered one or two of my questions on one or two occasions! Lol

All I know is as prices rise for these kits I’m leaning more and more towards a swap or a rebuild & turbo on the KA. My KA leaks oil and vacuum, so I am starting to think it would be cheaper and more reliable to put in a SR, even though I don’t want to. I love my KA, and would love to see it strong.

Trust me I am not trying to be a stick in the mud here; I would love a supercharged KA.

[Bigvinnie]

Trust me I am not trying to be a stick in the mud here; I would love a supercharged KA.

Well you are being that, there is a guy at zilvia selling a mercedes blower, and components for $900 for the KA. Or atleast he was 3 months ago, the deals are out there this isn't one of them.

[91RMKS13]

Well you are being that, there is a guy at zilvia selling a mercedes blower, and components for $900 for the KA. Or atleast he was 3 months ago, the deals are out there this isn't one of them.

And who makes these kits ? some guy in his basement? or a small shop?

Edit: also did he have any dynos to back what he was selling?
Modified by 91RMKS13 at 12:17 PM 7/9/2006

[91RMKS13]

New word

JONATHAN, I READ THE POST ASKING ABOUT A LARGER FUEL PUMP. I FOUND OUT THE CAR ALREADY HAD A WALBRO PUMP INSTALLED A FEW MONTHS AGO BECAUSE THE STOCK ONE TOASTED. SO TO BE ACCURATE THE COMPLETE PARTS LIST MUST INCLUDE A REPLACEMENT IN-TANK FUEL PUMP. SO LETS GO OVER EXACTLY WHAT THIS CAR HAS. WALBRO F/P, HEADERS, EXHAUST, STOCK FRONTIER SC, UNPORTED UPPER MANIFOLD, UNPORTED ADAPTER PLATE, UNPORTED THROTTLE BODY ADAPTER, 550CC INJECTORS, DAUGHTER BOARD ECU, AND 2.5" CAI. A SMALLER BATTERY WAS USED ALLOWING THE AIR FILTER TO RESIDE NEXT TO THE BATTERY IN THE BATTERY TRAY. BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST 550CC INJECTOR SETUP USING A DAUGHTER BOARD, THERE ARE NO EXISTING INJECTOR MAPS ALREADY AVAILABLE. THIS MEANS HOURS OF MANIPULATING FUEL, TIMING, ETC AT EACH THROTTLE OPENING AND RPM POINT AND THEN DYNO RUNS AFTERWARDS. I AM ALSO CONCERNED WE ARE LOSING GAINS THROUGH THE SLIPPING CLUTCH. WHEN WE FIRST TEST DROVE IT, THE CLUTCH WOULD NOT HOLD FULL ACCELLERATION. IT WOULD SLIP LIKE CRAZY. ONCE STRAPPED TO THE DYNO, I COULD SMELL IT AFTER EVERY DYNO RUN. THIS COULD ALSO BE CAUSING LOWER READINGS AS WELL. A NEW CLUTCH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PART OF ANY TURBO OR SC UPGRADE. ALL IN ALL, I AM PLEASED WHERE WE ARE SO FAR, AND MARK (SPEEDLAB) IS EXTREMELY EXITED ABOUT THIS OPTION FOR KA24DE OWNERS. I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THE PROGRESS.

ONE MORE THING. I WANT TO TRY MY FAVORITE WAY OF ADDING FUEL ON THE NEXT CAR--AN EXTRA SET OF INJECTORS. THIS IS WHAT I USED ON MY ALTIMA AND MADE TUNING SIMPLE. THE UPPER MANIFOLD WOULD HAVE A BUNG WELDED TO EACH RUNNER, AND A SECOND SET OF INJECTORS WOULD BE BOLTED INTO PLACE. BEING THAT STOCK INJECTORS ARE RATED AT 270CC, A SET OF TOP FEED INJECTORS WOULD BE EASY TO FIND. 5.0 MUSTANG ARE 200CC (19LB), AND SUPERCOUPE 3.8 INJECTORS ARE 310CC (30LB). SO A SIMPLE AIC (ADDITIONAL INJECTOR CONTROLLER) WOULD ONLY NEED THE RATE OF GAIN KNOB AND A TOTAL GAIN KNOB. TUNING WOULD TAKE 30 MINUTES TOPS. WE NEED A SIMPLE CALCULATION TO DETERMINE EXTRA INJECTOR VOLUME. THE CONSTANTS ARE: 1.85HP PER LB/HR, AND 10.3CC = I LB/HR. SO LETS ASSUME 300 FLYWHEEL HP @ 10 PSI (250 WHEEL) IS THE MAX WE HOPE TO GET. 300/4 = 75 HP/CYL/INJECTOR. 75/1.85 = 40.6 LB/HR 40.6 X 10.3 = 420CC, 420 - 270 = 150CC. 150/10.3 = 14LB INJECTORS. THIS MEANS FOUR EXTRA 19LB INJECTORS FROM A 'STANG WOULD SUPPLY ALL THE FUEL EVER NEEDED AS LONG AS THE STOCK INJECTORS ARE UP TO THEIR RATING. IT ALSO SHOWS THE 370CC INJECTORS FROM A 300ZXTT OR SR20DET WOULD BE SAFE TO ABOUT 265 FLYWHEEL HP (225 WHEEL HP) WITH A MODDED CHIP AND DAUGHTER BOARD COMBO.

Hope that helps clear up any recent questions.

[Bigvinnie]

[QUOTE=91RMKS13]And who makes these kits ? some guy in his basement? or a small shop?

Edit: also did he have any dynos to back what he was selling?

COUGH!! Why don't you talk to the guy yourself, and stop rolling your eye's it makes you look retarded....

The Snail is a genius. Just removed the A/C condenser unit. Left the stock manifold intacked. Intercooler pipe and everything for $800ish.....He made a few for members don't know if he ran out of S/C's. No retarded serpentine belts, or replacement of other crap, and it's AFFORDABLE the way it should be...LOLZ

At that price you can get a BikiROM to retard the timing map to lets say about 9 (ATDC) and run it up to about 29~30ish ATDC ignition timing (for proper tuning just like a turbo set up) Also change pulse width a bit. Or you can go ghettofied and get an SAFC and just retard the distributor to 9~12 ATDC and control the pulse width a bit......

Modified by Bigvinnie at 4:35 PM 7/9/2006