Apple did it again - iPhone 4

[Empty V]

I dont believe so. The Storm is RIM's touch screen answer to iPhone, and while there have been promises by RIM to bring Flash to BB, it hasn't happened. I have a traditional Blackberry with a keyboard and all of my browsing is performed in a rudimentary way with Opera Mini.

Before my iPhone I had a Treo 700P and the browsing was probably close to the same. From what I understand despite the lack of flash the iPhone has one of the best browsers. That's just what I hear from others, my experience is limited to the aforementioned. OriginalWheelman, that means what was previously mentioned.

EDIT: I'm not stating this to boast, I'm just comparing it to the Treo. I guess that makes me a fanboi too.

[OriginalWheelman]

I was talking about that poster's hypocritical remarks, not making a argument one way or the other.

You're inferring that no one would switch to an iPhone after using one for 5min. I replied with the fact that I know lots of people that have. No argument just my experiences.

I'm not even reading the rest of this, you're obviously an idiot. I inferred nothing. You're reading what you want to read out of it. He said that he had never used the other phones but he bets that after 5 mins of using his people would switch. He has no frame of reference to offer an comparison. That's why I made that post. you had nothing to do with it, and I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

When people have provided you facts you downplay them as irrelevant, when people call you a fanboy, you go "No you're a fanboy." in more elaborate words. Doesn't change the fact that it's a 1st grade argument. You're not even reading what people are saying, just running off at the mouth. Have fun when Apple releases the IPhone 4g in 6 months and the IPhone 5 next year. I'm sure you'll get all happy in your pants again.

[Jesda]

I should be listening to the lecture tonight instead of browsing NICO. I have a 110% in this music class so I guess I can slack off.


Anyway, someone mentioned carrier choice not being an impediment to the iPhone. There is, however, one situation where it could keep customers away. Large firms tend to choose a single carrier and maintain a corporate account. It saves money and makes it easier to manage services and costs. So, if a company is tied into VZ or Sprint, they won't choose the iPhone, period.

[Empty V]

I'm not even reading the rest of this,

That's one way to get out of attempting to say something intelligent.

you're obviously an idiot.

Obviously. I think most here would agree.

When people have provided you facts you downplay them as irrelevant, when people call you a fanboy, you go "No you're a fanboy." in more elaborate words. Doesn't change the fact that it's a 1st grade argument. You're not even reading what people are saying, just running off at the mouth. Have fun when Apple releases the IPhone 4g in 6 months and the IPhone 5 next year. I'm sure you'll get all happy in your pants again.

What facts have I downplayed as irrelevant? Yes, when people call me a name, I call them a name. It's what people do when they don't have anything intelligent to say, like grade schoolers. Wait didn't you just call me a name?

It's amazing how quick people crack when they're questioned about their comments.

Stage 1: Throw a temper tantrum - check
Stage 2: commence childish name calling - check
Stage 3: Make a broad reference to other's non existing opinions to support your own lack of intellect - check

BTW the iPhone 4 comes out in less than 3 weeks, not 5 months. But you wouldn't know that because you're not a smart phone user, but for some reason still posting in a thread that is all about smart phones.

[Jesda]

I GUESS NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT MOBILE TECHNOLOGY ANYMORE

YALL MAD

GULATI, OUT

[HashiriyaS14]

This thread has degenerated into madness.




At any rate, not EVERY iPad buyer would be better served by a netbook. Netbooks aren't necessarily the best at some things just due to the tablet form factor.

I want an iPad (once they have better MS Office compatibility) so I can take it into meetings instead of a laptop or a stack of papers. It's easier to pass around than a netbook/laptop is, and some things are easier to manipulate via touchscreen than via keyboard.

I'm not saying that it's better for EVERYONE, and it's definitely not a PC stand-in, but it'd be nice in some situations. I want one, but I'll wait a couple versions like I did with the iPhone.

[PoorManQ45]

Stayed out for awhile. Not much to say here.

You're stil hung up on this? You're not Steve Jobs, you dont have to defend Apple. Anyway, I never said it wasn't a business device, I just said I needed a "more business oriented phone with an actual keyboard". You'd have known this if you weren't busy taking this whole thread personally and getting butthurt about everyone's comments...

That argument is not valid. IIRC the current world speed record for texting and typing on a cellphone was on an Android device using the virtual swype keyboard.

I will say that iPhones are pretty. I like the idea of the higher resolution screen. I just wonder how useful that resolution is on such a small screen.

[flohtingPoint]

edit, accidental double post

[flohtingPoint]

Stayed out for awhile. Not much to say here.

You're stil hung up on this? You're not Steve Jobs, you dont have to defend Apple. Anyway, I never said it wasn't a business device, I just said I needed a "more business oriented phone with an actual keyboard". You'd have known this if you weren't busy taking this whole thread personally and getting butthurt about everyone's comments...

That argument is not valid. IIRC the current world speed record for texting and typing on a cellphone was on an Android device using the virtual swype keyboard.

What argument? I was stating my needs as an engineer, not debating.

A virtual keyboard is worthless to me. I cant be fiddling with a touch screen that can go out of calibration or fail completely. I need solid accessibility. If one key goes out I can deal with that, if a touch screen stops responding I cant work around that and my phone is my lifeline when I'm in the field. Even on my personal time a touch screen is trash to me, as I spend a ton of time in the shop working on my race cars or my shifter kart and I have gloves on during this time.

[skydragoness]

My netbook can easily accomplish more than a netbook

THREAD WINNAR

[ADDirishboy]

This thread sucks. Really.

[Joe]

almost as bad as the iphone fanboys suck on apples d!ck

HIOOOOO

more overpriced trash from apple people will eat up.

[GrilledCheese33]

[MinisterofDOOM]

That's why iPad is a consumer good. I absolutely hated having to tweak Android to get it to do things the way I wanted, and even after downloading a utility to remedy every idiotic thing it didn't do correctly out of the box, it was still a bit crude.

I hope I'm not coming across as the Android version of Empty V, but it's not quite that simple. If it was down to a choice between a device that just does what you want, and a device that needs tweaking to do what you want, I could absolutely see your point. But for many people that's the case. For many the decision is between a device that doesn't do what they want, or a device that needs some tweaking to do what they want. It's just like desktop operating systems: none are perfect, but some do more of what I want than others.

So, basically, again, we arrive at the obvious conclusion: If iOS does what you need, it's ideal for you. If not, you have to look elsewhere.

On the subject of mobile operating systems...I'm waiting for someone to make a PalmOS 5 emulator for Android. I want to waste hours on Space Trader like I did back in high school.

[Pwnin O'Brien]

All I know is that the battery on my HTC Incredible blows. I can't even go 14 hours with regular use without needing to be charged.

[ADDirishboy]

All I know is that the battery on my HTC Incredible blows. I can't even go 14 hours with regular use without needing to be charged.

My Droid blows on battery life as well. Eh, I just keep a charger at work and one in my bedroom. Never died on me.

[MinisterofDOOM]

All I know is that the battery on my HTC Incredible blows. I can't even go 14 hours with regular use without needing to be charged.

Not the most ideal solution, but better than nothing:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/index.php?disp ... uct_id=819

[Pwnin O'Brien]

All I know is that the battery on my HTC Incredible blows. I can't even go 14 hours with regular use without needing to be charged.

Not the most ideal solution, but better than nothing:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/index.php?disp ... uct_id=819

Daaaaaaammmnnnn, that's one pricey battery! That thing is the price of a laptop battery!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Yeah, you can probably find it a lot cheaper elsewhere...I just posted the first link I found.

[f1seb]

Empty and this thread has convinced me to never own an Apple product for the rest of my life.......except that stupid mp3 player that I have to have cause my car only supports it, but once it dies (and it will cause of that "revolutionary battery design") I'm going back to cd's!!!

[IBCoupe]

Their comps just aren't as pretty

I think that's a pretty central problem with much of Apple's product line, and maybe this is less meaningful coming from an ugly person, but maybe there ought to be more to a product than its looks? If I'm going to go with something that's got a much smaller market share (talking about Mac PCs right now, not Apple products in general) and arguably less product support (including aftermarket support), there probably should be something more than "it's the same but prettier" going for that product.

And you were probably just joking, but honestly, if you're buying a personal computer, what kind of douchebag actually worries about what it looks like? Except for maybe the first two weeks, you're looking solely at the monitor, or you're doing it wrong. The perhaps facetious comment you threw on there speaks mountains as to the "Look at me! Look at me!" attitutude that has been projected onto Apple's target user, specifically on this forum.

And maybe it's just that you like technology, and having a nice-looking piece of it is important to you. That's fair. Some people juggle geese.

But know that it's not doing anything for your argument unless you actually say it. Otherwise, we're left to our own interpretations, and I'll be that we're not as generous.

[numbnuts240]

Some people juggle geese.

woah, woah, woah. you people are arguing phones when there are actually people who juggle geese? where do i find these people? and do they give lessons?

the only things i know about iphones:
1. i don't have one
2. it's only on at&t, the reason i will never have one
3. mark owns one and i make fun of him for it
4. gerry hates his
5. most people who have them, that i've met, ALWAYS make sure to keep reminding you that they have one. ex (these are actual exchanges):
-hey, what's the name of that female smurf?
-hmm, idk, let me look it up on my IPHONE!!!!
-why don't you just say "phone"?

-where are we going to eat tonight?
-idk, what are you in the mood for?
-this is your hood, what's around here?
-wait, i can look it up on my IPHONE!!!!!!
-you're stupid.

[ProudNissanFreak]

^ Troof. Kid in graphics arts last semester did that all the time.

[marlin29311]

Enjoy? Maybe. But, they would lose functionality doing so. No flash still kills quite a few websites today (I know it's a played out arguement, but it's valid). For pure browsing a netbook wins (flash plus better tabbed browsing). The iPad is purchased purely for form-factor and the "ooh"-factor.

Does BB support flash? I honestly have no idea. I was on a site the other day that was strictly flash and they had a thing up stating an iPhone version is on it's way. It was actually really funny because they said something like "not iPhone compatible, are you kidding me?" I think because of the massive share the iPhone has in the market lots of sites will have an iPhone version. I get a lot of calls from people in all sorts of industries needing help converting video to M4V's for their sites. I think web designers will constantly be adapting to whatever browsing technology/limitations are out there. No one wants to limit who can see their site. It's unfortunate NICO hasn't implemented something like this. At least not that I've noticed.

There are supposed to be iterations of Flash 10 coming to both RIM and Android phones around the 3/4th quarter this year (and by supposed to, it's been announced, but no hard date). iPhone is not getting a flash product, as Go...er, Steve Jobs is in a pissing match with Adobe, and says Apple's mobile devices will only support HTML5. WinMo, IIRC, has flash already, or at least a version of it.

[numbnuts240]

lou, stop being such a hater.

[MinisterofDOOM]

WinMo, IIRC, has flash already, or at least a version of it.

Correct...sort of. WinMo has Flash LITE. But RIM and Android will be getting Flash 10.1, which will be the same as 10.1 for desktop machines. The latest version of Flash lite only supports content based on Flash 8 and older.

Windows Phone 7 is supposed to get Flash 10.1 support as well. But as I said before, Windows Phone 7 looks like it's going to suck pretty hard. It'll be a COMPLETE reversal in design philosophy compared to WinMo 6.

[RobPaulson]

That's why iPad is a consumer good. I absolutely hated having to tweak Android to get it to do things the way I wanted, and even after downloading a utility to remedy every idiotic thing it didn't do correctly out of the box, it was still a bit crude.

This is a bit old now, but Jesda, you honestly can not judge the current state of the android OS from your experience with a dinosaur of a HTC device. Its like using a middle-grade PC (when purchased) from 2 years ago to try to play the top end graphics game of today, its just not right. (or . . . LOL . . . like judging the iphone OS off of a first generation iphone ha).

play around with an EVO, incredible, N1, or DROID. then make a decision about the android OS. If you checked out my N1 with FroYo on it right now, you would not even be able to compare it to your experience with the device you tried.

[AppleBonker]

You are the hobbyist. They are the end user that all the design, engineering, and marketing wants to satisfy. Some people are into fishing, cars, or woodworking. Not everyone wants to become intimately involved with the inner workings of their technology. Its a very different and very mature high-tech landscape now. Early adopters are no longer just the technophiles who read ArsTechnica and Toms Hardware.

I understand exactly what you're saying, but this scares me considerably. I totally get the purpose of the iPhone. It does most of what anyone would want and does it simply. What frightens me is that people will gladly give up their options to buy a device that is so simple. "As long as it's easy, I'll only do what Steve Jobs tells me to". I don't know about you, but I kind of like to think for myself. Fewer and fewer people today seem to care about forming their own opinions, or actually learning anything. That is exactly why I'm finding it harder and harder to talk to my fellow citizens these days; most just rely on spewing out 30 second sound clips they heard on CNN. Forgot the context and the bias, if some news source states something it must be fact. I just want people to not care solely about what is "easy". How about what is right?

Most netbooks purchased by consumers are used for music and browsing. They get used on the toilet, left next to the couch, or taken to coffee shops or to school. The iPad takes the place of a lot of that and does those two things in a more enjoyable way. I don't think business travelers would seriously consider one, nor hobbyists.

Again, going to have to disagree. When it comes to web browsing, the netbook is definitely more capable. Tabs and flash both make the netbook more usable. And you mentioned music, as of right now, not if you're browsing. No multitasking is a bit of a drawback as well. IMO, the benefit of the iPad is in the following:

Speed to look something up/read email (with the device near a couch this will be a faster method of searching something or reading an email quickly and should be faster than a netbook)
Form-factor (compared to the netbook it is smaller, lighter and more attractive)
As an e-book/magazine reader (much easier than using a netbook/laptop)

Maybe I'm missing something, but off the top of my head those are the main benefits for owning the iPad. That is one expensive device to fill those limited needs.

[marlin29311]

You can't listen to music and surf the web on the iPad? WTF? You can do that on the iPod Touch...

[AppleBonker]

Maybe you can. I guess I never tried. But I know pandora is out... I have too much music to transfer to even a 64 gig device. It would take me far too long to narrow it down to what items to transfer over and which to neglect.