CVT Rattle/Noise - Discussion Thread

[Roli]

So after a transmission change last year, and the rattle came back I figured it was a lost cause, and since it was a lease vehicle I said owell,, After reading this thread and having the reprogramming done it seemed to work. The rattle seems to go away. and it also has more pickup and power. Lets see what happens... It did amaze me that the dealer actually knew what I was talking about when I schedule the appointment, Not like when I was originally talking about the rattle,, and they played dumb....

Its a new year, and lets see if I like my rogue

JFL

[AceMax]

The same thing I notice but very subtle. From a scale of 1 to ten where ten was the noise I got, now is 0.5. Today I went to this place where to get there, there was about 5 miles of muddy, rough dirty road with hills 60 degree angle and the Rogue performed great with locking the AWD once for about a mile. The transmission behaved superb.

[cyclonus]

just wondering if anyone knows if the 2010 Rogue's have this CVT problem? I was planning to buy one of these

[philipa_240sx]

just wondering if anyone knows if the 2010 Rogue's have this CVT problem? I was planning to buy one of these

The Tech Bulletin from Nissan only mentions reprogramming of the CVT on 2008 and 2009 models. AFAIK, the 2010 model is not affected.

[whatmorecanyousay]

buy it. The support mentioned in this forum and my experience says it is a good value. The benefits for us, the ease of entrance and exit for the driver and pasengers and for the STUFF you purchase at the Big Box or Grocery for access without bending. Yes I know most suv crossovers have this beni but the car runs and looks cool with lots of standard stuff for the SL AWD. My understanding is the 2010 has all of the fixes.

Question: Did the extended warranty include the 2010 or all of the CVT's from Nissan????. Ask this question it is a long term advantage. 10yrs 120k miles is a nice addition for long term peice of mind and trade or sell value.

[DanTheMan]

just wondering if anyone knows if the 2010 Rogue's have this CVT problem? I was planning to buy one of these

Hey Cyclones,

My 2010, with just about 2150 miles on it does not appear to have any of these issues. My wife and I really love this vehicle. The transmission is a little different, but I am beginning to like it more than an automatic. No more noticible gear changes. It kind of reminds me of a turbo charged acceleration

Cheers!

[kerrton]

Very good advice, I agree completely.

All of the new 2010's will come standard with the new programming and the latest CVT design with any and all design improvements/tweaks. Also, the few problems with 08's were really quite rare, and there are some high mileage reports on here from owners reporting their Rogue has been very durable and reliable and still runs just like brand new.

For the price, there isn't much competition. The CRV, RAV4 and Forester are always on the radar but cost more and when you look at the details and driving experience don't really stack up against the Rogue, except with a bit more bulky cargo area. Also, I didn't want to be one of a million owners of a Honda or Toyota and not feel very special on the road or at the service dept.. Nissan is a little smaller, sells a few less vehicles than the competitor and I feel more valued at the service dept., and it feels like this vehicle is more special than a RAV4 for example.

As has been discussed in another recent thread, the new 2010 Hundai Tucson looks very good, is a very close copy of the Rogue including the pricing and excellent build quality so it may warrant a look, although a first year model can be a red flag. Other than that there isn't much else out there quite like the Rogue, IMO.

I'd say go for it!!

[cyclonus]

Hey Cyclones,

My 2010, with just about 2150 miles on it does not appear to have any of these issues. My wife and I really love this vehicle. The transmission is a little different, but I am beginning to like it more than an automatic. No more noticible gear changes. It kind of reminds me of a turbo charged acceleration

Cheers!

Thanks for the update. Now i dont have to worry about the problems.

[mx6bfast]

I had the reprogram done a few weeks ago, but now I am hearing rattling when I step off the gas around 50 mph. Has anyone else heard this since the reprogram?

[cycomom]

My transmission noise began at about 3500 miles on my 08 Rogue. On February 11th, the reprogram was done. I thought I heard the rattle the next day but it was not as loud. After 3 weeks, the rattle is definitely back. I called the service department to let them know and ask them to do research on where we go from here. I will be taking the car in for an oil change next week. It will be interesting to hear what they say.

[blanca]

I had my reprogrammed. Then they change the trans. then they reprogram the new one but i still hear the rattle I was beginning to think it was in my head until i read this. im making an appointment for service recommend you do the same

[gpsmoucer]

Not sure exactly when my rattling started, but now at 29,500 miles its a daily occurrence. Strangely it seems to happen when I first take the car out in the morning or after it's been sitting for a while - before the engine and transmission have "warmed-up."

I know I didn't have the rattle when I bought the car in December (with 26,500 miles), or at least I didn't notice it. To top it off I had the transmission reprogrammed the day after I got the car.

It'll be going into the dealer for this issue and a rattling rear passenger-side seat latch (the latch that keeps the seat in the "up" position).

[Roli]

Good morning, My Rogue is now 2 years old, I had the Rattle, and transmission Changed, at 4000 miles,,, soon the rattle returned, In January 2010 I had the transmission reprogrammed, and the rattle seem to go away for a short period, but came back with a vengence,,, Now last week I had the transmission changed again, due to the rattle returning.

Today, the vehicle is back due to a CV joint blowing grease everywhere... so As i sit her with 29,000 miles on the vehicle, three transmissions later, all I can say is that I am glad its a lease... I drive my Murano more and more, and love, it... Cant wait to get rid of my Rogue...

Hope others have had their problems fixed because I have not..

[nitsudima]

I've had a 2010 for a few months now and just received a notice in the mail about updating the CVT software for rattles. It really surprised me since I thought this was just an issue with the '08s and '09s. I've never heard it rattle, but my wife thinks she might have heard something. My wife drives the car every day, so she probably does know it better than me, but since I haven't experienced any problems I kind of hate to mess with something that doesn't appear to be broken. When we take it in for an oil change I'll ask the service techs, but for now what do you guys think about doing the update if there's a chance there's nothing wrong to begin with?

[casperfun]

Sorry for your problem. I have a theory that people who never had a problem before the re-flash were less likely to have a CVT problem and those who always had a problem before will have a higher probability of having it again. Anyways, thank god for the 10yr 100,000 mile cvt extended warranty. Sucks for you, its good indeed that you have a lease.

[philipa_240sx]

Roli, it's unfortunate you are having this many issues with your Rogue. This is not normal as many of us have many trouble free miles.

I had my CVT reprogram done in earlier this year with nearly 50,000mi on the clock. The transmission has been silent ever since and I have had zero issues.

[kerrton]

I've had a 2010 for a few months now and just received a notice in the mail about updating the CVT software for rattles. It really surprised me since I thought this was just an issue with the '08s and '09s. I've never heard it rattle, but my wife thinks she might have heard something. My wife drives the car every day, so she probably does know it better than me, but since I haven't experienced any problems I kind of hate to mess with something that doesn't appear to be broken. When we take it in for an oil change I'll ask the service techs, but for now what do you guys think about doing the update if there's a chance there's nothing wrong to begin with?

Think of the reprogramming update as an improvement and preventative maintenance to keep your CVT running properly and avoid future damage.

The reprogram is for all Rogue's who have not had the update from the factory yet, not just ones with problems. If you purchase a 2010 Rogue today or any future Rogue it will come standard from the factory with this latest programming, so by allowing your car to be updated you are just bringing it up to current standards. I don't think there is really a debate here, Nissan maybe could've worded their recall letter a little better to make it clear it's not just for people currently having rattling problems. If you choose not to have the software updated I imagine it would void your warranty if you were to have future CVT problems but that's just my guess, that's a question for your service manager if you're interested, but I'd recommend just having the work done.

[casperfun]

I've had a 2010 for a few months now and just received a notice in the mail about updating the CVT software for rattles. ?

I forgot to comment on this: That is pretty out of the ordinary since a 2010 would have the updated software out of the factory presumeably.

If it's a CVT problem. I pray your Rogue does not have a problem in this area or in the future. Enjoy the Rogue as we all have in this forum!

[philipa_240sx]

I managed to finally download the entire bulletin regarding the CVT reprogramming. A few details:

1) Both the ECU and TCU get reprogrammed. This also wipes out all of the self learning parameters. Think of self learning as fine tuning... it compensates for engine/transmission wear, fuel types, etc.

2) The dealer will reprogram any affected vehicles they have in inventory as well as customer's vehicles when they come in for service.

3) Affected owners should receive a letter informing them of the reprogramming. Read here:

cvt-noises-just-the-facts-and-any-updat ... l#p5282501

[joehughes]

Wow 20 Pages +, I haven't been on here since 2008 and I figured I would give everybody a quick update of how my rogue CVT problem has been going

Currently 29,000 miles on the car, 08 AWD SL, and now on my 4th Transmission.

That is right you heard it number 4.

My car has been in the hands of Nissan of America's Engineer's for a total of 9 months overall the repairs.

This car has become a lemon and I have started the paperwork with Illinois/Nissan concerning the car.

Gerald Nissan in Naperville,IL has been the facility I have been getting all my service at since the beginning of the car. They have been good, but very unknowledgeable (sp?). I have had a rental car in my driveway for almost as long as I have had my rogue. The good news out of it is that Nissan is talking about putting me in a new car from their line-up and taking the full retail cost of the Rogue that I bought off the cost of the new car. At least one silver lining to all of my problems.

And just a FYI, one of my transmission failures led me to be stuck on the side of the road in Tennesse for over 7 hours because the transmission would not move with the transmission in any gear. So there is at least 1 report of a complete transmission failure here.

If anybody wants you can PM if you are going through the same thing and maybe we can help each other out

[NissanCanada]

It appears we haven't seen the end of this CVT issue, after the reprogramming was done by nissan the noise is back. But it will be more noticed when you're driving between 40 and 60km/hr and you slowly take your foot off the accelerator. Nissan is working on a fix and they're saying there is no point in changing the transmission as it will come back again after 10K. I asked about the 2010 models if the transmission is any different from the 2008 and 2009, and I was told that people haven't driven their 2010 10K to notice them, but they will become an issue.

[philipa_240sx]

But it will be more noticed when you're driving between 40 and 60km/hr and you slowly take your foot off the accelerator.

Yeah, there is still a slight rattle at that speed even with the reprogramming.

That being said, I have 62,000 trouble free miles (103,000km) on my original CVT. Still no issues other than the occasional rattle noise. With Nissan's extended CVT warranty that was announced last year, I have no worries.

[TonyN]

Well I guess I will join the CVT club.
I noticed a winding noise between 25-20mph on decel, took it in for that and fuel gauge error and needless to say I have a new fuel level unit and CVT on order. We shall see what happens, I will say however I'll be a monkeys uncle if I go through 4 transmission like joehugues, he obiviously got a lemon and should get a new placement.

I hope this fixes my problems but am well aware that there is a high chance it will not. We shall see.

Happy motoring..

TonyN

[kerrton]

Hey Tony,

I too had a defective transmission on my 08 Rogue, but I would disagree strongly that "there is a high chance that this will not fix the problem". You have a defective part which will be replaced and you should have many years of trouble free driving from then on.

Other than 1 or 2 reports of ongoing issues, the vast majority of Rogues have no CVT issues early on and the very few that do have defective CVT units are quickly addressed with a full replacement CVT unit, and the vast majority of these owners have not had a single recurring issue since. My CVT has been perfectly quiet and functions flawlessly since replacement about 30,000 km ago. My recommendation is to not let these posts scare you into thinking your car is going to be lemon, yes there is the odd one out there as with ALL manufacturers but it's such a small occurance that it's definately not worth worrying about.

That's just my opinion but it is based on real experience over the past 2 years of ownership - just get the repair done and get back to enjoying your high quality new vehicle right away (my CVT replacement took only 3.5 hours of shop time).

[TonyN]

Hi Kerrton,

Thanks for the reply, im no to worried on it since we have the exended warranty, I guess it is more annyoing then anything. Hopefully you are right and everything will be good

[mpattdu]

It appears we haven't seen the end of this CVT issue, after the reprogramming was done by nissan the noise is back. But it will be more noticed when you're driving between 40 and 60km/hr and you slowly take your foot off the accelerator. Nissan is working on a fix and they're saying there is no point in changing the transmission as it will come back again after 10K. I asked about the 2010 models if the transmission is any different from the 2008 and 2009, and I was told that people haven't driven their 2010 10K to notice them, but they will become an issue.

I've noticed this too with my '08 SL AWD. Seems the reprogram just moved the noise to happen at a higher speed. Hopefully there is a good reason, and not just in hopes to cover the noise with a louder engine at that speed.

To me, this rattle reminds me of a bike with a loose chain. When you're peddling, it's fine, but when you coast, the slack in the chain makes some noise. I'm still on my first transmission and closing in on 30,000 miles with no complaints other than this noise being a little annoying.

[jsellberg]

Taking my precious in tomorrow... It started a few months ago but was veryyy hit/miss and I didn't want to take it in and have them say "Oh I don't hear anything!". Now it's fairly consistent (and quite embarrassing).. I have 35k miles on it now.

[paulvanharte]

I just thought I would share this with you. My service manager told me that this CVT rattle is a hit and miss thing. Some do it, some dont. Even after CVT has been replaced rattle may still come back, same with the reprogram. Nissan Canada has told my dealer that a slight rattle is normal and that replacing CVT's may not solve the problem.
This is why Nissan Canada extended the warranty, to restore customer faith in the CVT.
I am on my 3th transmission and even after the reprogram, there is still a slight rattle, but at least it has not gotten any worse. I have 55000km on it now and so far so good.

Paul

[jsellberg]

Taking my precious in tomorrow... It started a few months ago but was veryyy hit/miss and I didn't want to take it in and have them say "Oh I don't hear anything!". Now it's fairly consistent (and quite embarrassing).. I have 35k miles on it now.

Just thought I'd post a follow up. I took my precious into the dealer today and they said that a couple of welds came loose on my exhaust. They ordered the parts for me and are fixing it later next week. So just a false alarm!

[ThandaPani]

Got my 2010 Rogue SL FWD 3 weeks ago. I liked it better then Mazda CX7. Wasn't happy with the highway road noise level. But was still ok. But today noticed a rattle while standing at a traffic light. And this continued the whole day. It does that at R and D, not N. I got 1250 miles on mine and this felt like an old engine rattle. I am extremely disappointed. Went to the dealer and they said technician will call me back tomorrow morning. I think I should get a better performance for my $21000.