building a KA-T (WHAT MOTOR WILL HE CHOOSE NEXT?!)

[DMan II-40]

I dont get what the OP wants. It seems like he is switching his plans every month on what he wants to do....

[Doya]

^That

[WDRacing]

The CA/SR/RB all pale in comparison to a well built Chevy V8. A 383 stroker will put down more torque by 2800 rpm then any low budget Nissan build. Chevy stuff is just that much cheaper.

I'd go with a standard 5.7 liter 350 attached to your transmission of choice. More power throughout the entire rpm band then any of the earlier motors discussed and usually for alot cheaper. Also if something does take a crap, there are places online that will DELIVER a brand new short block for under $900.

Even Pyro the efficiency watch dog can't argue with the smile brought on by the instant right now power delivered from a V8. Carb tuning problems are a thing of the past as well. It's hard to argue against old school tech when it comes to affordable and reliable power.

WD

[PyR0NiAk]

Haha. Way to add another way for him to change his mind again. I also like how I got a title. Downright awesome.

[WDRacing]

That is a pretty good title for you...course I came up with it so it's automatically got awesomeness attached to it.

[motoman399]

lol too bad there is no custom titles anymore

[WDRacing]

Rest assured I'll be handing them out when as soon as the function is available

[trackslut240]

i'd say jump on the v8, no need of boost, first get used to that torque. even crappy v8s will be fun, the sound, the carbs...simple. there will be a whole new can of mods u can do to the v8 for cheap too. they will run forever, if only some care is taken. this thread needs to stay off topic... how about the (insert your engine here)?

in that dilemma, to rebuild ka or start exploring other motors....

[PyR0NiAk]

Rest assured I'll be handing them out when as soon as the function is available

God help some of these kids if Moderators are able to add them.

[Razi]

I'll take this time to shamelessly plug that I'm selling a 8:1 FMU.

[PyR0NiAk]

Supposedly, he's set on the SR now. He has a thread in the SR forum as well.. We'll see.

[WDRacing]

Can I get a linksy so I can stroll over and make sure you SR Fan Boiz aren't lying to him

Actually, I'm gonna start a domestic vs SR debate!!! See how many sandy vajayjays reside in the SR forum these days

[PyR0NiAk]

another-nuby-sr-question-t495585.html#p5633762 Just for you Brian.

p.s. Don't make me pull out my efficiency arguments again.

[motoman399]

hey pyroniak, what is the average wheel horsepower that an sr can handle in stock form? just curious not trying to make a "discussion" again lol.

[WDRacing]

another-nuby-sr-question-t495585.html#p5633762 Just for you Brian.

p.s. Don't make me pull out my efficiency arguments again.

I'll wait till I get a GOOD buzz and post later tonight. Feel free to edit anything TO overboard

hey pyroniak, what is the average wheel horsepower that an sr can handle in stock form? just curious not trying to make a "discussion" again lol.

Yes, what is THIS answer. When are most people popping the SR and what is the culprit?

My attack angle btw will be "if anything is on the table WHY SR?" So I'll have free reign to destroy all SR discussion like a coked out pittbull eats kittens.

[motoman399]

hahahaha WD we need to drink together some time!! make sure you put a link to the thread i want to join

[WDRacing]

another-nuby-sr-question-t495585.html

Feel free to pile on my friend...lol.

[PyR0NiAk]

hey pyroniak, what is the average wheel horsepower that an sr can handle in stock form? just curious not trying to make a "discussion" again lol.

There's an entire thread dedicated to this. hp-with-basic-mods-on-sr-t59344.html

Now let's take our SR with the 'basic' mods (240ish rwhp) and stick a T3/T4 turbo kit on it like the one http://www.enjukuracing.com sells. With this settup your still going to be limited to the 240-250rwhp level due to the stock fuel system. But your going to be making those HP levels at a lower boost level (around 10psi) since the turbo is moving a lot bigger volume of air than the overworked T-2small. Let's throw on some bigger injectors and crank the boost up. 550's a Z32 MAF and some basic tunning will get us up to allmost 400rwhp but will be running on the edge of what they can handle. (it takes about 22psi to make 400rwhp with a basic 'big turbo' settup give or take a few PSI or HP). Now let's go play with the big boys and get up to the 460-480 rwhp range. Now your having to add cams, intake manifold, massive injectors and some really great tunning while still running in the 22psi ballpark. That motor will make over 400hp at as low a boost level as 15psi since it's opperating so much more effeciently.

codyace reached 400+whp on a T2 GT2871 .64 AR, some S3 cams, and 50 pound injectors on a stock bottom end at 18psi.

[PyR0NiAk]

My attack angle btw will be "if anything is on the table WHY SR?" So I'll have free reign to destroy all SR discussion like a coked out pittbull eats kittens.

What if my kitten is a coked out mountain lion? Just sayin'.

[WDRacing]

Any SR that makes those numbers has lag and no low end torque...call it a mountain lion if ya want to.

You know that a 350 would make a 240 funner to drive then even a modded SR. You simply can't compare huge torque with none. They are apples and oranges really.

[PyR0NiAk]

Did you see codyace's dyno sheet? It's not very laggy at all.. I've definitely been in more laggy cars with LESS power..

EDIT:

[WDRacing]

By laggy I mean the time it takes to reach full torque, not the spool time, my bad. The point I was trying to make is that any half decent 350 build with generic Summit Racing or Jegs brand parts is gonna make well over 300 ft lbs of motivation from like 1800 rpm on up.

The above SR dyno shows him not even crossing 200 until almost 4000 dang rpm. Not to mention the boat load of extra cash he has invested to get just to there. I could easily build a single turbo setup for a 350 for the price of his turbo alone. Granted, that's with me doing all the work, but still.

I'm not attacking the SR, I'm just saying there are far better options. I mean...you can't seriously try and tell me that if you could install any motor within reason you'd do the SR? That's just silly unless you have some weird SR fetish.

[PyR0NiAk]

I'm not attacking the SR, I'm just saying there are far better options. I mean...you can't seriously try and tell me that if you could install any motor within reason you'd do the SR? That's just silly unless you have some weird SR fetish.

YOU LEAVE MY HAPPY PLACE ALONE!!

As a daily driver that sees occasional track time, I'd still prefer the SR (or almost any built I4 for that matter) for the simple fact of gas mileage when I'm not at full throttle. My friend's LS1 RX-7 is lucky to see 25mpg. Yet, Kyle (kpodj) is reaching 30mpg on his SR powered S14 any time he's not giving it hell, which is rare, but not the point.

[SiDwAyZ240]

Daammn WD, now where putting a turbo on the 350? This is almost cause for a new section on this forum. I haven't thought of this kind of setup since "Turbo: Real World High Performance Turbocharger Systems" by Jay Miller. Talks about mainly these kinds of setups and diesels too.

Oh OP, now you get another one of these KA>SR all day.

Pound for pound KA are better, just because SRs were built for boost doesn't mean its any easier or cheaper or reliable for 275+HP. Really if you think about it, the price of the SR+Forged/Build Parts etc. is just way more $$ than a KA that you already have + some forged/build parts to get to the same HP and more torque with the KA.

Like WD said, we all know torque is where the fun is.

[PyR0NiAk]

^- someone missed the other thread where I proved that "pound for pound" the SR outperforms the KA completely. If you go to this kid's thread in the SR section, you'll notice WDRacing isn't even bringing the KA into the fight because he knows I'm going to shut it down.

[PyR0NiAk]

For argument's sake...

CA18DE: 131 hp/1.809 liters 72.4 hp/liter

SR20DE: 140 hp/1.998 liters 70.1 hp/liter

KA24DE: 155 hp/2.389 liters 64.9 hp/liter

CA wins... KA loses horribly!

Nevermind, it was THIS thread And since you used the phrase "pound for pound" why don't you go ahead and look up the weights of each motor while you're trying to figure out how to come back at me.

[SiDwAyZ240]

Good Info. I saw it when you posted before. I was not using pound for pound in a literal sense, sorry for not being more clear. Maybe "bang for your buck" fits better. The point is KA has more power and torque. Power+Torque=More Fun To Drive. Saving money on doing it is just the added bonus.

I also believe the KA is more DIY friendly. I like doing everything myself and even some everyday mechanics wouldn't attempt wiring a SR into US 240. Just my 2 cents.

So here's a on me if I offended you. I do not read or comment on this forum to wage verbal assault on other members, just friendly jabs once in a while.

[PyR0NiAk]

LOL... Apparently you didn't read the whole thread. Myself and a few of you KA fanboys have been going at it for a while. It's all in fun. Either way, the wiring on an SR is EASY. Any mechanic that will tell you he wouldn't do it, shouldn't be allowed to touch your car. Especially considering I did mine with nothing but a $10 soldering iron, some heat shrink, and some electrical tape. As far as more power, I've covered that before as well, but just in case you missed it, go back to page 5 and look at the bottom. You can also look at the top of this page to see a good example of what happens with SRs with mild cams and a T2 GT2871R with a supporting fuel system. That dyno is also a Rom Tune, by the way.

[CRyan]

OK, I'll lay it out like this. We shall start from the lowest on the totem pole.

KA24DE. Just another way to spell sh*t without having to put in the censor.

KA24DE-T. OK, cool idea. But lets face it, at least 80% of NICO aren't wanting to drop gobs of money into making an engine that was orignially built to pull stuff, a turbo-charged machine. You tell me that a KA will last longer on 8psi COMPLETELY STOCK than the SR20DET on 8 PSI. Good luck with coming up with information to back your underpowered "bigger" engine.

I will put the SR20DET right here in the middle. It IS a great platform engine, as I have already stated. With a bottom end able to handle some kind of power, it only takes a little tuning and a few bolt on's and you've got yourself a 300 HP engine. Its drop in affair, and rather simple wiring, makes this any newly acquainted 240 owner's dream. Not to mention the support from NICO, and aftermarket support that is sought after as if it were a "B" series Honda engine.

Here you go, WD. The GM 350/350 crate engine SOUNDS fantastic! As WD has stated, it allows you to have power that turbo-charged engines will only find at a certain RPM. Tuning carborated engines can be relatively simple, but you lose a huge factor that the other t3 engines have - gas mileage. Who, in this economy, wants to fill up at every other gas station? BUT. Big but. If you do not have the required skills, you will find yourself slowly digging a hole. I'm all for DYI's, and though I may have the skills available, I wouldn't want to take the risk. Unless I knew the vehicle was track-only.

I think I covered the engine's discussed. Hope it helps the OP make his mind up, one day.

[PyR0NiAk]

I only disagree with one statement. It really doesn't take gobs of money to make a KA-T. Roman (Romeo_Rus) bought and built his S14 for less than 5k. He went with a T3/T4 turbo, some 370cc injectors, a rom tune, and no internal work whatsoever. Hell, he's still running on the same headgasket. Roman's a big DIY guy and an ebay warrior, so it kept things pretty cheap.