Apple did it again - iPhone 4

[Jesda]

I did the same exact thing and stuck with the 3G figuring the next release would be big. I've had PDA's since the first Palm. IAs a phone/PDA I owned a Treo 600, 650 and 700p. They were all button keyboards and I had no problems transitioning to the virtual keyboard. When I hear people complaining about it, it's usually because they want to complain.

Yes, I'm complaining to you personally, on the internet, for fun.

[Jesda]

I'm not sure what business you're in but the industry I'm in (entertainment) is DOMINATED by the iPhone. Maybe you should step outside of your bubble and look around, it's an amazing world out here.

Nokia and RIM own the smartphone market by a wide margin. Maybe you should step outside of your bubble and look around, it's an amazing world out here.

I use whatever suits my needs. I don't run around pushing my agenda like a Mormon missionary. I don't care if anyone buys the same device I use.

[Watermelonwarrior]

Oh please. Hardly anyone in business uses an iphone. The blackberry dominates the business world.

I'm not sure what business you're in but the industry I'm in (entertainment) is DOMINATED by the iPhone. Maybe you should step outside of your bubble and look around, it's an amazing world out here.

haha yeah ok buddy.

YOU need to step out of the bubble. Ya your probably right about the entertainment industry because everyone cares about what others think and iphone is the cool thing. Sorry but blackberry are used more for business then the iphone and thats a fact.

[Empty V]

Nokia and RIM own the smartphone market by a wide margin. Maybe you should step outside of your bubble and look around, it's an amazing world out here.

I use whatever suits my needs. I don't run around pushing my agenda like a Mormon missionary. I don't care if anyone buys the same device I use.

You're right, RIM has a massive share of the market. But apple is closing in and saying that the iPhone is not a business oriented device is straight ignorant and most likely coming from someone who has not owned one. I never said that Apple dominated the entire business world, I just said that it dominated the entertainment industry. So what bubble am I in?

[Empty V]

YOU need to step out of the bubble. Ya your probably right about the entertainment industry because everyone cares about what others think and iphone is the cool thing. Sorry but blackberry are used more for business then the iphone and thats a fact.

You know what you're 100% correct. The only reason why anyone has ever bought an iPhone is for reputation. I think you should boycott the entertainment industry and sell your TV and never watch another film because all of the people behind that media are self center narcissistic apple groupies.

[AppleBonker]

everyone that hates an iphone doesn't have one. period.

This is a bold statement. And it definitely made me lol. I have started to hate the iPhone. I just feel there are many better options out there at the same (or lower) price.

[Watermelonwarrior]

Nokia and RIM own the smartphone market by a wide margin. Maybe you should step outside of your bubble and look around, it's an amazing world out here.

I use whatever suits my needs. I don't run around pushing my agenda like a Mormon missionary. I don't care if anyone buys the same device I use.

You're right, RIM has a massive share of the market. But apple is closing in and saying that the iPhone is not a business oriented device is straight ignorant and most likely coming from someone who has not owned one. I never said that Apple dominated the entire business world, I just said that it dominated the entertainment industry. So what bubble am I in?

Did I say the iphone was not for business? Um no. Actually I havnt owned a iphone your right. But iv owned almost every generation ipod. Including the itouch which is practically an iphone. I would say if anything the iphone will be loosing market share to android.

Heres from two different articles.

PORT WASHINGTON, NEW YORK, MAY 10, 2010 - The Android operating system (OS) continued to shake up the U.S. mobile phone market in the first quarter (Q1) of 2010, moving past Apple to take the number-two position among smartphone operating systems, according to The NPD Group, a leading market research company. NPD’s wireless market research reveals that based on unit sales to consumers last quarter the Android operating system moved into second position at 28 percent behind RIM’s OS (36 percent) and ahead of Apple’s OS (21 percent).

In the last month the iPhone has lost 3.2% of its marketshare compared with RIM and Android both gaining considerably. The trend seems to be ongoing as Google's phone market has grown 44% over the past quarter and almost doubled over the past year while the iPhone has lost around 5% and 10% of the overall market over those same periods.

[Jesda]

So what bubble am I in?

The "world" bubble you mentioned a moment ago. Nokia seems to own it because of their success in Europe and Asia.

The next two years will be very interesting.

[Jesda]

everyone that hates an iphone doesn't have one. period.

That's just silly. I like the iPhone a lot, and if it were on the Sprint network (AT&T's data coverage is poor here) I'd possibly own one.



ANYWAY... that high-density IPS display is pretty amazing. The sample photos from the iPhone camera, so far, look really impressive.

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/06/ ... o-samples/

[Empty V]

Did I say the iphone was not for business? Um no. Actually I havnt owned a iphone your right. But iv owned almost every generation ipod. Including the itouch which is practically an iphone. I would say if anything the iphone will be loosing market share to android.

Heres from two different articles.

PORT WASHINGTON, NEW YORK, MAY 10, 2010 - The Android operating system (OS) continued to shake up the U.S. mobile phone market in the first quarter (Q1) of 2010, moving past Apple to take the number-two position among smartphone operating systems, according to The NPD Group, a leading market research company. NPD’s wireless market research reveals that based on unit sales to consumers last quarter the Android operating system moved into second position at 28 percent behind RIM’s OS (36 percent) and ahead of Apple’s OS (21 percent).

In the last month the iPhone has lost 3.2% of its marketshare compared with RIM and Android both gaining considerably. The trend seems to be ongoing as Google's phone market has grown 44% over the past quarter and almost doubled over the past year while the iPhone has lost around 5% and 10% of the overall market over those same periods.

First, learn how to quote others because you're making it too much work to reply. 2nd, go back and read the previous posts.

[Empty V]

So what bubble am I in?

The "world" bubble you mentioned a moment ago. Nokia seems to own it because of their success in Europe and Asia.

The next two years will be very interesting.

To be honest the bubble I was referring to was the US, the world market IMO is much bigger and diverse then the US. And I don't agree with everyone who hates doesn't own. I think there's a lot of people who genuinely dislike the phone and vice-versa. BTW I switched form sprint who I was with for 8 years and I'm ready to go back once apple opens it up to all carriers.

NOW PLEASE this thread was not intended to be an iPhone bashing contest, obviously. It's intended to discuss the new features because lots of us are very excited about this. Please respect that and keep your negative opinions to yourself. No one gives a s*** about how much better you like your phone or your service with actual cell reception.

[Watermelonwarrior]

My bad bro. I obviously spend to much in my bubble and not on the forum like you do. I joined back in 06 when i was 15 and have less posts then you. anyways im done arguing. can we be friends?

[Otto.]

Going back to an earlier statement of his... am I also a hater?

BTW, you cant make a thread boasting about something and then get all defensive at the tiniest disagreement.

[Mitchum]

Fair enough haha, but Again, I live in Canada, so I cant comment on AT&T or any US provider, as all 3 major providers in Canada(Rogers,Telus,Bell) all carry the iphone so everyone gets the provider they lust for here.

I'm aware its a bold statement I made, but I feel alot of people lay un-needed hate towards a product they themselves have no experience with.

[AppleBonker]

everyone that hates an iphone doesn't have one. period.

This is a bold statement. And it definitely made me lol.

everyone that hates an iphone doesn't have one. period.

That's just silly.

Jesda echoed my thoughts? I feel smarter already!

[AppleBonker]

I'm not here to hate or argue. Just pointing out this isn't some sort of amazing revolution in cellular technology. I would certainly agree that Apple has made vast improvements and the iPhone 4 is leagues better than the 3G or 3GS.

you cant make a thread boasting about something and then get all defensive at the tiniest disagreement.

This. I am an equal opportunity hater. I hate the people who blindly love Apple as much as the people that blindly hate on Apple. I just want an informed decision.

[Jesda]

I still have a fondness for the Newton OS. Oh, what could have been.

Someone got it to run on the iPhone.

[Empty V]

I'm not here to hate or argue. Just pointing out this isn't some sort of amazing revolution in cellular technology. I would certainly agree that Apple has made vast improvements and the iPhone 4 is leagues better than the 3G or 3GS.

My pont is that now you're going to see lots of people video conferencing everywhere, this IMO is a revolution and IS going to change how the general public communicates. It's amazing how everyone nit picks but no one has recognized this. This is the main reason why I'm so stoked on this. I think this is why apple is such a breakthrough company. They take amazing ideas to a global scale, wether it's their idea or not. There's lots I don't like about apple, but the iPhone does not fall into that category.

[Mitchum]

my biggest fear with that video call is the cost. Hell, on my plan right now I get CHARGED $4 to receive a picture...I can only imagine how plans will be re-worked to include this new video call, and im predicting it wont be cheap for your average guy like me to use.

That being said, im buying one for sure at the end of the month haha, I called my provider and have a $170 upgrade credit built up from my 3G and never missing a payment, so that means for a new 3 year contract and $20 or so dollars ill get a new iphone.

[Otto.]

The only reason it will become popular and "the hip thing to do" is because of all the mindless sheep following Apple.

Now we're all going to have to deal with hipsters claiming that Apple did it first and everyone else is a ripoff.

One of the main reasons that I don't like Apple today is because of their loyalists.

[Empty V]

The only reason it will become popular and "the hip thing to do" is because of all the mindless sheep following Apple.

Now we're all going to have to deal with hipsters claiming that Apple did it first and everyone else is a ripoff.

One of the main reasons that I don't like Apple today is because of their loyalists.

Wow the apple zealots have really tainted you. So now you're saying that the only reason why people will start video conferencing is because it's cool? Seriously dude listen to yourself. This was going to happen eventually, it just happens to be apple that's blowing it up.

BTW I have no idea what the costs will be for the video conferencing. I'm guessing that it'll be free considering that it's limited to WiFi but I wouldn't put it past Apple or AT&T to figure out a way to charge for it.

[Otto.]

I should have worded it better. I'm extremely tired right now so please excuse the fact that I'm not making any sense.

It will become more popular, faster than it would have it Apple hadn't implemented it, is what I was trying to say.

I'm not trying to lump all Apple owners and fans into one big pile... a lot of them get on my nerves though.

[MinisterofDOOM]

If you're a mac hater check your negativity at the door. Apple is revolutionizing the way we communicate with each other, again. It won't be perfect, but it'll be new and something none of us have seen before.

I'm no mac hater (in fact, I despise mac fanbois and mac haters with equal passion), but I get sick of hearing about how Apple has "revolutionized" this and that. No. They have not revolutionized how we communicate. They made a new piece of phone hardware. That's it. It doesn't change how I talk to people, text people, email people, videocall people, or anything. There's no "revolution" happening. Grab a dictionary and flip to the "R"s.

EVERY new product is "something none of us have seen before." That doesn't mean anything. Marketing jargon, buzzwords, s***.

I'd have a LOT more respect for iStuff if it wasn't constantly pitched (by both Apple and most of the rest of the world) as "revolutionary" or "groundbreaking" or "never seen before" and simply billed for what it is: a device the does what a lot of people need and makes doing those things simple. It's certainly a genius move, but NONE of those devices are remotely revolutionary. In fact, the very reason for their widespread success it that they're NOT revolutionary. They're quite tame, restrained, and very basic. Which makes them user-friendly and not scary. PalmOS and Android are for nerds. Apple's for "normal" people. The only revolution going on with iStuff is on the marketing end, not the product end.

I have no hatred for the iPhone. I just can't stand people throwing around the word "revolutionary" for a very average piece of hardware.

[ADDirishboy]

I'm not sure why you think people are going to video conference everywhere they go. That is a feature I would RARELY use. If I need to talk to somebody on the phone, I'll simply call them. Unless there is something specific they need to show me, I'm not using it.

I have always liked Apple products. I LOVE my MacBook, I love my iPod, I love iTunes. It is all very well put together, very neat, very clean, very posh.

I have only recently started to get over my Apple fanboyism. Why? Because I think too many people go ape s*** every time Apple releases something new. The iPhone 4g is a phone. Nothing more. But the way people talk about it makes me feel like it's the fuking second coming of Jesus.

MoD hit the nail on the head just now. Apple is fantastic for normal people. Your average Joe who doesn't know very much about computers can make himself look like Bill Gates with an Apple, it's just so easy to use. There are lots of people who do know quite a bit about computers who also love Apple, just not a ton of them.

I have nothing against Apple, I just think everyone plays into the hype way to much. I personally know far too many people who will go to the end of the earth screaming that Apple is the greatest thing ever created ever, and nothing will sway them. If it wasn't for all the d-bag fanboys, I'd like Apple a lot more.

[GrilledCheese33]

I have never been a fan of the iphone personally, but the new one does look really cool in its design. However, I will stick to verizon and my blackberry storm, which i'm quite fond of.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

I totally agree with Tyler. Normal, everyday people aren't going to "modify" their phone or spend time trying to make it better. They just want to use it. if they want something better, they'll just buy a newer phone.

A little change of subject here, but which is better? The new Apple A4 processor, or the Droid Snapdragon? I'm hearing very good things about the new A4 processor.

My plan is running out very soon and I'm tempted to stay with ATT again and get an Iphone again. I just don't know if I would want to give in to that GOD AWFUL new data plan that they require. I really want to go to Verizon and get the HTC Incredible.

[ADDirishboy]

I personally like snapdragon better, but Apple's is good too. Honestly, my BIGGEST problem with the iPhone is ATT. If Verizon had it, I would be tempted to buy it. But then I remember that I like having a physical keyboard and laugh at the iPhone.

[Empty V]

I'm no mac hater (in fact, I despise mac fanbois and mac haters with equal passion), but I get sick of hearing about how Apple has "revolutionized" this and that. No. They have not revolutionized how we communicate. They made a new piece of phone hardware. That's it. It doesn't change how I talk to people, text people, email people, videocall people, or anything. There's no "revolution" happening. Grab a dictionary and flip to the "R"s.

EVERY new product is "something none of us have seen before." That doesn't mean anything. Marketing jargon, buzzwords, bullsh*t.

I'd have a LOT more respect for iStuff if it wasn't constantly pitched (by both Apple and most of the rest of the world) as "revolutionary" or "groundbreaking" or "never seen before" and simply billed for what it is: a device the does what a lot of people need and makes doing those things simple. It's certainly a genius move, but NONE of those devices are remotely revolutionary. In fact, the very reason for their widespread success it that they're NOT revolutionary. They're quite tame, restrained, and very basic. Which makes them user-friendly and not scary. PalmOS and Android are for nerds. Apple's for "normal" people. The only revolution going on with iStuff is on the marketing end, not the product end.

I have no hatred for the iPhone. I just can't stand people throwing around the word "revolutionary" for a very average piece of hardware.

You completely missed the point. It's all about how widespread the technology will become, not how new it is. I guess I'll just keep repeating it for those who haven't read the posts.

[Empty V]

I'm not sure why you think people are going to video conference everywhere they go. That is a feature I would RARELY use. If I need to talk to somebody on the phone, I'll simply call them. Unless there is something specific they need to show me, I'm not using it.

Because it's there. Everyone I know that uses iChat with their MacBook or MacBook Pro uses the video conferencing and lots use the screen sharing. It's easier then texting and the conversation is much more real then an audio chat. Just like when we all had powerbooks back in the day and audio conferenced over iChat. If people have the technology they'll use it, plain and simple. Obviously video conferencing isn't always a good idea but for day to day normal conversations it would be an amazing tool.

The iPhone 4g is a phone. Nothing more.

I think we all know it's not just a phone. I wouldn't have control over my FTP server with it (amongst other things) if it was just a phone. If it was just a phone it would look like this:

[ADDirishboy]

I have the technology built into my MacBook. Wanna know how often I use it? Almost never. It's amusing to d!ck around with once in a while, but it looses it's charm FAST.