93hatch240 n/a ka dyno

[Bigvinnie]

any ideas what the settings would be on a safc neo for the e60maf? I have to go to the apexi forum and ask around.

I would ask in the forum I really don't know the answer to that.

[93HATCH240]

Alright thanks

[neverlift]

sneaky pete ftw I know him lol

NIB new in box sorry I get tired of typing sometimes. you should gain a few with the afc,too rich is well too rich. unless your like vin and just add gobbs of timing. what did you say it was like 32?

[93HATCH240]

sneaky pete ftw I know him lol

NIB new in box sorry I get tired of typing sometimes. you should gain a few with the afc,too rich is well too rich. unless your like vin and just add gobbs of timing. what did you say it was like 32?

lol I honestly have no idea where my timing is set. I'm gonna advance it when i get it set but idk how much to. Ill probly go 32 degrees for the hell of it. If that doesnt work ill mess around with the neo sum more. I was having a problem with sneeky pete. The 30 shot nozzle was doing jack $hit for me so I took the nozzle off and shoved the hose through my intake and oh boy did it pull hard. i hit it and almost instant pulled a car and a half on my friend. As i passed his face was like .lol

[neverlift]

well start somewhat conservitive with your timing, it can kill your engine.

what do you geusstimate the shot without nozzle to be? 60ishmmm sneaky

[93HATCH240]

well start somewhat conservitive with your timing, it can kill your engine.

what do you geusstimate the shot without nozzle to be? 60ishmmm sneaky

A 60 sound about right but the you only felt it when the bottle was completely full. Once it got like half empty its like it was on complete E and did absolutely nothing for me.

[Bigvinnie]

sneaky pete ftw I know him lol

NIB new in box sorry I get tired of typing sometimes. you should gain a few with the afc,too rich is well too rich. unless your like vin and just add gobbs of timing. what did you say it was like 32?

Mine is at 32 degress and I added fuel across the entire rev range. Anywhere from 2% to 4% in the rev range where ever the wideband ratio's would need more fuel...If you leave timing stock at 20 you can actually lean out a bit.

[neverlift]

sorry vin I just know your an afc G

[Bigvinnie]

sorry vin I just know your an afc G

I was experimenting with biki and I wasnt to happy with many of the features. It seems that it is still in it's infancy and I have problems trying to adjust settings with it so when in doubt back to basics with the SAFC. I don't have problems with the SAFC and it is ready to tune without having to disconnect the unit or having the hassle of plugging in a LAPTOP. For N/A tunning it's fine although I can argue it would be better if it could adjust timing as well.Living in a smog state as well I can just run settings back to 0, and hide it in the glove box when I take it in for smog, it's really just more for convenience more than anything.

[93HATCH240]

Mine is at 32 degress and I added fuel across the entire rev range. Anywhere from 2% to 4% in the rev range where ever the wideband ratio's would need more fuel...If you leave timing stock at 20 you can actually lean out a bit.

Where would you suggest I set my timing to considering my mods and all? I've had it all the way advanced b4 with no safc so nothing to tune it. Right now its somewhat close to stock until i get ahold of a timing light.

[93HATCH240]

A lil. update. The S13 cams are now installed. It feels a lot better the it did. The power doesn't fall off after 5000rpms like it did. According to the butt dyno it pulls a lot harder to redline. Within the next few days the maf should be installed and neo should be dyno tuned.

[neverlift]

way to stick to it...

told you the right cam ecu combo is important on stock tunes.

you seem like a comptent person in diy and test, you should give a run at cam tuning... its cheap and you can pick up a few more(and more where you want it), many choices with that stuff, get ahold of djpantspecr's thread about it, big vin can chime in too IIRC,I really cant and should not(have not got around to it and boost is at my fingertips, litteraly next week), so I wont suggest anything. No real dyno's on it, so nobody knows, but seeing your trying to push n/a ka up a level...... thought I would throw that at yah keep this up regardless of your path.

[Bigvinnie]

Good to know that the advice works...

A lil. update. The S13 cams are now installed. It feels a lot better the it did. The power doesn't fall off after 5000rpms like it did. According to the butt dyno it pulls a lot harder to redline. Within the next few days the maf should be installed and neo should be dyno tuned.

You should be pulling much harder than you would of with the old s13 KA engine since you no longer have SCV's either. This will significantly increase the top end...Did you find out the SAFC NEO setting's using the E60MAF?

[WWJD]

Bigvinnie where could I go to read what you've done to your ride? I'd like to see what a fellow bay area persons done to there whip

[93HATCH240]

Good to know that the advice works...

You should be pulling much harder than you would of with the old s13 KA engine since you no longer have SCV's either. This will significantly increase the top end...Did you find out the SAFC NEO setting's using the E60MAF?

Still havent found the settings granted i havent done to much searching cuz ive been busy. With just the maf hooked up the car will run but will run like $hit. So I was gonna install the maf then go straight to dyno tuning it. The SCV'S are still installed but im hoping to get rid of them soon to free up sum hp.

[Sqwibbs]

Why don't you install the maf after you get to the dyno shop...

[93HATCH240]

Why don't you install the maf after you get to the dyno shop...

I dont wannt be sitting in the parking lot cutting and splicing wires. But as of now the maf isn't going in.

[93HATCH240]

EDITED. New dyno sheet with tuned NEO, s13 cams and set timing. I'm lost. The first few pulls the guy did as a base he was getting 140whp idr the tq. I lost 9whp and 5tq at the wheels. Im probly gonna put my s14 cams back in or mess around with a diff. cam combo.

[Bigvinnie]

EDITED. New dyno sheet with tuned NEO, s13 cams and set timing. I'm lost. The first few pulls the guy did as a base he was getting 140whp idr the tq. I lost 9whp and 5tq at the wheels. Im probly gonna put my s14 cams back in or mess around with a diff. cam combo.

Actually it seems that they fubbared big time on that first dyno of yours from the first page.....If you are using SCV's which I don't know how you would be with a 95 engine, it seems pretty accurate... What Octane did you use?? What did you set your timing at?

[93HATCH240]

Actually it seems that they fubbared big time on that first dyno of yours from the first page.....If you are using SCV's which I don't know how you would be with a 95 engine, it seems pretty accurate... What Octane did you use?? What did you set your timing at?

What do you mean they fubbared big time? I'm using 93 octane and always have been. My timing is at 32 degrees for the first run i did and this last run also.

[Bigvinnie]

What do you mean they fubbared big time? I'm using 93 octane and always have been. My timing is at 32 degrees for the first run i did and this last run also.

What were your A/F r's for these runs? What was your timing on the first dyno on the first page...First yopu said you didn't know then you said it was close to stock and then needed a timing light. I'm wondering where your A/Fr's are set at and did you try timing at 20 before advancing on the dyno?

[93HATCH240]

What were your A/F r's for these runs? What was your timing on the first dyno on the first page...First yopu said you didn't know then you said it was close to stock and then needed a timing light. I'm wondering where your A/Fr's are set at and did you try timing at 20 before advancing on the dyno?

Im not sure of the a/f. The map graph on the neo indicates i was running extremely extremely rich. The first run my timing was at 32 degrees. I thought it was close to stock because of the position of the dist. b4 i messed with it but i was wrong. I had a timing light last night and put the timing to 20 degrees and it felt like complete CRAP. The car didnt want to move at all. I had my friend test drive it and he said the same thing. We put the timing back to 32 degrees and it felt 10X's better. Nothing has changed since the 1st dyno run besides the s13 cams being installed. So I am clueless as to why i'd lose 14whp/10ft. tq b4 the neo was tuned. Then as you see the tuned neo got me to 147whp/165tq. It feels faster now with less power i'm guessing because of the different powerband.

[Bigvinnie]

Im not sure of the a/f. The map graph on the neo indicates i was running extremely extremely rich. The first run my timing was at 32 degrees. I thought it was close to stock because of the position of the dist. b4 i messed with it but i was wrong. I had a timing light last night and put the timing to 20 degrees and it felt like complete CRAP. The car didnt want to move at all. I had my friend test drive it and he said the same thing. We put the timing back to 32 degrees and it felt 10X's better. Nothing has changed since the 1st dyno run besides the s13 cams being installed. So I am clueless as to why i'd lose 14whp/10ft. tq b4 the neo was tuned. Then as you see the tuned neo got me to 147whp/165tq. It feels faster now with less power i'm guessing because of the different powerband.

well I'm just asking because you should of used a wideband on the dyno to fine tune it. That way you can run close to or between an 12.9:1-13.2:1 with that type of advancing.

[93HATCH240]

well I'm just asking because you should of used a wideband on the dyno to fine tune it. That way you can run close to or between an 12.9:1-13.2:1 with that type of advancing.

He had it hooked up to a wideband and was playing with the a/f ratios. I'm gonna give them a call today and get a hold of my a/f sheet. The car is faster now then it was b4 with the s14 cams and more whp. My friends 240 used to leave me looking stupid but now hes only got me by a car and half. I'm deff. liking this new powerband.

[Bigvinnie]

He had it hooked up to a wideband and was playing with the a/f ratios. I'm gonna give them a call today and get a hold of my a/f sheet. The car is faster now then it was b4 with the s14 cams and more whp. My friends 240 used to leave me looking stupid but now hes only got me by a car and half. I'm deff. liking this new powerband.

Thats definitely a weird scenario for you. I honestly don't think it's the cams. I use the 240/248 and I know others with the s14 motor that use the 240/248. I will probably have a dyno myself shortly that we will compare for reference as I am testing the differences of a ported and honed mani without scv's. I really think it has to do with the timing and A/Fr's, but if you claim that the 232/232 cams with advanced distributor as well to 32BTDC something is wrong with the cams..

[93HATCH240]

Thats definitely a weird scenario for you. I honestly don't think it's the cams. I use the 240/248 and I know others with the s14 motor that use the 240/248. I will probably have a dyno myself shortly that we will compare for reference as I am testing the differences of a ported and honed mani without scv's. I really think it has to do with the timing and A/Fr's, but if you claim that the 232/232 cams with advanced distributor as well to 32BTDC something is wrong with the cams..

The cams came off my old motor with over 220k miles. They were installed by my friends friend who has been and still is a nissan mechanic for 25yrs. so he knows what hes doing. I doubt they are a tooth off cuz im still making power and the car is noticable faster. When i change the valve cover gasket in a few days ill put the motor at tdc an take a pic so you can see for yourself.

[Bigvinnie]

The cams came off my old motor with over 220k miles. They were installed by my friends friend who has been and still is a nissan mechanic for 25yrs. so he knows what hes doing. I doubt they are a tooth off cuz im still making power and the car is noticable faster. When i change the valve cover gasket in a few days ill put the motor at tdc an take a pic so you can see for yourself.

Well either those 220,000mile cams aren't good anymore or the dyno with the 232/232 combo is wrong...... I'm not blaming anything on you mechanic friend.

[93HATCH240]

Well either those 220,000mile cams aren't good anymore or the dyno with the 232/232 combo is wrong...... I'm not blaming anything on you mechanic friend.

I'm not trying to say you were i was just saying that sum1 who knew what they were doing put them in. Thats all. I tried to search for dyno sheets on the 232/232 vs. 240/248 but wasnt able. I'm just guessing people thought it gave you more power because the car feels like it moves faster but meanwhile it just changed the powerband a lot. I cant think of any other reason why people say you get more power. with s13 cams on an s14 motor. I'm happy with the cams and the powerband and I have proven my car is faster with less whp/tq.

[Bigvinnie]

I'm not trying to say you were i was just saying that sum1 who knew what they were doing put them in. Thats all. I tried to search for dyno sheets on the 232/232 vs. 240/248 but wasnt able. I'm just guessing people thought it gave you more power because the car feels like it moves faster but meanwhile it just changed the powerband a lot. I cant think of any other reason why people say you get more power. with s13 cams on an s14 motor. I'm happy with the cams and the powerband and I have proven my car is faster with less whp/tq.

Thats from the removal of the scv's why people use the 240/248 over the 232/232 on the s14ka's.. Naturally s14motors don't have scv's.

[93HATCH240]

Thats from the removal of the scv's why people use the 240/248 over the 232/232 on the s14ka's.. Naturally s14motors don't have scv's.

Idk if it matters but when i put the s14ka in I used the s13 dist. both pieces of the s13 intake manifold, The egr was blockoffed with a plate off ebay, and the what i call the ufo was removed. my s13 header with the egr welded shut and the canister was removed.