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You have quite an issue with Dubya, don't ya Vinnie?

Yep. Like when is this Ivy League educated appointed president going to learn how to say "nuclear" instead of "nucular"? Is this display of ignorance supposed to make him endearing or something? Like a good ole country boy?

And I don't give a rat's arse what DM thinks, he's a friggin' singer. Same holds true for actors like Susan Sarandon or Sean Penn.

Or Chuck Heston or Ronnie Raygun? Canadians: I like them despite their inflicting us with Tom Green. But every country has their good and bad points.

He got kicked out because he lied on his resume. Claimed he was funny. Out he went. I got kicked out because I was considered too right wing. ;)

Dees: is not anally fixated. I think he's callin' 'em as he's sees 'em

Dees not anally fixated? Is France not full of arrogant, gaulic winos? BTW, I have an artist's rendering of some land in Fl you might be interested in.

The ring lives... Regards

Apparently, it does.

Deeso, poo poo is called "merde" in France.


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Not to say that Americans are a pure market economy, but to everyone else thats exactly what they appear to operate in, for us a mixed economy brings the best of both worlds (to some extent)...

The biggest problem with being a purely capitalistic country lies in its unstableness and distinction between the levels of income (High, Low)

This is a little less apparent in Canada...

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FrEaK wrote:Not to say that Americans are a pure market economy, but to everyone else thats exactly what they appear to operate in, for us a mixed economy brings the best of both worlds (to some extent)...

The biggest problem with being a purely capitalistic country lies in its unstableness and distinction between the levels of income (High, Low)

This is a little less apparent in Canada...
I know this is off topic and some of the US folks will assume that I am America bashing but I will offer you an objective account of the dicotomy between rich and poor in the US from a Canadian's perspective. Don't crawl all over me, please.

I had a symphony call in NW Indiana one morning and on my way back there was an accident on the expressway. Checking the map I got off I94 and headed overland to I57 which runs parrallel for some way at that point and would get me around the jam.

I drove through some of the most desolet strecthes of urban decay I have ever seen or could ever have imagined. I didn't feel safe till I got to areas that had all the buildings leveled for a few blocks at a time. The people were so poor and desparate looking that I was reasonably concerned about my safety.

Later that evening I was playing a wedding at a very very rich country club. Leaving, I noticed all the giant Mercedes, Bentlys, Rolls, Jags etc. being pulled up by the valets. That's when the vast gulf between rich and poor in the US hit me. Here in one city were a scene from Mogadishu and an episode of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

There are vast areas of ver very poor people in the US but the attitude is that it is the right of the poor to remain poor. You don't ever see mile after mile of abject poverty in Canada. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, really and truly. It was a shock to me to learn about it.

Futhermore, in the deep south when I have had occaision to get off the beaten path, the people there are very poor as well. In Canada there is a lot of hue and cry about the living conditions on Indian reservations but the conditions these sons of the south lived in were comparable if not worse. The south voted Republican. Go figure.

Perhaps this is why I have a bone to pick with W. This gulf between the haves and the have nots is only going to grow under his leadership.

Please, don't jump all over this honest reporter. These were my impressions of the USA. Now, I don't think about it much. It's just the way it is here.

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Quote »I drove through some of the most desolet strecthes of urban decay I have ever seen or could ever have imagined. I didn't feel safe till I got to areas that had all the buildings leveled for a few blocks at a time. The people were so poor and desparate looking that I was reasonably concerned about my safety.[/quote]

And now passing through the Projects, please keep hand and heads inside the vehicle, our it may be bitten off by a crackhead....

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Hitman... are you sure we weren't separated at birth... I mean I know the physical similarities are obviously lacking.... but this gets more frightening every time another layer is revealed!!!

My favorite drummers... the obvious choices Keith Moon, Neil Pert, Stewart Copland, Nicko McBrain (Iron Mainden), Jeff Procorro (Toto, Steely Dan, many others). More recently... Mike Bordin (Fath No More and Ozzy).. and the drummers from Pantera, korn, and Tool also impress the heck out of me (their names escape me).

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maineimport wrote:My favorite drummers... the obvious choices Keith Moon, Neil Pert, Stewart Copland, Nicko McBrain (Iron Mainden), Jeff Procorro (Toto, Steely Dan, many others). More recently... Mike Bordin (Fath No More and Ozzy).. and the drummers from Pantera, korn, and Tool also impress the heck out of me (their names escape me).
What?!?! No Steve Gad, Peter Erskine, Jack DeJohnette or Buddy Rich? You have some more sides to listen to, Grasshopper. :D

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VimyJ wrote:What?!?! No Steve Gad, Peter Erskine, Jack DeJohnette or Buddy Rich? You have some more sides to listen to, Grasshopper. :D


I just said my favorites... as in... the type of music I typically listen to. I am a fan of jazz, blues, "classical", latin, and all kinds of music. But, it's not what I listen to daily.... so while I respect the talent of those percussionists/drummers, they are just simply not my favorites.

But... I will give a huge nod to guys like Tito Puentes, Horacio Hernandez, Giovanni Hidalgo, Phil Collins, Dennis Chambers, Peter Erskin, Buddy Rich.... adn the list goes on for pages....

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Next time you get a chance to listen to Buddy listen carefully to what he does on his ride cymbal (or hi hat depending on the context). He is the only guy I've ever heard that could do what he did. While alive he was the "World's Greatest Drummer". Maybe not the world's greatest drummer/musicain (if there is even such a thing ;) ) but the greatest kit player of all time. The guy was a freak. That's not to say he's my favourite drummer though.

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Buddy's the gold standard, plain and simple.

My faves (based on the music I listen to): Scott Rockenfield, Neal Peart, the drummer from TOOL, Tommy Lee (settle, down, the boy's got talent), P. Collins, the kid from Creed (why can't he go solo?), the kid from Green Day, N. McBrain... I'm sure there's others - I just woke up.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by VimyJ "]Yep. Like when is this Ivy League educated appointed president going to learn how to say "nuclear" instead of "nucular"? Is this display of ignorance supposed to make him endearing or something? Like a good ole country boy?

I couldn't agree more - I HATE THAT!!!

or Ronnie Raygun?

Don't even go there. How the HELL can you compare RR to the likes of Heston/Sarandon/Penn? WTF is wrong with you? Just when some of what you say starts to make sense and I think your capable of rational thought, you go and spout something stupid like that.

You need to brush up on your history and you'll recognize that a good dose of the Gipper is exactly what this country needs right now.

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AZhitman wrote:

You need to brush up on your history and you'll recognize that a good dose of the Gipper is exactly what this country needs right now.
What? We need another guy who was upstaged by a monkey, called his wife "Mommie" and had the astrolgers in regularly to advise on foreign policy? More Iran/Contra drugs for arms? "Just say no"? We were just recovering from him when we got W appointed and now we're headed again to crushing debt. The guy reminded me of Chauncey Gardener from the movie "Being There". BTW, I believe penicillin can cure the dose.

(This site is becoming a hard hat area. :D )

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In order: Opinion, so what, hearsay, myth, and your point is?

Tomorrow (when I have more time) I'll educate you on one of the greatest (not infallible, not perfect) leaders of modern civilizations.

p.s. I need no hard hat - I'm tougher than that.

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Vimy.... seriously, read "Reagan’s War". You must realize we were on the brink of nuclear warheads being lobbed across the Atlantic. We were so close to an absolute humanity ending disaster it is scary to even think about. Reagan was one of the most ingenious leaders of the last few centuries. It isn't a stretch to say he saved the world from nuclear destruction. And it is absolute fact that he saved this country's economy and damn near single-handedly won the cold war with policy and posturing alone.

If not for Reagan, there is a VERY good chance that none of us would be sitting here right now, and if we were alive we would probably be governed by Gorby and Co. I know you won’t read the book because you can’t discipline yourself enough to take an outside opinion for what it’s worth. But if you read it, I seriously doubt you would flap at the jaw about him like you have been. The man deserves the utmost respect, and far too many people take his administration for granted. God help us if Carter stayed in office

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Remember, Maine - It may be hard to convince someone who has gotten used to defending the likes of Clinton, Carter and the Kennedy clan (not necessarily you Vim).

"Recovering from him"? You must think the economy turns on a dime based upon who's in office. It's more like turning around an oil tanker...

Crushing debt... Hmmmm. Who's gonna come collecting?

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Reagan is amongst the greatest Presidents of the century in my humble opinion. Perestroika alone helps argue that point.

Do you feel any loyalty towards the US Vim (I know you have none towards the leaders)? Here is a chance for a soap box rant for you.

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Dees, I don't think I'd put Ronnie Raygun ahead of FDR or Truman. Do you remember that little Iran-contra scandal? Supply-side voodoo economics which exploded the national debt? Ed Meese? That little S&L scandal. He was a great speaker and telegenic, but I'm not sure I put him at the top of the heap for the 20th century...

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If you all weren't nico members I bet we'd have some college professors here.

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Bubba1 wrote:Dees, I don't think I'd put Ronnie Raygun ahead of FDR or Truman. Do you remember that little Iran-contra scandal? Supply-side voodoo economics which exploded the national debt? Ed Meese? That little S&L scandal. He was a great speaker and telegenic, but I'm not sure I put him at the top of the heap for the 20th century...


Perestroika! Perestroika! Perestroika!

Reagan won the cold war!! Under Ronald Reagan, everywhere the Soviets had turned, their pressure was met by U.S. counter pressure. Where the Soviets had supported Marxist-guerrilla movements, their imperial gains were checked and reversed by U.S.-backed anti-Communist groups. He stopped the seepage of communism and tried to instill justice and democracy.

America's winning of the Cold War liberated ENTIRE nations and freed ordinary individuals from tyranny. Ronald Reagan and his administration won it without sacrificing battalion upon battalion of bright, young lives, without dotting any continent with freshly dug American graves. How many Presidents can say that they have changed the entire world with minimal blood shed?? Not Lincoln, not FDR, not Truman, neither of the Bushes.

With the winning of the cold war social and economical walls came down all over the world. Because of Reagan’s foot work we have made so much progress in international trade. It is the principle of comparative advantage at work. Lifestyles/standards of living have bettered world wide because of it.

I did not say he was the greatest. I said he is amongst the Greatest (although if there were a poll he’d have my vote). Three cheers for President Ronald Reagan!!!:patriot

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Tino wrote:If you all weren't nico members I bet we'd have some college professors here.


And you would have earned an "F" long ago.:pface

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Beautifully written Dees - Don't forget the graceful resilience he exhibited when he demanded the Berlin Wall come down AND when he continued to run the country even though he was nearly killed by Hinckley (BTW - Very few people realize how critical his injuries were).

I'll add more tomorrow.

Put Ronnie on Rushmore.

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Thank you Deesolb's... Reagan would have my vote as well. People just don't realize what an amazing man he was (unfortunately now he is a mere shadow of his former self). Hitman, can't wait to read your post tomorrow!

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Bubba1 wrote:Dees, I don't think I'd put Ronnie Raygun ahead of FDR or Truman. Do you remember that little Iran-contra scandal? Supply-side voodoo economics which exploded the national debt? Ed Meese? That little S&L scandal. He was a great speaker and telegenic, but I'm not sure I put him at the top of the heap for the 20th century...


MEGA DITTOS on that. ;)

Well put, Bubba.

I think the economy flourished in the 90's because a smart guy was in charge and suffered in the 80's because a smart guy wasn't. We're suffering now. I sure hope we get a smart guy in the next election.

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Bubba - Let's talk Iran-contra. Explain to me how that can be a bad thing. The national debt? Look at the GNP during the same period. S&L's? The president? You're stretching.

Yes, of course, Vim - The economy shifts the VERY moment the oath is taken...Please.

Mike, if you're comparing Clinton and Reagan with that statement then I'm done posting here - I thought you were smarter than that.

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Oh freakin' my!

My big bro sent me this link that pretty much hits the nail on the head. Anone who agrees that celebrities and politics don't mix... checkout this petition!

EDIT: sorry.. the link was hosed for a second there... my mistake... it's fixed now.

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Maine - Give that it's OWN thread!

Thanks!

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AZhitman wrote:Bubba - Let's talk Iran-contra. Explain to me how that can be a bad thing. The national debt? Look at the GNP during the same period. S&L's? The president? You're stretching.

Yes, of course, Vim - The economy shifts the VERY moment the oath is taken...Please.

Mike, if you're comparing Clinton and Reagan with that statement then I'm done posting here - I thought you were smarter than that.
Now, now, AZ, let's not get in a huff. My experience when Raygun was in office was worry. I was always wondering what kind of stunt he was going to pull next and that feeling only deepened after the assasination attempt. The blood transfusion nearly killed him and he became even less sharp. Even you must admit that he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with.

Raygun must have had some effect on the economy because all presidents do. But if you can credit RR with the booming 90's because of what he did in the 80's then you can also credit him with the creation of Usamma Bin Laden.

It was Afghanistan that was the end of the Soviet Union. That war bled them white. The CCCP was headed to the dustbin of history with or without help from Ronnie and now we have Bin Laden as an example of the law of unexpected consequences. Glasnost was created in the Soviet Union not by executive order from the White House. To his credit, RR did give the house of cards the Kremlin ruled over a nudge that moved things along by a few months what with Gorbachov and perestroika. However, claiming Reagan single handedly routed the Soviet Union by demanding Gorby pull the wall down is way over the top and jingoistic.

I really am at a loss as to why some think the former acter was such a genius. To me he seemed like a simple minded idealist who risked nuclear winter (to bring back an 80's catch phrase). We all thought that there could be nuclear consequences from Raygun's activities.

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id sign that....barbera streisand...ug

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AZhitman wrote:Maine - Give that it's OWN thread!

Thanks!


Be careful that a moderator doesn't come by and lock it down because it might somehow offend some members. Sorry to be he conservative here, but the US constitution guarantees all in the US the freedom of speech.

Blithely and blindly trusting W & Co.? Ignorance must be bliss.

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Anyone who doesn’t appreciate Barbra Streisand and Sean Penn representing your political view points should check out this petition.

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Originally posted by VimyJ "]Blithely and blindly trusting W & Co.? Ignorance must be bliss.

Nope,.... just trusting the fact that he might know a little more about the situation than you or Sean Penn.


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