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I am finally getting around to getting my CCW, been putting it off for various reasons for way too long. Currently the only pistol I own is a late model SIG p226, which I have put a few hundred rounds through. I really love this gun and I wouldn't have a problem carrying it except the size, while not relatively big or bulky, makes it hard to carry without printing. I was ideally looking to carry IWB on my right lower back since I usually wear my polo or button down shirts untucked, so something with a shorter frame and grips would be better. I have it narrowed down to a couple guns but I'd be open to suggestions that are semi-related. I ruled out Glocks and XD's just due to personal preference.

1. Para Ordinance Nite Hawg:

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Dimensions:

Length: 6.5"
Height: 4.5"
Width: ???

Pros:

- small and light
- .45 ACP = stopping power
- 10+1 capacity

Cons:

- double stack magazine may be too wide to avoid printing in certain occasions
- short grip may be slightly awkward
- ammo is more expensive
- I have read about jamming using certain types of ammo


2. Para Ordinance Slim Hawg:

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Dimensions:

Length: 6.75"
Height: 4.75"
Width: ???

Pros:

- small and light
- .45 ACP = stopping power
- slimmer single stack frame means easier to conceal

Cons:

- less capacity
- slimmer grip means harder for large hands to hold comfortably
- ammo is more expensive
- not much in the way of reviews online

2. SIG p229 Elite Dark:

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Dimensions:

Length: 7.6"
Height: 5.4"
Width: ???

Pros:

- familiarity with design
- .40 S&W means ammo and magazine interchangeability (hi cap), cheaper ammo, stopping power is not drastically less than .45 ACP
- better quality from review and manufacturer reputation, better factory support

Cons:

- larger frame, less concealable (still acceptable size)
- slightly more expensive and harder to find


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Just a question:

DO you often find yourself in dangerous circumstances?

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Whatever fits your hand best works. Though I can tell you that you should just admit to yourself you're buying an "Elite Dark" for the novelty of the thing... hell, a threaded, exposed barrel and the large sights actually make it worse than a standard P229 for CC.

Look into Taurus'es line of single-stack 9mm/.40 and the CZ REMI. Avoid Kahr's.

Also, don't troll the ".45 = stopping power" bit on say, High Road.


Speaking of trolls...
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I can't get too specific, there are certain circumstances I am dealing with in my life right now that would make this a smart choice. I really can't go into more detail than that on a board anyone can read.

If you're asking whether I am going to carry just to do it, the answer is no.
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charlieo wrote:Whatever fits your hand best works. Though I can tell you that you should just admit to yourself you're buying an "Elite Dark" for the novelty of the thing... hell, a threaded, exposed barrel and the large sights actually make it worse than a standard P229 for CC.
I forgot to mention, I want a beavertail frame because I prefer the way it feels in my hand, so that means "elite." The "dark" to me just means no reflective surfaces and night sights, something I forgot to mention I made a requirement for my next pistol. The .40 S&W doesn't come with a threaded barrel but there aren't any pics of it in that caliber I could find. I don't need a threaded barrel, but I might look into getting one from BarSto down the road because I'd like the option of a suppressor just for s***.

As for stopping power, I did the research when I bought my p226 and I like the compromise .40 S&W offers in widely available ammo at a decent price. I fired my gun next to a couple different .45 ACP handguns with a few different types of ammo and ideally I'd stick with the .40. It's actually harder to get .45 ACP around here for some reason...

And I'd post this on SigForums but I've been awaiting account confirmation for 2 weeks now.

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I have a few other suggestions for you...

HK USP Compact

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Height: 5.00 - 5.06
Length: 6.81 - 7.09
Width: 1.47 - 1.60

Comes chambered in 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, and .357

Springfield Armory XD

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Maker/Importer: Springfield Armory
Action Type:Semiautomatic pistol, recoil operated via Browning-type tilting barrel
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Capacity: 10+1
Barrel Length: 3 inches
Overall Length: 6.26 inches
Weight: 20.5 ounces
Sights: Fixed, square notch, dovetail front and rear
Trigger: USA Action trigger
Finish: Matte black
Price:$512

I'd also suggest any of the compact or sub-compact Glocks, they have a low profile, are reliable, and Glock supplies at least half of the police depts. in the country so you know they have a core following.

I absolutely LOVE SIG and HK firearms, especially the P226 and the USP since these are the primary pistols for the SOCOM, plus I love the the styling of them. Do you work in an office or carry a briefcase? get one of these...

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My boss actually offered to let me shoot his SIG when I was looking for something to push me over the edge, he wants to go renew his CCW with me when I go. But I don't need it in an office environment, things are secure here and I have a good view of my car from my desk in case someone was waiting for me to get out of work. I happen to know a couple officers in the dept. here too.

I have fired the XD, didn't like it. I would try a USP, and in fact was looking at that before I got my p226 but from what I have seen they are priced a little steep compared to my other choices.

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You could probably pick up a slightly used USP Compact for about the same price as a new Glock. If price is a factor what price range you are looking for. You could always just get a snub nosed revolver. While I'm not a fan of revolvers they do come in a lot more bullet options and configurations and you never have to worry about a jam or a misfire.

Just go to this site... http://www.e-gun.net/body.asp?gun=Pisto ... am=Compact

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Noted on the threaded barrel!

Also, my bad, it's the CZ RAMI, and it's exactly what you need:
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Beavertail and all!

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Looks like a great little gun, I will have to check that one out. Thanks for the suggestion!

My range is $7-850 depending on what kind of deal I can get and what is included. I found a p229 Elite Dark in .357SIG for $700 including tax and shipping, which is way under MSRP. Barrel swap to .40 is cheap and easy, I contacted the seller to see whats up.

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Check out this page, you don't get better stopping power for CCW than the Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in .454 Casull with a 2" barrel.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SRHAlaskan454.htm

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lol. the only revolver i ever shot was a .357 magnum with a long barrel. i'm going to have to pass on those for now unless i am totally without options in the semi-auto department. fun to look at though.

that thing looks like a beast. the recoil must be insane!

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It also fires the .45ACP rounds. Just look at the pictures of him shooting it, he's not a small dude and even he couldn't keep it from recoiling to a full 90+ degrees. The .454 Casull is one of THE largest rounds you can get as a pistol round, I the the S&W .500 is the largest you can get for a pistol, maybe the Overkill .600. You have to admit though you point that gun at somebody and they would be stupid to not sit down and shut up. If the .454 Casull can kill an Alaskan grizzly what do you think it would do to your average man?

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Make him into Chili meat chunks?

Charlieo: That gun is well within my price range even with bells and whistles and looks like its the perfect package. I am going to see if any local dealers can get one I can check out. Thanks again.

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d!ck wrote:I can't get too specific, there are certain circumstances I am dealing with in my life right now that would make this a smart choice. I really can't go into more detail than that on a board anyone can read.
Gotcha. It seemed like a need-based post, so I was curious. You'd probably be the only one I've talked to lately of who carries because they need it.

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I really don't want to make any comments that would seem disparaging to any LEO's reading this but I have come face to face with a lot of situations just in the past few months that made the limits of the police and the justice system painfully obvious to me. I know it's not their fault and in a fair world things would be more black and white. Let's just say I never really wanted to be in this situation but now that I am I don't want to be caught unprepared. Again.

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what's the budget here?

the compact handgun market has absolutely exploded in the past 5 or so years.

preference to the type of action on the pistol, caliber,

do you care if it's a polymer frame? (it's gonna be lighter and more comfortable to carry all day)

how easy is it to get off the shelf accessories?

go check the threads in the Great Outdoors..there's a lot of info in here and you don't have to worry about people asking why you feel the need to express constitutional rights :)

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Check out this page, you don't get better stopping power for CCW than the Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in .454 Casull with a 2" barrel.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SRHAlaskan454.htm
OMG...I shot a .454 in a full frame revolver and it was legendary...I can't imagine it with that little mass behind it.

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probably not too bad...the Ruger Super Redhawk is a tank.

and overkill for a CCW unless a gang of bears camp out in front of your house.

it can however fire .45 Long Colt which is kinda hard to find a good hot load for, but there's a few out there that are great defense loads.

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I am somewhat limited in what I can easily conceal due to being painfully thin (5'11" 120lbs), and I usually wear shorts and a t-shirt in the summer. I ended up getting this:

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Its a Kel-Tec PF-9, and it is ridiculously small. I can pocket carry (with a pocket holster it doesn't print), carry IWB, or with full length jeans could easily ankle carry.

Pros: Light, small, decent mag cap (7+1), shoots well, points well, low cost (mine was $259)
Cons: 9mm (which I don't find to be a problem- better accuracy with HPs= win), Double action only (pro and con- no safety or other crap to mess with, but reduced accuracy)

Looks like you're looking for something a little heavier than what I carry, but you may look into it as a backup gun. It really is a well-made, excellent shooting, extremely concealable, inexpensive gun.

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I daily carry a Glock 19 IWB/OWB.

That CZ Rami is sweet.

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Glock is hands down the reference standard by which all auto pistols are measured, holds more rounds for any given size frame and is cheaper, lighter, and simpler than the Sig Sauer. Just as high quality I might add and they are proven to be the most rugged and dependable pistols in the world. I reccomend Glock to anyone looking for a gun whether it be the first one they are buying or someone who owns many but not yet a Glock. I have owned a G31, full size in .357 SIG and loved that gun but not the price of ammo. Sold it and kept my Gen 2 G17 made in 1990. I have just as much faith in my 20 year old Glock pistol as I would in a Gen 4 2010 model. I love my G17 but would like a G19 for a more carry friendly option. But there is nothing like the feeling of a full size frame. Funny, I say the same thing about women :biggrin:

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I don't like Glocks but I shoot amazing with them and they are dead-reliable. For a carry gun That means EVERYTHING. I'm not sure if you will like cocked and locked SA carry of a 1911. If it bothers you Para has the LDA "light double action" Not their term, people called it that and it stuck. You might also look at the Kahr PM series. They can be had in .45, .40, 9mm and a cute little .380. I would not trust that as a primary though based on the caliber.

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On the contrary, I don't mind carrying cocked and locked. I read about a lot of guys that carry their Sigs (DA/SA) in condition two with the hammer decocked or even condition zero ready to fire, with a good holster that blocks the trigger and a lot of training you can pretty much eliminate accidental fire situations. The Paras have a large safety lever and it seems easy to operate with a one-handed grip, carrying it condition one shouldn't be a big problem.

I take the gun to the range semi-frequently but I practice trigger behavior, drawing and handling with snap caps a lot. There's no point in carrying at all if you aren't going to be smart about it in my opinion.

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I don't think I've seen what holster you're going to be using.

That's the first place to start. Once you have your method of carry you can find a gun to fit it.

Also, what is your height, weight, and build type?

I've seen people that carry a full frame 1911 without an issue....

*edit* something like a S&W 340PD would work great too...

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regardless of what pistol you get, I can't say enough good things about a Crossbreed Super Tuck II

great holster...ugly as hell, but it's a quick draw and easy reholster inside the waistband.

I love Sig pistols..but they're pricey.

once again, see my previous post, I'm all about throwing out options and opinions.

I'd suggest staying with the big three for an auto pistol (9mm, 40S&W and 45acp)

a nice .357 or .38 Special snubby is a good choice too.

the para warthog, while it's a neat gun, it's pretty damn thick all things considered. best advice is to go to a store and find what you've considered and get a good feel for the pistol, even better if you can take it for a test drive.

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote:It also fires the .45ACP rounds...
I think it is actually .45 colt that the .454 chambers, but your point is made that is has a more tame (and less expensive option).

I recently bought a CZ-82, it was only $200, has been reliable so far, and is pretty small (a little wide though, you can get similar models in single stack that are similar to Walther PPks). It's the only gun I have that is not a .22 I think I could CC, and I would feel ok doing it. But lets face it, it's in 9x18mm, which is like a hotter .380, and is hard to find anywhere but the internet and certain gunshops. It doesn't seem like what you are looking for, but I figured it was worth noting. ;)

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Have you handled a P229 yet? They are super guns, but I could see where they could be hard to conceal. Better than a 226 of course, but I believe they are the same width which can be nearly as important as overall size. I have been to gunshops that specialize in concealed carry, and let customers try on different gun/holster options in different configurations before buying, something like that might be very beneficial if it's available near you.

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the CZ-82 is a fine little pistol...I'd like to have a dozen or so of them hanging around the house.

I don't know if it's something I'd want for a primary carry gun though.

to be honest though, I'd also like a Draco pistol for carry :)

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Have you looked at the MIB "Noisy Cricket?"

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