building a KA-T (WHAT MOTOR WILL HE CHOOSE NEXT?!)

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PyR0NiAk wrote:I only disagree with one statement. It really doesn't take gobs of money to make a KA-T. Roman (Romeo_Rus) bought and built his S14 for less than 5k. He went with a T3/T4 turbo, some 370cc injectors, a rom tune, and no internal work whatsoever. Hell, he's still running on the same headgasket. Roman's a big DIY guy and an ebay warrior, so it kept things pretty cheap.
Your thinking locally, I'm thinking GLLOBBAALLYYY. God tell me you've seen "Bio-Dome" with Polly Shore.

Though it may not in the beginning, your are inevitably forcing air into an engine that doesn't like to have its air forced. Parts within that engine aren't meant for boost conditions, hints the reason it came to us naturally aspirated (and the fact secretary's enjoy driving our cars).

While its on my mind, seeing as I've never really researched the part up until about 2 minutes ago, can someone break down how an FMU works? I've only looking into things electronically.


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The FMU works under the same principle as the stock fuel pressure regulator. The stock regulator has a spring that presses a plate against a hole that fuel flows through. It won’t let the fuel flow through the hole until pressure builds up to a predetermined pressure. One the pressure in the fuel rail reaches this pressure it pushes the plate to open the hole and let excess fuel flow back to the tank. A vacuum line attaches to the regulator to assist moving the plate to open the valve (hole) during vacuum and to push the plate closed during boost.

The FMU works on the same principle, except the size of the plate is bigger so that it is more sensitive to boost pressure. The FMU can be tuned by changing the size of the plate (disc) to best match the fuel pressure needed for your boost level and injector size.

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CRyan wrote:OK, I'll lay it out like this. We shall start from the lowest on the totem pole.

KA24DE. Just another way to spell sh*t without having to put in the censor.

KA24DE-T. OK, cool idea. But lets face it, at least 80% of NICO aren't wanting to drop gobs of money into making an engine that was orignially built to pull stuff, a turbo-charged machine. You tell me that a KA will last longer on 8psi COMPLETELY STOCK than the SR20DET on 8 PSI. Good luck with coming up with information to back your underpowered "bigger" engine.

I will put the SR20DET right here in the middle. It IS a great platform engine, as I have already stated. With a bottom end able to handle some kind of power, it only takes a little tuning and a few bolt on's and you've got yourself a 300 HP engine. Its drop in affair, and rather simple wiring, makes this any newly acquainted 240 owner's dream. Not to mention the support from NICO, and aftermarket support that is sought after as if it were a "B" series Honda engine.

Here you go, WD. The GM 350/350 crate engine SOUNDS fantastic! As WD has stated, it allows you to have power that turbo-charged engines will only find at a certain RPM. Tuning carborated engines can be relatively simple, but you lose a huge factor that the other t3 engines have - gas mileage. Who, in this economy, wants to fill up at every other gas station? BUT. Big but. If you do not have the required skills, you will find yourself slowly digging a hole. I'm all for DYI's, and though I may have the skills available, I wouldn't want to take the risk. Unless I knew the vehicle was track-only.

I think I covered the engine's discussed. Hope it helps the OP make his mind up, one day.
I'm done with all this...most of the stuff you say is incorrect and flawed do to your SR favoritism. Don't post anymore crap in this forum, I could rip apart all of your statements, but it's boring and I'm tired of doing it. If you actually argued something with factual info and could debate open minded I'd have no issue, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit here and watch a couple of SR guys come in here and throw around a bunch of words that aren't even close to right.

BTW smart guy the mid 90's Z28 with the 5.7 would get 28mpg because the immense torque available allowed for the trans to be geared very low, so it could lope along the freeway at 70mph at only 1900 rpm. Educate yourself on torque and gearing multiplication and then read about how over drive works...then come back and I'll give you a list of other stuff you need to know JUST to bring you up to speed :wavey:

People that bring mpg ratings into the equation when referencing power can drink my ball sweat. Everything is relative to vehicle weight, gearing and throttle application. I'd go further but it would be pointless...how many MPG does the LS7 get?

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CRyan wrote: your are inevitably forcing air into an engine that doesn't like to have its air forced. Parts within that engine aren't meant for boost conditions, hints the reason it came to us naturally aspirated (and the fact secretary's enjoy driving our cars).
What does that even mean dude? Are you off your meds? I thought your last post was bad...THIS just highlights how little you know. Sorry to come off like a d!ck, but I call it like I see it. Seriously...are you just trying to provoke an argument in here or do you actually believe the stuff you're typing?

I may attack the SR, but then I back up everything I say with factual points. Remember I never even go to the SR forum, this latest random stuff has been because Pyro invited me.

Again, I'm sorry if it looks like I'm just being a prick, but I'd say all of this right to you if we were working on someones car drinking beer.

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WDRacing wrote:I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit here and watch a couple of SR guys come in here and throw around a bunch of words that aren't even close to right.
A couple of SR guys?? I'm pretty sure I backed up everything I've said, man.


Sadly, I have to agree with Brian on the debating being over. I started to walk away from this a couple days ago. Some people are starting to take it seriously, and that's not cool. It was fun when it was just for fun, but when false info starts getting tossed it's not good, because that s*** gets pulled up in Google, and, ultimately, reflects on NICO.

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I'm in no way trying to drag this out or anything - My believes are from what I have learned, but I will accept my favoritism towards the SR, I only thought of it as pulling the tail of the KA-T guys. But I will apologize for my misinformation performed in earlier post, and the fact that I just stirred the pot as an "arguement" and not a debate. . .One slap to the face for that.

But out of curiosity, and the more well knowing for myself, how is that statement in anyway inaccurate? The KA is an engine that is naturally aspirated. And the internals of it were never blueprinted to be introduced to "boost" conditions.

And please, don't take it as I'm being a d!ck - I'm just baffled at how my statements were incorrect or misguided? Mind you it may be opinionated, and therefor can't be considered "true" or "false", I take it to the behalf of what information was misinformed? To keep this from coming up, you can just PM me WD, I'm honestly not wanting for it to become a KA-T/SR hate thing. . .

Again, I am sorry if my post came off as "arguing", I only posted my opinion from the knowledge acquired via NICO and first hand experience.

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Forget I mentioned anything...I forget the rules sometimes. You're never gonna get anyone to listen to anything if you argue, that's a b**** for me to remember...lol. I'm Irish / Scottish, drink to much and I'm opinionated. Doesn't always make for the best 2 way com.

Side Note: The OP obviously has a passion for penor... :wavey:

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