Apple did it again - iPhone 4

[Empty V]

Exactly... I just told him I meant nothing of it and his reply was "YEA? WELL I STILL WANT TO BE ANGRY ANYWAY!!!!"

I'm not angry in the least. I just wanted you to answer the original question, how is it not a business device. Your first answer was it was a carrier issue, your second was that your job doesn't afford for you to have one. I don't see how those are related to the device itself.

[Empty V]

The fact that you are acting like a 10 year old girl who just had a lollipop taken from her shows your amount of maturity in this situation.

I think you've just proven that you can't handle this topic. Time to grow up son.

[flohtingPoint]

Exactly... I just told him I meant nothing of it and his reply was "YEA? WELL I STILL WANT TO BE ANGRY ANYWAY!!!!"

I'm not angry in the least. I just wanted you to answer the original question, how is it not a business device. Your first answer was it was a carrier issue, your second was that your job doesn't afford for you to have one. I don't see how those are related to the device itself.

You're stil hung up on this? You're not Steve Jobs, you dont have to defend Apple. Anyway, I never said it wasn't a business device, I just said I needed a "more business oriented phone with an actual keyboard". You'd have known this if you weren't busy taking this whole thread personally and getting butthurt about everyone's comments...

[OriginalWheelman]

I know its easy enough, its the principle of the thing. The quicktime plugin for firefox is clunky and it tries to take over every possible video format, as well as changing a bunch of your settings when you install it. Not to mention trying to get it off your computer is near impossible. Ive gotten viruses that were easier to get rid of.

I refuse to instal quicktime on my comp for this reason. IF I have to use quicktime to see a vid, I don't watch it.

when it comes down to it they're all just a trio of cool toys, none of which I don't have any true need for. I do not dislike any of the products though, I just cannot find a reason to own them myself for the cost.

Double negative aside, you hit the nail on the head. Apple's devices are designed for and market to trend chasers, not functionality minded users.

And in come the haters.

And in comes the fanboy.

When you make claims like "revolutionary" when they are not true, and people correct you, and when people point out their own opinions on the device (none of which looks like HATE to me) the fanboy gets offended.

Tell me how often do you see people video conferencing on their phone? I've never seen it, not once.

Who needs to? I don't expect to see anyone doing it, unless they are sitting in starbucks video conferenceing SOLEY to show off "look what I can do and you can't therefore, I am superior".

Tell me how often do you think you'll be seeing it after this? You're going to see it wherever you've got WiFi i.e. airports, coffee shops, any school campus blah blah blah. Now tell me that's not revolutionary.

Aside from the situation I just mentioned, I don't expect to see it at all.

see what im doing here? i have zero experience with HTC phones, or anything android, so therefore my opinion on those is moot.

Yet you believe those users would switch to the iPhone after using yours for five minutes?

Oh please. Hardly anyone in business uses an iphone. The blackberry dominates the business world.

I'm not sure what business you're in but the industry I'm in (entertainment) is DOMINATED by the iPhone. Maybe you should step outside of your bubble and look around, it's an amazing world out here.

It's also dominated by trend chasing people more concerned with veneer than substance... hmmm....

My pont is that now you're going to see lots of people video conferencing everywhere, this IMO is a revolution and IS going to change how the general public communicates. It's amazing how everyone nit picks but no one has recognized this. This is the main reason why I'm so stoked on this. I think this is why apple is such a breakthrough company. They take amazing ideas to a global scale, wether it's their idea or not. There's lots I don't like about apple, but the iPhone does not fall into that category.

I think you're perception fo how much people are going to video conference is skewed. People don't even call people anymore, they just send texts cause it's easier. If you expect them to go through the trouble of connecting to WiFI just to video conference a 1 min phone call, I think you need to take another look. If the suer could just MAKE a video phone call w/o a WiFi network, then perhaps they would do it in place of a normal phone call, but TBH, it seems like a cool thing you do for 2 weeks cause you can, then ignore it cause its' a waste of time.

I have no hatred for the iPhone. I just can't stand people throwing around the word "revolutionary" for a very average piece of hardware.

Exactly, Apple calling their products revolutionary has a much basis in fact as when they call them "magic".

So sorry dude saying that if you contract for the govt you can't use and iPone is wrong. Also making it sound like my job is not important is just insulting, so go f*** yourself for that one.

He didn't say that, he said HIS contracts won't let him.

That's a big stretch to say entertainment industry is as important as the Department of Defense. Entertainment is a WANT not a NEED. Get over yourself.

[marlin29311]

The fact that you are acting like a 10 year old girl who just had a lollipop taken from her shows your amount of maturity in this situation.

I think you've just proven that you can't handle this topic. Time to grow up son.

On the contrary, the sheer volume of people aside from myself telling you the same thing shows your lack of ability to handle the situation. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

No one ever said the iPhone 4 was going to be a bad phone. It looks cool, and it builds upon a very succesful platform. But calling it revolutionary is simply asinine - there are several other devices that have been doing what the iPhone claims to be 'revolutionary' for a while now.

US culture is built off which marketing campaign wins....Apple wins this category vs most of the smartphone category. Doesn't make it a better device though.

[Empty V]

You're stil hung up on this? You're not Steve Jobs, you dont have to defend Apple. Anyway, I never said it wasn't a business device, I just said I needed a "more business oriented phone with an actual keyboard". You'd have known this if you weren't busy taking this whole thread personally and getting butthurt about everyone's comments...

There's a difference between being hung-up and getting a straight answer from you. So just to clarify according to you, a business oriented phone has to be on a network other then AT&T, available by your govt contracts, and have a physical keyboard. That's fine, it's all I was looking for.

[Empty V]

I'll humor you because you're somewhat entertaining. If defending your POV makes you a fanboi then anyone who has ever argued about anything is a fanboi for their own cause, so quit throwing it around like it's some kind of insult, you anti-fanboi.

Apple's devices are designed for and market to trend chasers, not functionality minded users.

You're right they serve no function at all for the technically inclined. everyone that has one is only concerned that everyone else sees them holding one.

And in comes the fanboy.

Maybe we should start a count on how many times that's said in this thread, or even your post.

When you make claims like "revolutionary" when they are not true, and people correct you, and when people point out their own opinions on the device (none of which looks like HATE to me) the fanboy gets offended.

I never got offended, I just offered my speculation. And again the fanboi comes in.

Who needs to? I don't expect to see anyone doing it, unless they are sitting in starbucks video conferenceing SOLEY to show off "look what I can do and you can't therefore, I am superior".

Again you're right, everyone who video conferences in public is doing it to get noticed. Not because they want to see the person on the other end.

Aside from the situation I just mentioned, I don't expect to see it at all.

And I expect to see it a lot, we'll all just wait and see.

Yet you believe those users would switch to the iPhone after using yours for five minutes?

This has happened to almost everyone that checked out my 1st iPhone. So yeah it happens, a lot.

It's also dominated by trend chasing people more concerned with veneer than substance... hmmm....

Again you express your opinion that everyone who has an iPhone buys one because it's trendy. This is why I say haters. Some people, like you, have got this retarded idea as to why someone would own a piece of technology.

I think you're perception fo how much people are going to video conference is skewed. People don't even call people anymore, they just send texts cause it's easier. If you expect them to go through the trouble of connecting to WiFI just to video conference a 1 min phone call, I think you need to take another look. If the suer could just MAKE a video phone call w/o a WiFi network, then perhaps they would do it in place of a normal phone call, but TBH, it seems like a cool thing you do for 2 weeks cause you can, then ignore it cause its' a waste of time.

Skewed? How do you skew a prediction? And all it is, is a prediction. Comparing video conferencing to texting is apples and oranges.

Exactly, Apple calling their products revolutionary has a much basis in fact as when they call them "magic".

You're right, the iPod did not revolutionize personal music players, and the iPhone did not revolutionize the cellphone market as far as multitouch technology goes.

That's a big stretch to say entertainment industry is as important as the Department of Defense. Entertainment is a WANT not a NEED. Get over yourself.[/quote]

Thank you for pointing that out, no go back and reread what was posted.

[Empty V]

I'm seeing a trend here.

1. A lot of people take posts out of context(which I'm guilty of that as well) and 2) for some reason most people that don't own an iPhone think of iPhone users and simple shallow individuals who buy them just so they can say they own one. This is completely and totally wrong and straight-up stereotyping. where do you guys get these ideas? Maybe it's a geographical thing because out here no one gives a s*** what phone you've got and no one pulls them out just to show off.

[RobPaulson]

[Jesda]

[Otto.]

[RobPaulson]

LOL that thing looks like michael bolton beating up a printer

[Jesda]

Waiting on iPad prices to drop. The want is strong. I just wish I could take it places (truck stop cafes, school, airports, etc) without looking like a douchebag. Then again, who cares what anyone thinks. I'M BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL

[AppleBonker]

for some reason most people that don't own an iPhone think of iPhone users and simple shallow individuals who buy them just so they can say they own one. This is completely and totally wrong and straight-up stereotyping. where do you guys get these ideas? Maybe it's a geographical thing because out here no one gives a s*** what phone you've got and no one pulls them out just to show off.

I dunno. I'm from the Chicago-land area, and I tend to think most iPhone users are simpletons. The more tech-savvy crowd around me has moved on to Android devices. My friends working in IT all have Android phones. My friends who frequently ask for computer help all have iPhones. Stereotyping? Maybe. But the only marginally savvy technical consumer I know with an Android phone is my father. I don't know that he would've bought an iPhone, but he was limited to Verizon so that is a tough call. Ah, just thought of something while I was typing. One of the smartest guys I know (who is also in IT) has an iPhone. Either way, my assessment generally holds true.

Fact is, people are usually buying the iPhone because it's the "in" thing to do, or because what it does do it can accomplish with minimal thinking. Personally, I have a problem with this no matter what the consumer is buying. I'm not sure why people don't actually research what TV would best suit them. Or what car. These are big purchases, and most people make them on a whim. And, sadly, most of the time it is more for them to show off to friends/family than to actually benefit them because they were too stupid (or whatever word you want to use) to actually do the research and buy the best option for them.

I complain because people have such strong opinions of Apple products and refuse to acknowledge a conflicting view, pro or con. Sure, my posts have been slanted one way for the iPhone, but I'm surely not taking it to any extreme. It's an excellent device, no doubt. But there are at least 5 others that I think are better, and in the next few weeks that number may increase. I've never said the phone sucks. But I will say that I will never buy the iPhone 4. Maybe a later generation? Sure. But not this one. Android, please.

[RobPaulson]

Waiting on iPad prices to drop. The want is strong. I just wish I could take it places (truck stop cafes, school, airports, etc) without looking like a douchebag. Then again, who cares what anyone thinks. I'M BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL

bawwwwwl'n.

[Empty V]

Waiting on iPad prices to drop. The want is strong. I just wish I could take it places (truck stop cafes, school, airports, etc) without looking like a douchebag. Then again, who cares what anyone thinks. I'M BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL

I haven't held one yet but from what I understand it's an amazing device. To be honest I've been a skeptic and haven't bought into the hype. I don't really see what the big deal is but like most of my experiences with apple, they're usually worth the hype.

[AppleBonker]

The iPad is generally not a good purchase. Probably a worse decision than the iPhone, tbh. The average buyer would be much, much, MUCH better off with a netbook. Or a laptop for that matter.

[OriginalWheelman]

I'll humor you because you're somewhat entertaining. If defending your POV makes you a fanboi then anyone who has ever argued about anything is a fanboi for their own cause, so quit throwing it around like it's some kind of insult, you anti-fanboi.

I didn't offer a position that I'm aware of other than speculation contrary to yours.

Apple's devices are designed for and market to trend chasers, not functionality minded users.

You're right they serve no function at all for the technically inclined. everyone that has one is only concerned that everyone else sees them holding one.

I never said they were not functional. Read again. I'm dyslexic and I appear to have better reading comprehension than you do. I said they were "designed for and marketed to"

And in comes the fanboy.

Maybe we should start a count on how many times that's said in this thread, or even your post.

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Maybe because of how often you act like one?

When you make claims like "revolutionary" when they are not true, and people correct you, and when people point out their own opinions on the device (none of which looks like HATE to me) the fanboy gets offended.

I never got offended, I just offered my speculation. And again the fanboi comes in.

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You sound awful offended in your posts. I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Who needs to? I don't expect to see anyone doing it, unless they are sitting in starbucks video conferenceing SOLEY to show off "look what I can do and you can't therefore, I am superior".

Again you're right, everyone who video conferences in public is doing it to get noticed. Not because they want to see the person on the other end.

It's because you can't video conference anywhere BUT public, or your house.

Yet you believe those users would switch to the iPhone after using yours for five minutes?

This has happened to almost everyone that checked out my 1st iPhone. So yeah it happens, a lot.

I was talking about that poster's hypocritical remarks, not making a argument one way or the other.

It's also dominated by trend chasing people more concerned with veneer than substance... hmmm....

Again you express your opinion that everyone who has an iPhone buys one because it's trendy. This is why I say haters. Some people, like you, have got this retarded idea as to why someone would own a piece of technology.

No I said that the Entertainment industry is the same demographic Apple markets their products to. You're getting offended cause it's you.

I think you're perception fo how much people are going to video conference is skewed. People don't even call people anymore, they just send texts cause it's easier. If you expect them to go through the trouble of connecting to WiFI just to video conference a 1 min phone call, I think you need to take another look. If the suer could just MAKE a video phone call w/o a WiFi network, then perhaps they would do it in place of a normal phone call, but TBH, it seems like a cool thing you do for 2 weeks cause you can, then ignore it cause its' a waste of time.

Skewed? How do you skew a prediction? And all it is, is a prediction. Comparing video conferencing to texting is apples and oranges.

I'm comparing video conferencing to NORMAL PHONE CALLS. I'm saying most times people would rather text something than make a call. I believe this will hold true with video calls as well.

Exactly, Apple calling their products revolutionary has a much basis in fact as when they call them "magic".

You're right, the iPod did not revolutionize personal music players, and the iPhone did not revolutionize the cellphone market as far as multitouch technology goes.

Your repeated sarcasm and contradictory positions without supporting evidence continue to reinforce my opinion that you are a fanboy and biased.

That's a big stretch to say entertainment industry is as important as the Department of Defense. Entertainment is a WANT not a NEED. Get over yourself.

Thank you for pointing that out, no go back and reread what was posted.

I did read. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. Why don't you go back and read.

I use a MotoVUZ204. I walked in and they tried to sell me several smart phones. I said "Give me a phone, I already have a computer." I don't feel the need to combine all this crap in my hand. I'm not so instant gratification minded that I need email / net / etc for personal use on the go, and I have no business use for it. I'm generally Anti-Apple, but it's because of their deceptive advertising. That ans when you look at the core statistics of it, Apple is nothing but the same thing everyone else can do in a stylish package.


Let me make a car analogy, Do you want to pay the extra money for leather, power seats, auto, traction control, climate control, disc changer, sat nav? It all adds up to a more user friendly car that doesn't let you do all the cool stuff, but lets you do the simple things simply and more comfortably. Apple is the same way for computers. People that "commute", email, messaging, surfing, streaming videos are fine with really anything. Apple puts the leather and all that style on it, and to them, it's worth it. If your a "car person" you go get an S14, with out the seats, buff the suspension, turbo the engine and rip up. These are generally gamers and overclockers. To them, all the simplicity and user error prevention of the Mac are a hindrance and a frustration, like FWD, or an auto. You can get over these things, as you can with the mac, but it take know how and generally more work.

[Razi]

Overgrown iPod touch = amazing device
lol wut

[Empty V]

Fact is, people are usually buying the iPhone because it's the "in" thing to do, or because what it does do it can accomplish with minimal thinking. Personally, I have a problem with this no matter what the consumer is buying. I'm not sure why people don't actually research what TV would best suit them. Or what car. These are big purchases, and most people make them on a whim. And, sadly, most of the time it is more for them to show off to friends/family than to actually benefit them because they were too stupid (or whatever word you want to use) to actually do the research and buy the best option for them.

I complain because people have such strong opinions of Apple products and refuse to acknowledge a conflicting view, pro or con. Sure, my posts have been slanted one way for the iPhone, but I'm surely not taking it to any extreme. It's an excellent device, no doubt. But there are at least 5 others that I think are better, and in the next few weeks that number may increase. I've never said the phone sucks. But I will say that I will never buy the iPhone 4. Maybe a later generation? Sure. But not this one. Android, please.

See I don't find that to be the case. The people I know bought them because they truly like the device, such as myself. A lot of apple users get defensive simply because they're usually getting attacked. There are a lot of elitist apple users out there too, just like there lots of elitist PC users. Their comps just aren't as pretty

[Empty V]

Overgrown iPod touch = amazing device
lol wut

That's what i figure but most people that try it fall in love with it. They say it's one of those "you have no idea until you try it" deals. But I didn't say that because I'm a die hard fanboi.

[AppleBonker]

I never said the simple folks dislike the device, or bought it to be cool. They bought it because they thought it was easy to use. Apple nailed that part of their gear. It is easy to use. I will give them credit for their computers and laptops. Those can get fairly complicated for the average user. I get it. But in the process of making the phone simple they really crippled the functionality. It just seems Steve pays more attention to making it easy and attractive than functional. In my mind, function wins over form any day.

[Jesda]

The iPad is generally not a good purchase. Probably a worse decision than the iPhone, tbh. The average buyer would be much, much, MUCH better off with a netbook. Or a laptop for that matter.

Netbooks get the job done, but iPad does it with finesse. Frankly, its a lot of fun to play with. I might even read more books if I owned one since the battery will do 9-10 hours. One thing I hate about books on paper is having to hold the damn book open. The form factor and software makes interacting with information completely different. I'd buy one for $500 right now if I could find a polished RDP client to use it to connect to the print/ship server.

I'd say the average user would enjoy themselves more with an iPad while more specialized users need a netbook for certain applications.

[Jesda]

In my mind, function wins over form any day.

Same here, which is why I decided to wait a year before trying Android again. It does so much, without doing any of it as well as more focused mobile devices like iPhone and Blackberry.

Function isn't being able to do 10,000 things. Its being able to do the things you need with ease.

[AppleBonker]

Netbooks get the job done, but iPad does it with finesse.

Depends on what the job is. My netbook can easily accomplish more than an iPad.

I might even read more books if I owned one since the battery will do 9-10 hours.

Maybe, but that thing is heavier than it looks. It really should be a product that is tested heavily before using. In this case, the iPad is still definitely better than a netbook. A netbook would be tough to read an e-book on.

I'd say the average user would enjoy themselves more with an iPad while more specialized users need a netbook for certain applications.

Enjoy? Maybe. But, they would lose functionality doing so. No flash still kills quite a few websites today (I know it's a played out arguement, but it's valid). For pure browsing a netbook wins (flash plus better tabbed browsing). The iPad is purchased purely for form-factor and the "ooh"-factor.

Function isn't being able to do 10,000 things. Its being able to do the things you need with ease.

Purely personal preference, but I like tweaking my computers. I would feel more than comfortable screwing around with an Android phone until it functioned the way I wanted it to.

Edit: thanks Ry!

[93coupe]

My netbook can easily accomplish more than a netbook

[Empty V]

You sound awful offended in your posts. I'm not the only one who thinks so.

No sir you sound awful

It's because you can't video conference anywhere BUT public, or your house.

Can you clarify this because I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

I was talking about that poster's hypocritical remarks, not making a argument one way or the other.

You're inferring that no one would switch to an iPhone after using one for 5min. I replied with the fact that I know lots of people that have. No argument just my experiences.

No I said that the Entertainment industry is the same demographic Apple markets their products to. You're getting offended cause it's you.

The entertainment industry is extremely small. If apple strictly focused on them they'd be out of business. So how is that their demographic? Is is because people dance in their commercials? Again I'm not getting offended, just giving my perspective and trying to understand yours. If you're not used to people replying to your statements and take that as getting defensive then the intrawebz is not for you. FYI Apple markets to the general public, they want to sell as many units as possible. your statement above is ridiculous.

Your repeated sarcasm and contradictory positions without supporting evidence continue to reinforce my opinion that you are a fanboy and biased.

Sarcastic, yes. Now show me where I've expressed contradictory positions.

I did read. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. Why don't you go back and read.

I did and I didn't see that I posted anywhere that the entertainment industry is more important then the DoD. I stated that I've got another job involved with the military and DoD and my iPhone does not hinder my business performance one bit. If you went back a reread 3 or 4 more times it would probably finally hit. But you didn't so you posted the above.

I'm not so instant gratification minded that I need email / net / etc for personal use on the go, and I have no business use for it.

Then how do you expect to present an intelligent and fresh perspective on the subject if you have no experience with it?

I'm generally Anti-Apple, but it's because of their deceptive advertising. That ans when you look at the core statistics of it, Apple is nothing but the same thing everyone else can do in a stylish package.

What is deceptive about their advertising? At least you admit their gear is stylish, that doesn't sound anti-apple to me. I think we got a convert in the making!

Let me make a car analogy, Do you want to pay the extra money for leather, power seats, auto, traction control, climate control, disc changer, sat nav? It all adds up to a more user friendly car that doesn't let you do all the cool stuff, but lets you do the simple things simply and more comfortably. Apple is the same way for computers. People that "commute", email, messaging, surfing, streaming videos are fine with really anything. Apple puts the leather and all that style on it, and to them, it's worth it. If your a "car person" you go get an S14, with out the seats, buff the suspension, turbo the engine and rip up. These are generally gamers and overclockers. To them, all the simplicity and user error prevention of the Mac are a hindrance and a frustration, like FWD, or an auto. You can get over these things, as you can with the mac, but it take know how and generally more work.

I'm sorry dude but IMO this is a really bad analogy. Comparing the iPhone to a car interior just doesn't work. You're obviously arguing just to argue, but it's kind of fun. Let's play more!

[Empty V]

Enjoy? Maybe. But, they would lose functionality doing so. No flash still kills quite a few websites today (I know it's a played out arguement, but it's valid). For pure browsing a netbook wins (flash plus better tabbed browsing). The iPad is purchased purely for form-factor and the "ooh"-factor.

Does BB support flash? I honestly have no idea. I was on a site the other day that was strictly flash and they had a thing up stating an iPhone version is on it's way. It was actually really funny because they said something like "not iPhone compatible, are you kidding me?" I think because of the massive share the iPhone has in the market lots of sites will have an iPhone version. I get a lot of calls from people in all sorts of industries needing help converting video to M4V's for their sites. I think web designers will constantly be adapting to whatever browsing technology/limitations are out there. No one wants to limit who can see their site. It's unfortunate NICO hasn't implemented something like this. At least not that I've noticed.

[Jesda]

Purely personal preference, but I like tweaking my computers. I would feel more than comfortable screwing around with an Android phone until it functioned the way I wanted it to.

Edit: thanks Ry!

That's why iPad is a consumer good. I absolutely hated having to tweak Android to get it to do things the way I wanted, and even after downloading a utility to remedy every idiotic thing it didn't do correctly out of the box, it was still a bit crude. Its nice that I could do so many things and make so many adjustments, but spending an entire night d!ck with my phone wasn't the experience I hoped for. Buying a new Blackberry was easy -- plug it into the Mac, sync all my info, and that's it. No screwing with it, no changes needed.

I used to have fun building PCs in the 90s, but it isnt interesting anymore since they've become cheap commodities. Buying a computer is like buying broccoli. Its not fun anymore, and since the hobby died down, my end-game is no longer building the ultimate entertainment PC or making my phone achieve amazing things I'll never actually use.

Outside of RIM, the modern smartphone market targets consumers -- and I mean literally consumers. People who receive and consume information, entertainment, and social media. Someone who buys a Droid or an Evo doesn't want to tweak it. 90% of users leave it with the default settings in tact, other than a few downloaded applications. Most people don't even change their ringer. Why? Because they don't need or want to.

Most netbooks purchased by consumers are used for music and browsing. They get used on the toilet, left next to the couch, or taken to coffee shops or to school. The iPad takes the place of a lot of that and does those two things in a more enjoyable way. I don't think business travelers would seriously consider one, nor hobbyists.

You are the hobbyist. They are the end user that all the design, engineering, and marketing wants to satisfy. Some people are into fishing, cars, or woodworking. Not everyone wants to become intimately involved with the inner workings of their technology. Its a very different and very mature high-tech landscape now. Early adopters are no longer just the technophiles who read ArsTechnica and Toms Hardware.

[Jesda]

Enjoy? Maybe. But, they would lose functionality doing so. No flash still kills quite a few websites today (I know it's a played out arguement, but it's valid). For pure browsing a netbook wins (flash plus better tabbed browsing). The iPad is purchased purely for form-factor and the "ooh"-factor.

Does BB support flash? I honestly have no idea. I was on a site the other day that was strictly flash and they had a thing up stating an iPhone version is on it's way. It was actually really funny because they said something like "not iPhone compatible, are you kidding me?" I think because of the massive share the iPhone has in the market lots of sites will have an iPhone version. I get a lot of calls from people in all sorts of industries needing help converting video to M4V's for their sites. I think web designers will constantly be adapting to whatever browsing technology/limitations are out there. No one wants to limit who can see their site. It's unfortunate NICO hasn't implemented something like this. At least not that I've noticed.

I dont believe so. The Storm is RIM's touch screen answer to iPhone, and while there have been promises by RIM to bring Flash to BB, it hasn't happened. I have a traditional Blackberry with a keyboard and all of my browsing is performed in a rudimentary way with Opera Mini.