Celebrity loud mouths and human shields

[VimyJ]

Originally posted by VimyJ "]Blithely and blindly trusting W & Co.? Ignorance must be bliss.

Nope,.... just trusting the fact that he might know a little more about the situation than you or Sean Penn.

Oh, Dubya knows which side his bread is buttered on alright.

It is interesting how you have lumped me in with your reviled actors. Does that also mean that I don't have a right to air my opinions as well? Why are actors singled out for your slanted thread but radio talk show entertainers are not. Maybe that should merit a thread as well. After all, fair is fair.

[TrueSlide]

cool, even though I don't support this war, I signed up anyways, cause celebrities always feel they have to interfer and the media makes such a big deal about their comments. Celebrites need to shut their damn mouth and do what they do best. NOTHING!!!(ya little overboard, who cares.)

[MaineExport]

Originally posted by VimyJ "]It is interesting how you have lumped me in with your reviled actors.

Not interesting at all, Vimy. You have posted page after page of your opinions and I, nor anyone else that I can recall, has told you that you can't voice your opinion. You do not have all the facts, much like Sean Penn doesn't have all the facts. That is why I have thrown your name in with the likes of theses fine actors. I don't disike the actors.. I'm sure they have redeeming qualities. They have every right to voice their opinion... and so do we. What they shouldn't do is undermine the best interests of a nation, and assume that their celeb status grants them the privilege to speak for us.

But by all means, if they want to get blown up... I won't lose ay sleep over it.

Does that also mean that I don't have a right to air my opinions as well?

Hah... even if you didn't... I somehow doubt we could stop you buddy.

Why are actors singled out for your slanted thread

Slanted? People here can form their own opinions. I didn't even present one of my own. I said people that don't appreciate these celebrities speaking on their behalf should check out the link. What part of that is slanted?

but radio talk show entertainers are not.

Umm... I didn't create the petition... but I haven't seen too many of them offering themselves up as human shields. If they do... again.. I won't lose sleep over it.

Maybe that should merit a thread as well. After all, fair is fair.

Absolutely.... I'm not stopping you.

[TrueSlide]

plus, no matter what if we go do goto war, Iam gonna support AMERICA, cause its a great place. While I have the chance to express my views/thoughts I might as well.

[MaineExport]

cool, even though I don't support this war, I signed up anyways,

I think that is the best way to sum it up. Even if you don't agree with the possibe war... are you really comfortable knowing that these celebs feel that they can speak for you. They are entertainers... not representatives, and their actions could undermine what is in the best interest of our nation.

[VimyJ]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by maineimport "]Originally posted by VimyJ It is interesting how you have lumped me in with your reviled actors.

You have posted page after page of your opinions and I, nor anyone else that I can recall, has told you that you can't voice your opinion. You do not have all the facts, much like Sean Penn doesn't have all the facts.

You don't recall my poll being locked down? Well, I do know that I know more about the issues and history of this topic than 95% of the people in the US. Sad but true.

Hah... even if you didn't... I somehow doubt we could stop you buddy.

Please see my first sentence.

Slanted? People here can form their own opinions. I didn't even present one of my own. I said people that don't appreciate these celebrities speaking on their behalf should check out the link. What part of that is slanted?

I know, I know. You were just following orders. The slanted part is that you wish to circualte a petition that espouses rebuking of citizens for excercising their first ammendment rights. That is slanted.

Actually, Maine, that post wasn't directed to you exactly. Perhaps someone in the "Grand Canyon State" will read it as well.

[VimyJ]

What is W going to do about N. Korea? With this new intelligence about an ICBM that can reach anywhere in the US, it suddenly seems that there is a pot boiling over that the great chef forgot about.

Methinks W is painting himself into a corner. Charging after Saddam on the pretext of the war on terror except that there is scant evidence to back up anything he claims of Iraq's ties to al-Qiada or terrorism. No WMD or nuclear program found yet. Suddenly, there is a crazy azzed country armed with nukes and the means to use them screaming that the US will be a sea of fire if it tries anything and W says the negotiation is the way to deal with it. What the fock is up wit that?

I firmly believe in the adage "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Damn, I hope people wake up to the crapola they're being fed and wolfing down like war hungry pigs.

Don't get me wrong. I think a war would be hugely entertaining. Think of the cable news coverage. Cool video of smart bombs. Daily briefings. Young guys getting killed in pitched room to room fighting. Reports of Muslim sympathy terrorlst acts in major cities. Crazed yellow hordes rushing the 38th parallel. Nukes being launched. And the big plus is that our cheap oil supply would be guaranteed for the next 25 years until it's all gone which is a small price to pay for the Bush family fortune.

Maybe WW III? The nuke and Chemo/biological weapons genies have been out of the bottle for a long time. Time for the chickens to come home to roost. Let's get it on!

The Chinese curse about intersting times is upon us. Let's hope we can laugh about it in 10 years. Got your duct tape and plastic?

Maybe this will be called the "Nuecular War" in future history books. LOL

[ninjak84]

I don't agree with this at all!

No one said celebs were speaking for people, or representing the majority. All they are doing, is using fame to persuade some of the wrong doings happening. If Joe Smith holds an anti-war press conference, no one cares, and no media shows up to hear his voice. If Jennifer Lopez holds an anti-war press conference, media and politicists will listen. Celebrities don't have to do this, but they're trying to do what's best for people, and everyone should at least appreciate that. They're trying to make a difference.

I think what celebrities are doing is great, and this petition is a joke.

[89sxRCR]

sigh @ the raving liberalQuote »Methinks W is painting himself into a corner. Charging after Saddam on the pretext of the war on terror except that there is scant evidence to back up anything he claims of Iraq's ties to al-Qiada or terrorism. No WMD or nuclear program found yet. Suddenly, there is a crazy azzed country armed with nukes and the means to use them screaming that the US will be a sea of fire if it tries anything and W says the negotiation is the way to deal with it. What the fock is up wit that?[/quote] It seems that there is a LOT of evidence pointing to Iraq hiding/concealing weapons of mass destruction...for christ sakes did you hear colin powels presentation?? Iraq is clearly stalling for time...waiting till the last second for everything. Quote » firmly believe in the adage "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Damn, I hope people wake up to the crapola they're being fed and wolfing down like war hungry pigs. [/quote] the only crapola i hear going around is that of the protesters...half of witch dont know what the hell they are talking about waving signs that read "STOP THE RACIST WAR." most list reasons not to get in a war such as :"backlash by terrorists/alquida." that is a damn cowardly view to take of the world...exactly what terrorists want. Quote »Don't get me wrong. I think a war would be hugely entertaining. Think of the cable news coverage. Cool video of smart bombs. Daily briefings. Young guys getting killed in pitched room to room fighting. Reports of Muslim sympathy terrorlst acts in major cities. Crazed yellow hordes rushing the 38th parallel. Nukes being launched. And the big plus is that our cheap oil supply would be guaranteed for the next 25 years until it's all gone which is a small price to pay for the Bush family fortune.[/quote] see above "cowardly views of the world." and what nukes? according to you iraq has none. And your typical hatred of bush doesnt make much sense either. We all know that last sentence about securing "the bush family fortune" has no basis in fact, although a typical liberal view.

AND that celebrity petition states that we are not letting them speak FOR us. Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion sure, but members of hollywood (famous actors/actresses) abuse thier stardom and constant media coverage to rave on subjects they know nothing about more than any of us joe publics. (and prolly less, they are paid to lie)

[89sxRCR]

GOD somehow i knew you were a nonsensical liberal ninjak...Quote »No one said celebs were speaking for people, or representing the majority.[/quote] when was the last time someone off the street was given equal coverage with thier opinons as a celebrity? they abuse thier media coverage to talk about things they dont know. stick to movies and tv. Quote »All they are doing, is using fame to persuade some of the wrong doings happening. If Joe Smith holds an anti-war press conference, no one cares, and no media shows up to hear his voice. If Jennifer Lopez holds an anti-war press conference, media and politicists will listen.[/quote] so according to you they ARE representing people. And since they are sooo smart (acting school, its like harvard) they decide whats best for us. Quote » think what celebrities are doing is great, and this petition is a joke.[/quote] i tend to view your misguided views as a joke as well.

[ninjak84]

blah blah blah

All you did was twist my words, hoping for a fight.Haven't you found any friends yet?:rolleyes

[AZhitman]

Actually, Maine, that post wasn't directed to you exactly. Perhaps someone in the "Grand Canyon State" will read it as well.

I read it Vim. What you're missing here is that while I respect and defend ALL Americans' rights to speak their opinions openly and freely, I ALSO believe in the law of natural consequences.

When you place yourself in the public eye and use your fame and fortune as a bully pulpit to spout misinformation and blather, then you had better be prepared to be more harshly "rebuked" than Average Joe on the street saying the same thing. I have no qualms with using MY right to free speech to adamantly and vehemently oppose the ill-advised statements of the colossally misinformed. I'd love to expose the idiocy of many of these celebrities in a public forum via televised debate.

Not only are they (as a whole) far less educated than you or I, but they have the audacity to think their opinion is somehow more important due to their social status. I reject that notion.

Again, this all comes back to their biting the hand that has fed them (and fed them WELL).

Having said that, when JUST ONE of them enlists to defend the rights they're exercising, or points to a significant contribution to our society conmeasurate with their inflated influence, then I'll be the first to defend their methods.

Otherwise, I say pack your s***, renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere - We won't miss you.

[AZhitman]

89 has no inclination to fight. And I'll pimpslap him if he does.

I, on the other hand, do. I suppose I'll recycle a post I used elsewhere to respond here:

What you're missing here is that while I respect and defend ALL Americans' rights to speak their opinions openly and freely, I ALSO believe in the law of natural consequences.

When you place yourself in the public eye and use your fame and fortune as a bully pulpit to spout misinformation and blather, then you had better be prepared to be more harshly "rebuked" than Average Joe on the street saying the same thing. I have no qualms with using MY right to free speech to adamantly and vehemently oppose the ill-advised statements of the colossally misinformed. I'd love to expose the idiocy of many of these celebrities in a public forum via televised debate.

Not only are they (as a whole) far less educated than you or I, but they have the audacity to think their opinion is somehow more important due to their social status. I reject that notion.

Again, this all comes back to their biting the hand that has fed them (and fed them WELL).

Having said that, when JUST ONE of them enlists to defend the rights they're exercising, or points to a significant contribution to our society conmeasurate with their inflated influence, then I'll be the first to defend their methods.

Otherwise, I say (to the celebrities and their ilk) pack your s***, renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere - We won't miss you.

Maybe I'm the one who needs to find some friends.

[deesolballs]

Having said that, when JUST ONE of them enlists to defend the rights they're exercising, or points to a significant contribution to our society conmeasurate with their inflated influence, then I'll be the first to defend their methods.

Otherwise, I say pack your s***, renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere - We won't miss you.

Amen to that. The low lifes who degrade our leaders and are disloyal to this nation can carry the bags of the aforementioned basturds on the way out. The ignorance of the self-proclaimed intelligent that think they know 95% more than everybody else is appalling and nauseating. They too can jump on the first boat to anywhere but here.

Let the loud mouth know it all big timers follow Pat Tillman's example.... http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns....html

[MaineExport]

Originally posted by VimyJ "]You don't recall my poll being locked down?

Yes, I do. That act did not hinder your ability to speak your mind.

Well, I do know that I know more about the issues and history of this topic than 95% of the people in the US. Sad but true.

Wow... someone woke up on the ostentatious side of the bed.

I know, I know. You were just following orders.

Orders,n no...... suggestions, yes and gladly.

The slanted part is that you wish to circualte a petition that espouses rebuking of citizens for excercising their first ammendment rights.

No, actually I wish to circulate a petition that asks people to think for themselves. It 'espouses' 'rebuking' of citizens who have convinced themselves that their status as a popular entetainer makes their opinion more important than yours or mine, and wish to abuse that status. There is nothing slanted here at all, if one wishes to sign they will, if not they won't. The petition's host site provides direct links to several other sites with the celebrities' opinions for all to judge. The poll is the antithesis of slanted, it actually offers readers the chance to make an educated and informed decision... you must not be used to that.

Actually, Maine, that post wasn't directed to you exactly.

I know, I know... still a little sore over your poll being deleted.

[Mayhem_J30]

btw, i merged the two threads about celebrities and politics.

[BIONICQ45]

btw, i merged the two threads about celebrities and politics.

There are some boohooers because of your merger. I don't think the two were directly correlated but what is done is done.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

smack him mr jefferson !!!!! that avatar rules :ylsuper

[AZhitman]

Mayhem - I had originally split 'em. But I'm OK with it if it was your call to rejoin 'em.

Still waiting for someone to respond to my challenge... No takers?

[deesolballs]

Hey Greg, I did link you all to Pat Tillman. He can be recognized as one with influence who made a very significant contribution.

[AZhitman]

Thanks brotha - As with all strong leaders (you'll be able to appreciate this), I require no outside validation.

Like Mr. Tillman, external influences and opinions play NO part in the steadfastness of my resolve - Those who choose to follow can be assured that they do so willingly and in response to the best/truest information I can provide.

Double-talk and confusion is THE DEVIL!

[89sxRCR]

All you did was twist my words, hoping for a fight.Haven't you found any friends yet?:rolleyes

sigh...that seems to be your response when you dont have anything to come back with...I didnt twist words, its what you said. Quote »Celebrities don't have to do this, but they're trying to do what's best for people, and everyone should at least appreciate that. They're trying to make a difference[/quote] im not appreciating it.

[ninjak84]

Not only are they (as a whole) far less educated than you or I, but they have the audacity to think their opinion is somehow more important due to their social status.

*Sigh*

This is by far one of the most ignorant things I've read in a while.It shows one of the things seriously wrong with the American people.You don't take anything for face value, and you accuse these "uneducated" (:rolleyes) celebrities of doing this to boost their social status. They're trying to do something to help the world, and the ungrateful people of their country refuse to accept it.If I were a celebrity reading this petition, I WOULD pack my bags and leave.Why stay in a country where you aren't appreciated for trying to help? I'd just say "screw you" to the Americans, and move to Europe where it wouldn't be my problem at all.

Whatever, I'm done with this thread. It's going nowhere productive, and neither is this petition.Do you really think this petition will "silence" every celebrity? :rolleyes

[MaineExport]

Originally posted by ninjak84 "]you accuse these "uneducated" (:rolleyes) celebrities of doing this to boost their social status.

I don't recall where Hitman said they were doing it to boost their status.

They're trying to do something to help the world,

Then they should run for office...

and the ungrateful people of their country

WHAAAAAAT???!!!! You would have us bow down and kiss their feet? Who is the ungrateful party here.... us for not appreciating their speaking on our behalf.. or them for abusing the fame and wealth the WE give them... so that they may act in ways that could hinder the expedient solution to a problem that they do not have all the information pertaining to. These are celebrities.... they DON'T have all the answers, and the fact that you would put that much faith in their foreign policy is testament to the power the media has over the easily influenced.

If I were a celebrity reading this petition, I WOULD pack my bags and leave.

Then I wish you were a celeb!

Why stay in a country where you aren't appreciated for trying to help? I'd just say "screw you" to the Americans, and move to Europe where it wouldn't be my problem at all.

Yes, becasue Europe has never had any problems protecting themselves.... man you guys take somuch for granted. Som day you will wake up and see what has been handed to you... talk about ungrateful ignorance.

Do you really think this petition will "silence" every celebrity? :rolleyes

Nope... but it sure is fun!

[FrEaK]

Maine always makes so very good points... but says it in the least abbrasive way... perhaps he should join the Mclaughlin Group.... :rolleyes

[deesolballs]

I think Maine should take a break and go get the canuck s*** cleaned from his proverbial boots. He has been whipping you ungrateful, ill-informed, self-proclaimed problem solving basturds off the front lines just like Reagan did those Marxist degenerates in the 80s.

Maine is helping the other PATRIOTS here when the NICOLD WAR! :ylsuper

Yet and still we should contain emotions...heaven forbid someone gets their feelings hurt.

[FrEaK]

I wish to be refered to as a neutral at this point... seeing as this has turned into a US vs Canada argument, i'll be the neutral Iraquie

[deesolballs]

This is not a US vs Canucky-Basturd argument or even an argument for that matter. This was a debate about.....hmmm....well it was a debate not an argument. It just seems that the canucks here deem themselves worthy to instruct US citizens on policy, ettiquette, celebs, public opinion, economics, the environment, graciousness, US history and whatever else has been address in this thread.

You may ride the fence FrEaK but remember... he who rides the fence gets barbed wire in his arse. They don't call you FrEaK for nothing.You freaky canuck sap you!!:pface

[89sxRCR]

phew, go main! you want celebrity guidance, just look at how often they get divorced and screw up (rehab)..... i dont want those people "helping" educate america..

[FrEaK]

Even though i am not an american citizen, i do think that Canadians have opinions like everyone else, and even though our opinion may not matter as much as yours as an American, there is a good chance we'll be fighting beside you when you do go to war.... Keep that in mind... i'm not riding the fence, i just dont have enough information to join this debate, and introduce new information on the topic... it seems as though Main and Vimy are doing just fine by themselves....