5 Star Shine Paint Protection Explained

[chadster]

Hi, Some have expressed interest/skepticism in the 5 Star product and I completely understand the skepticism. There is alot of garbage out there when it comes to waxes and cleaners. I wanted to create a thread to explain how 5 STAR SHINE works and not be annoying to those on other threads who aren't interested. (I apologize for posting on old threads, I'm learning how to do this)

Here is the basis as to why 5 Star is different and better than other products out there:

Car waxes don't provide the long term protection necessary to guard against UV rays, industrial fallout, acid rain, insects, etc.

Most car waxes are made from carnauba waxes and when wax gets hot - it melts, becomes sticky and starts attracting and holding dirt and pollutants to your car's paint - exactly what you don't want. If not reapplied constantly, Car waxes lose their protective qualities in a matter of weeks and if not reapplied constantly, your paint is exposed to the elements again. Waxing is not the answer for long term protection for you car. You want something that will repel dirt and contaminants instead of attract them.

5 STAR SHINE is not a car wax. In fact, it contains no waxes of any kind. Our patented PPS formula protects your paint with PTFE. (the same substance that makes nonstick cookware so slippery) You might be thinking that this is "just another teflon product that doesn't work"... Other teflon products don't work because teflon won't stick to paint because teflon is made to not stick to anything. 5 Star is the remedy to that problem and why we have the patent for it.

Here is how the 2 step process works: (we first recommend cleaning the paint surface with a clay bar such as Meguire's makes)

The protective composition comprises negatively charged polytetrafluoroethylene (hereinafter "PTFE") polymer resin particles, preferably in an aqueous dispersion in the form of a hydrophobic colloid with resin particles of about 0.05 to about 0.5 microns or larger in size.

Step 1. Before application of the protective composition, the painted or metal surface is positively charged with a polarizing solution composition that removes any trapped sediments and insolvents from the pores in the paint or metal surface and leaves the surface positively charged by virtue of using a cationic surfactant containing electropositive ions.

Step 2 Applying the PTFE. The molecules of PTFE resin, which are negatively charged, i.e. containing negative ions, are pulled down into the pores in the surface of the paint or metal in view of the electrostatic attraction between the negatively charged molecules and the positively charged surface. As the treated surface is allowed to cure in a warm environment, (24-48 hours anywhere) the PTFE resin molecules elongate, causing them to physically interlock themselves to each other and cover to protect the paint or metal surface.

The PTFE is inert to most harmful elements except halogen fluorene. In particular the action of ultra-violet and infra-red rays, photolysis, acidic and alkaline chemicals are resisted by the PTFE protective coating. 5 STAR SHINE therefore provides durability and resistance to the damaging effect of environmental elements, in combination with a very simple method of application.

Hopefully this symopsis gives a better explanantion than someone generically telling you "it works so amazing you won't believe it"Thanks for reading this thread post.

If you want more info go to http://www.5starshine.com If you would like to buy it, type 'vipdiscounts" in the customer code box at checkout for a $20 discount.

-Chad

If you have any other ?'s or comments just reply to this message thread and we'll go from there.

[Rockenreno]

This is a much better post than your previous replies. It gives everyone a good idea about what your product is and does. I am personally one of those skeptics when it comes to new car products, so I probably won't be a customer of yours unless I roll into a good deal of extra money or some people here try your product and determine it's worthy. I must say that the idea of just spraying the car clean instead of a full wash every time is very tempting though.

[chadster]

Quote »[ I am personally one of those skeptics when it comes to new car products, so I probably won't be a customer of yours unless I roll into a good deal of extra money or some people here try your product and determine it's worthy. I must say that the idea of just spraying the car clean instead of a full wash every time is very tempting though. [/quote]

I completely understand! There have been too many rip offs out there and I have been a victim myself ... Hopefully people that try it will post their findings here.

-Chad

[Mr1der]

Where's Fred, bet he'd have all kinds of good input for this.

Perhaps you could let him sample it, he'd let you know if it's a good blend as well as us.

[AZhitman]

I'll be glad to be the guinea pig.

I've tested 20+ products (you name it, I have a half-full container of it rotting in my garage). As you all know, I am a long-time Zaino believer. What Chad has here, is basically the same technology - And it's simply the best there is.

I would unequivocally recommend a product like this above ANY store-bought crap. The only question remaining is, is it really superior to Zaino? The answer? It doesn't HAVE to be - If we assume both products to be equal, the difference is that Chad has chosen to support NICO with his advertising. That's enough for me to buy his product.

[UncleBen]

Heh, :Werd I think I am going to pick some of this up. But, I of course want to hear about someone else using it first. I mean, I believe this stuff, but can you blame me?

[chadster]

Here are 2 pics of my car '94 Volvo 850 turbo wagon, original white paint (yeah sorry it's a Volvo) 155,000 milesI've had 5 Star on it for about 6 months. I just washed it with water and a wash mitt and dryed it. The roof and the right side.

[chadster]

other pic

[chadster]

U P D A T E !!! !!! U P D A T E !!!!!

Hey all, To continue to ease your skepticism and concern here's a link to a recent review of 5 star someone posted on another site with pics. I hope that some who decide to try it here at Nico can post as well.

http://www.srtforums.com/forum....html

-Chadhttp://www.5starshine.comuse customer code 'vipdiscounts' at checkout for a $20 discount.

[[Zero-S]]

I think I may be one of the people to try this...especially when I get my car repainted, I'd like to have it last.

[chadster]

Hey Rob, I hope that you decide to give us a try! If I can be helpful in any way please let me know. I hope we can earn your trust. Thanks-Chad

http://www.5starshine.comuse customer code 'vipdiscounts' at checkout for $20 off

[Cujo31]

Ok ... a couple points here on 5 Star.

1) QUOTE: "Superior protection compared to waxes" ** If you are NOT a wax then why are you comparing yourself to one? Of course you will have longer lasting protection! I think ANY detailer can tell you that.

2) QUOTE: "REPELS DAMAGING UV - UV Blocker helps maintain the shine by repelling ultraviolet rays." ** Umm that is what Clear Coat does as well as many sealants out there. So this is nothing new.

3) QUOTE: "5 STAR SHINE's PPS formula was tested for durability by an independent laboratory. (See Lab Report) The laboratory concluded that even 150 washes could not wash off 5 STAR SHINE's patented PPS coating. In fact, 5 STAR SHINE was still shining, beading water and protecting the surface while a brand name car wax had completely failed after only 25 washes!" ** This is just Teflon ... nothing big here. I have talked to and read other PRO Detailers say this really only lasts a year. That is pretty darn close to the Polymer and Acrylic based products out there already for a lot less.

4) QUOTE: "Maintenance free! No more waxing!" ** If this was really true do you honestly think us Detailers would have work anymore? Im sure this stuff is very nice and protects pretty good. But if it did exactly what it says more people would have it or used it.

5) QUOTE: "Lasts FAR LONGER and COSTS MUCH LESS than the paint protection packages sold by car dealers at time of closing!" ** True, but its still Teflon. I would love to be at the dealers and talk to the people about this crap. What a waste of money it is from the dealers. I can put a sealant on their paint that will last close to 9 months if taken care of properly for 100 bucks. That also includes minor scratch and swirl removing.

Also, if this stuff was only applied once I think Zaino, UPP, Klasse would all be out of biz dont you think? 2 step process ... lasts forever where you never need soap? Come on ... sorry but I just cant buy into that.

Cujo

[chadster]

Cujo, Welcome to the boards! I'm guessing that you signed up today and you are probably someone who details for a living. If so, I'm not trying to take any of your business. One thing though......I have found that I learn more when I listen and experience things as opposed to always give my opinion and criticize....

I'd like to comment on your issues.....................

1) QUOTE If you are NOT a wax then why are you comparing yourself to one? Of course you will have longer lasting protection! I think ANY detailer can tell you that.

Chad: Why compare something to a wax???.......... well that's what most people use on their cars and can relate to. There are different products such as 5 Star Shine that work better when used in the same way. Shouldn't people know about them?

I.E. Why would McDonald's compare their new vegi-burger to a regular hamburger unless they thought there was a significant positive point they were trying to make. They are merely offering an alternative product for those who like hamburgers but don't want the baggage that comes with them (a spare tire and double chin) There are still plenty of hamburgers and chicken sold every day. People have a CHOICE. But they will only know they have a choice if you give them options with information!

2) QUOTE: "REPELS DAMAGING UV - UV Blocker helps maintain the shine by repelling ultraviolet rays."** Umm that is what Clear Coat does as well as many sealants out there. So this is nothing new.

Chad: Umm, Did I ever say that UV protection was something new? Nope, I'm just emphasizing benefits. Should McDonald's NOT say that a vegi-burger has less fat than regular beef and that it's ok to eat if you are a vegetarian? Nothing new there, but it's good to emphasize the benefits of a product.

3) QUOTE: This is just Teflon ... nothing big here. I have talked to and read other PRO Detailers say this really only lasts a year. That is pretty darn close to the Polymer and Acrylic based products out there........

Chad: (sarcastically) So I guess if you "talk to other PRO detailers" then you all must know and have tried everything out there. I know many people who say they don't like sushi but they admit that they have never tried it. It seems to me Cujo that you fall into that category.

And yes, contrary to your opinion based on no experience, 5 Star Shine DOES last well more than 2 years which is 2,3,or 4 times longer than any polymer or acrylic based product out there. If you would try it you would see that YES, you can wash a treated car with just water and a mitt. It takes me less than 10 minutes to wash my 4runner.

4) QUOTE: "Maintenance free! No more waxing!"** If this was really true do you honestly think us Detailers would have work anymore? Im sure this stuff is very nice and protects pretty good. But if it did exactly what it says more people would have it or used it.

Chad: How can you say anything like that when you haven't even tried it? Our product actually would make your job as a detailer much easier and profitable because it would take less time for you to wash a treated car as I stated previously.

In days past due to inexperience, we all know doctors "cured" illness by bleeding people with leeches as well as whacked people in the middle of the back when they were choking. It's a good thing that research, testing and personal experience have shown that there are better alternatives!

You might also realize that Zaino and other brands out there, just like 5 Star, had a beginning too...... We all have to start somewhere.

5) QUOTE: "Lasts FAR LONGER and COSTS MUCH LESS than the paint protection packages sold by car dealers at time of closing!"** True, but its still Teflon. I would love to be at the dealers and talk to the people about this crap. What a waste of money it is from the dealers. I can put a sealant on their paint that will last close to 9 months if taken care of properly for 100 bucks. That also includes minor scratch and swirl removing.

Chad: What difference does it make if it is teflon or canola oil? My whole point is that it works better than anything out there and I wouldn't be wasting my time and effort in telling people about it if it didn't. Our product is NOT the kind of crap that gets put on at a dealer as you reference.

I can have a person apply 5 Star Shine on their own car THEMSELVES for $50 bucks (which is what people here can buy it for) All they need to do is wash their car for routine maintenenace. No re-waxing or re-sealing needed. And yes, 5 Star gets rid of minor scratches and swirl marks too.

So in closing Cujo, I have no problem with criticism. The most important thing I've learned before paying heed to criticism it is to first look for the motive of the one who is criticizing. Your motive obviously is to try discredit our product without any experience using it.

Many people don't try new things because they are stubborn or afraid of being wrong among many other things. You should try something before you criticize or at least admit that you don't know.

-Chadhttp://www.5starshine.comuse customer code 'vipdiscounts' at checkout for a $20 discount.

[Onizuka]

after i get my car painted ill be sure to try this out, i hate waxing...

[chadster]

Hey J-spec. Cool, thanks for giving us a try....Let me know if I can help in any way...-Chad

[Onizuka]

yeah well i figure, if im going to spend big bucks on a paintjob i might as well protect it right the first time :P

[chadster]

My sentiments exactly. My wife recently got a 4runner and we put it on it and I washed it today after a month and the dirt comes off like a dry erase maker. Just use a clay bar on your car to get all the contaminants off the paint before putting the 5 Star on it.....-Chad

[Cujo31]

Chad ... first, thanks for the welcome I will actually respond in the morning because I had a very long day detailing a clients 34' RV that was a mess. I also wanted to point out real quick that I am not putting your product down or saying it doesnt work. 5 Star just falls into the "Its too good to be true" type of product is all. And no it would not make my job better or make me more money. I dont know how you could even think that unless I charge them 300 bucks to apply it for them. If I charged I think you said 50 bucks, and your product does last as long as you say Im not going to see them for a few years. Detailers make money from repeat biz and from word of mouth. Anyway bro ... I will reply again in the morning when I have some coffee LOL.

Again, thanks for the welcome

Cujo

[chadster]

Hey Cujo, great. I appreciate the clarification on not putting our product down. I have gotten similar stock answers many times and I'm sure you would get frustrated too if someone knocks your business without trying it themselves....I think we understand each other better and can have open conversation.

I agree with you on the repeat business factor. My thought was this: Most people that are repeat business customers to a detailer don't wash or clean their cars themselves. If you used our product on repeat business customer cars you wouldn't need to spend the same amount of time on it in order to give it the 'just waxed' look which is what people are paying for in the end.

Yikes, that's a huge RV......My hands hurt just after doing a small car. I'd be crippled if I had to do the RV! Hopefully it wasn't sitting in storage for 6 months in some parking lot!Take Care,-Chad

[chadster]

I have gotten many comments on the use of teflon to protect paint etc. Most people's objection is that teflon doesn't stick to anything so our product would wear off really easily. 5 Star Shine is unique in that our system provides a way for teflon to 'stick' to the car.

We have a PATENT that remedies this issue. No other product claims what we claim because they can't. Here is a link to the US patent office that specifically explains our technology and reason for it being unique. Patents aren't easy to get because they must be very specific and unique to their field. Please look for yourself. It is technical but the basics can be understood with a quick read.

NOTE: Don't be confused, in the paragraph "BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION" it describes a DIFFERENT PATENT (4,284,668 ). 5 Star remedies and eliminates the "buffing" which can damage paint that the other patent needs in order to achieve effect. 5 Star Shine contains NO ABRASIVES.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...81171[/url]

-Chadhttp://www.5starshine.comget a $20 discountuse the customer code 'vipdiscounts'at checkout

[PalmerWMD]

As a degreed chemist ,I would like to say, that the chemistry of what Chad writes appears sound.

I will likely try it out when things get less hectic for me here.

Fred....

[AZhitman]

Cujo - I've gotta side with our guy Chad on this one. According to my (independent) research (personal conversations with the manufacturer of a competitor product), the 5star system is nearly IDENTICAL to that of its only close competitor (shall remain nameless, but you all know what I use).

The reasons more people don't use it is simple:

1) They're ignorant. Never checked the reviews by the NSX club, the Corvette Club, Rolls-Royce/Bentley Club, Arlen Ness' personal endorsement, and the Classic Jag Club.

2) They don't believe in spending $40-$100 on a paint protection system (poor idiots).

3) They believe the marketing hype of companies with bigger advertising budgets (i.e. Mother's, Turtle Wax, Meguiar's).

4) They've never SEEN the results of such a system in person.

I used to wax my car religiously every 3 months. After stripping all that CRAP off (and it was thick, sadly) and using the system that Chad refers to, I could SEE a visible (and VERY apparent) difference in the shine. Easier to apply and remove than ANY "wax" I've ever used, and with dramatic results.

You ARE correct that a "pro detailer" would lose $$ with these products, as customers would not return as often. I applied mine 6 months ago, and I STILL only have to ONLY rinse the car to return it to a showroom shine (I don't even use a mitt or a rag). The dirt/tar/birdpoop literally rinses right off. A dry terry cloth towel will NOT stay put on my hood - It slides off. My Q looks better than some of the NEW cars at our dealership - Think I'm kidding? Ask my manager, who drives an Ivory Pearl Quartz 03 M45 whose paint looks better... Shocking? You betcha.

However, most folks will continue to use their abrasive cleaners, and polishes loaded with solvents (and perfume to mask the stench), and silica-based coatings that dull the finish and don't last. I'll go with high-tech anyday.

[Cujo31]

Chad ...I can certainly understand getting frustrated about that. I think any of us would and do. I just wish I was able to post my link on each message board .. LOL Gotta support the family right?

Anyway, I can sort of see why you ( 5 Star ) would compare the protection and such to wax, but its really apples and oranges. You should really compare yourself to Klasse or Zaino. Does that make sense? I can see where you are going with your McDonalds point, BUT, you still left out the other companies that can give you a true run for your money. Polymers, acrylics, etc ... last much longer than any wax out there. If the Navy really uses nothing but 5 Star I would think you would have plenty of money to make a nice campaign to get the name out there.

I have actually tried Sushi and could not stand it... LOL I hate the smell of fish... haha But I will say that the product I comment on I have tried 9 out of 10 of them. I admit I have never tried 5 Star, but have tried Polymers, Acrylics, Teflons, other synthetics, semi synthetic ... well you see where I am going. My real point to my original post was that 5 Star sounds like one of those *miracle* products that end up being nothing. Im not saying your product is nothing, just telling it how I have seen the detailing world. Keep in mind that us detailers are VERY hard to impress with new product. We like to get our hands on it and see for ourselves. At one point I had a different product on each panel of my truck ... lol

I also still feel a pro detailer using 5 Star would lose money. To do just a wash isnt hardly gas these days. Now maybe a detailer using 5 Star on HIS/HER own vehicle would be fine. There are too many times when I go to a clients place and my truck looks like hell... lol I have 6 kids so I dont have all the time in the world to keep my truck up and everyone elses you know?

AZ ... I dont believe in spending 40-100 bucks on a bottle or 2 either The stuff I use and sell is 15 bucks a bottle for 16 oz and will last for a good 6-9 months depending on care. You said you were a huge Zaino fan ... have you honestly seen a HUGE difference between Zaino and 5 Star? You said they are nearly identical which is why I ask. Mothers, Megs are very well known because they have a product that works and has been road tested for many many years. Really the only thing wrong with carnauba wax is its durability. Other than that it is some great stuff. Some are a royal pain to use but others are very very easy. My whole line can be used in the sun like 5 Star and is so easy to take back off. Im sure 5 Star is the same way

Bottom line ... its all a personal choice as to what we use. Many use the name brands because they have been around for so long. My stuff has only been around for a year, so it will take time to overthrow Meguiars... LOL But we can because we have a killer product that is much easier than Megs or Mothers. Of course it doesnt get the protection of years, but thats ok.

After reading my original post I would like to apologize. I came off very aggressive towards 5 Star and Chad. That was not my intent, but to put a detailers opinion on here.

Chad ... next time you can come help me with an RV. Im only in Corona so we cant be too far from each other. It was sitting in the desert for a few years It was so bad that I couldnt bring the shine back too much because I was taking layers of paint But all in all it came out pretty nice. I started at 6 in the morning and stopped at almost 8 at nite because I didnt want to make a second return. I forgot the tops were fiber glass Man was I itchy afterwards.. lol

Take care guys and I hope Im still ok to post here. I know sometimes noobs are run out of town when they have a different opinion.

Cujo

[PalmerWMD]

We wont run you out of town Cujo.

Actually sympathies for Chad were running high after your first post.

I think I will buy his product.

Fred..

[szh]

I have not tried the 5 Star product, so I cannot comment on that. But I have used the Zaino product and it is simply amazing! If you want to see some pictures of an over 8 year old car that looks almost new, check out the pictures of my Q in this thread:

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....37053

If 5 Star does as as well as Zaino (and I have no reason not to believe that), then it should be a fine product too!

Z

[szh]

Greg (AZHitman),

Have you indeed switched to 5 Star and tried a direct comparison? Or are you still using the "other" product?

Z

[chadster]

No Problem Cujo. All is fine. Take Care.... I appreciate your apology.

-Chadhttp://www.5starshine.comUse customer code 'vipdiscounts'for $20 discount at checkout.

[AZhitman]

Greg (AZHitman),

Have you indeed switched to 5 Star and tried a direct comparison? Or are you still using the "other" product?

Z

No. But according to the inventor of the "other" product (still to remain nameless), it is the same basic chemical composition as Chad's.

Great stuff, and definitely 5star is far more economical.

Cujo - It's all good. I gotta give props to ANYONE who works as hard for a living as you do. (A WHOLE RV? damn....)

[Cujo31]

We wont run you out of town Cujo.

Actually sympathies for Chad were running high after your first post.

Fred..

LOL .. Im sure people saw that and thought .. ut ohh who is this guy challanging Chad? haha

Now if Chad can have ALL the RVs done with 5 Star or at least go out there with me to do some. I noticed he didnt even say anything about doing an RV with me... LOL

Time to get some work done ... talk to you all later.

Cujo

[magret]

I stumbled across this from another site and decided to post a little info about Teflon and PTFE:

Professional Carwashing & Detailing magazine, January, 1989, page 110.

"Dupont several years ago released a press statement about their trade mark product Teflon. In a nutshell, they said the Teflon added nothing to waxes or polishes as Teflon can and will onlybond to metal while heated to very high temps. Basically what they were doing was giving a disclaimer for all of the polished and waxes hitting the market making claim after claim about howsuperior their product was just because it was supposed to contain Teflon. This came out about the time the debacle about PTFE resins and the Slick 50 product that also turned out to be a big farce."

http://www.autoeducation.com/carcare/protect.htm :

There are also highly advertised Teflon based products on the market. It is my understanding that it requires a 600 plus degree environment to bond Teflon to your paint. So, unless you are applying it with a flamethrower, you may not be getting all you paid for.